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but they arent thousent working togheter, they are fused, as such, minds are fused as well
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About Damn Time - The Soul of Cinder vs The Moon Presence
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Your argument is flawed.
Thousands of minds fused into one would still be working together, and would be working together even better than those thousands would if they were not merged.
Thousands of minds fused into one would still be working together, and would be working together even better than those thousands would if they were not merged.
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but they would be one, and working together allows no immunity to mind manipulation, as shown by composite human, you should make a cr if you belive he has resictenceMonarch Laciel said:
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Anti-Spiral
"Resistance to Mind Manipulation (The collective consciousness behind the manifestation consists of the thousands of minds of the entire Anti-Spiral race)"
There, a precedent.
Unless the Moon Presence has shown the ability to mind hax thousands of people at once, it can't mind hax the SoC who is thousands of people at once. The MP has not to my knowledge shown the necessary scale of mind hax to affect the SoC
"Resistance to Mind Manipulation (The collective consciousness behind the manifestation consists of the thousands of minds of the entire Anti-Spiral race)"
There, a precedent.
Unless the Moon Presence has shown the ability to mind hax thousands of people at once, it can't mind hax the SoC who is thousands of people at once. The MP has not to my knowledge shown the necessary scale of mind hax to affect the SoC
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than do make a cr
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SoC and other bosses of the game can not be affected by Rapport(mind manip technique),maby it is game mechanics but i doubt that.
SoC for reasons above.
SoC for reasons above.
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It's unnecessary.
This isn't "SoC has a power"
It's "Moon Presence has not shown the necessary scale to affect something like SoC"
It's Moon Presence's inability, not SoC's ability.
This isn't "SoC has a power"
It's "Moon Presence has not shown the necessary scale to affect something like SoC"
It's Moon Presence's inability, not SoC's ability.
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its not as powerful as the moonpresence mind man. so its not that importantDzhindzholia said:
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the hunter is 4c with resistence to mind manipulation
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"its not as powerful as the moonpresence mind man. so its not that important"
So,why do think it is weaker?
So,why do think it is weaker?
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because it works on hunter, who is both more powerful than the enemies it affects and is resistent to mind manipulationDzhindzholia said:
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So what?It works on hunter that means his resistance is not that good,but ashen one in his peak(4B) can not affect SoC with that spell,but can easily affect multiple other enemies at once.
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do said targets have recisrance rrto mindd maipulation? number of targets doesent affect powerDzhindzholia said:
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Ashen one can affect hollows(without mind and soul) and even souls,silver knight are just souls inside the armor and you can affect them.
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hollows dont have a will to fight its controll, they do have minds though, it broken , but they are pure instincsts, which comes from minds, and silver knights have minds, so your point is mootDzhindzholia said:
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this should be addedTherefir said:
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than it should be closedTherefir said:
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i hope the tier 4 changes won't afffect this battle too much
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it will. cinder is the tier he is dou to beings that are capable of affecting the sun (he would be 4c, probably high, but the 4b will be probably removed)Overlord775 said:
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Was the Moon Presence's flight ever taken into consideration here? Just wondering
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The Moon Presence is barely weak to electricity
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It is weak to it, however. It is an attack advantage. It has the range to hit Moon Presence as well.
As for SoC being High 4-C, 4-B, it is almost undeniably at least High 4-C. It contains the souls of beings that powered the sun for literally hundreds of thousands of years (at least 9 Lords of Cinder plus an uncountable amount of others; for reference, each Lord likely lasts at least thousands of years on their own, as Gwyn did this, and the Chosen Undead was superior to Gwyn as he defeated him, etc etc)
As for SoC being High 4-C, 4-B, it is almost undeniably at least High 4-C. It contains the souls of beings that powered the sun for literally hundreds of thousands of years (at least 9 Lords of Cinder plus an uncountable amount of others; for reference, each Lord likely lasts at least thousands of years on their own, as Gwyn did this, and the Chosen Undead was superior to Gwyn as he defeated him, etc etc)
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I mean, that's better reasoning, but still. It's fused into one being, ergo, one mind. And again, regardless of lore details, on this website, Soul of Cinder is treated as a single character, like any other character, with a list of abilities. Resistance to Mind Manipulation is not an ability I see listed on his profile. Ergo, he doesn't have it. If there's an argument to be made that he should have it, then a CR for him should be made. Otherwise, he doesn't have it.Monarch Laciel said:
But if his profile does get updated to have it, then that begs the question. Would Moon Presence even have to hax all of SoC's minds? What if he just haxxed the Lords of Cinder part of him which is only a small handful of beings?
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If the SoS is an amalgimaton of minds then the MP's mind hax would still work
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Even fodder Great Ones can mind hax a city worth of people
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Well this changes things.
Do go on, in great detail if you please.
Do go on, in great detail if you please.
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not really, as they have no experience fighting with ,and manipulation and there is no reason to belive that are capable of helping each otherTherefir said:
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The One Reborn is an entire city's worth of people meged into a single entity, but it was still affected by the Great Ones' hind haxTherefir said:
