About 2-C and higher tiers

[Omegas03]

If to destroy for example 2 universes your power has to reach a certain unquantifiable distance, isn't that just range? For example what would happen if someone who is 2x Baseline Low 2-C has 2-C range? Sorry for the stupid question, but it just came to mind. Beerus and Champa feat was argued to be Low 2-C with 2-C range.

Second, why doesn't a infinite multiplier for 2-C make you 2-B or 2-A? The unquantifiable distance has already been reached so being stuck at 2 universes even if you apply a multiplier seems stupid to me.

On another note, there was a suggested change on merging 2-C and 2-B tiers, with making Uncountable Universes such as Heroes the new 2-B, what happened to it? lol. That or making 2-C universal+ and 2-B 2 to any non infinite amount of universes.

 

[Tago238]

wait I thought an infinite multiplier to a 2-C did make it 2-A, I guess I'm following the

 

[AKM sama]

For the first, characters can have greater range but still lack power to destroy that many universes. For example, a character can have a range encompassing 100 universes but could still have AP ranging from 3-C to Low 2-C. To be 2-C, the individual character should have the AP/feat of destroying at least 2 universes.

For the second, it was mainly discussed in this thread so you can check it out:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1682972

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Is it possible to get 2-A through stat amp if there is sufficient evidence for a 2-A scaling chain?

 

[Ugarik]

I agree with the first point.

Let's say we have 2 baseline Low 2-C characters with equal AP. If both of them destroy 1 universe in the same time the total number of destroied universes would be 2 which is 2-C. And abviously the combined power of their attacks is 2 times Low 2-C baseline.

Another example. Any baseline Low 2-C character can destroy 2 universes with 2 attack which is 2-C over time. The total power of his attacks is 2 times Low 2-C baselineand if he becomes twice as strong he may lack the range to destroy 2 universes at once but his total power should be at 2-C level.

I'm not saying that we should rate Tier 2 characters by multipliers but we shouldn't treat difference between two Tier 2 subtiers as unquantifiable

 

[Ugarik]

Anyway my standart for "unquantifiable difference" is "the feat can not be performed by a lower tier character over time/with multiple attacks".

For example l: the difderence between High 3-A and Low 2-C is unquantifiable because a High 3-A character can never destroy a space-time universe.

The difference between Low 2-C and 2-B is NOT unquantifiable because a Low 2-C CAN destroy a multiverse with multiple attacks

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Anyway my standart for "unquantifiable difference" is "the feat can not be performed by a lower tier character over time/with multiple attacks".
For example l: the difderence between High 3-A and Low 2-C is unquantifiable because a High 3-A character can never destroy a space-time universe.

Isn't the difference between High 3-A and Low 2-C is literally uncountably infinite because 4D is uncountably infinitly superior to infinite 3D power?

 

[Ugarik]

I don't think it works like that

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I don't think it works like that

Sorry to derail but your profile picture ****** me up

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Weird question, and idk if this is the place to ask, but what if someone has above baseline Low 2-C AP with 2-A range. Why wouldn't it be an AP feat if baseline Low 2-c is enough to destroy 1 timeline, but the guy has 2-A range with a low 2-C attack...? The amount of power needed to destroy more timelines shouldn't increase the further from the epicenter should it?

 

[AKM sama]

The difference between Low 2-C and 2-B is NOT unquantifiable because a Low 2-C CAN destroy a multiverse with multiple attacks

Characters are rated on the basis of what they can destroy in a single attack, not multiple attacks.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Characters are rated on the basis of what they can destroy in a single attack, not multiple attacks.

I don't think that Ugarik was implying that. He just wrote that he doesn't think that the difference between Low 2-C and 2-B is unquantifiable.

 

[Ugarik]

The word "unquantifiable" means impossible to express or measured in terms of quantity. While it's true that tier 2 AP can't be measured in terms of real world units such as joules it still can be measured as the number of Low 2-C attacks

 

[Nehz_XZX]

The word "unquantifiable" means impossible to express or measured in terms of quantity. While it's true that tier 2 AP can't be measured in terms of real world units such as joules it still can be measured as the number of Low 2-C attacks

So you think that the number of universes a character can destroy in one attack is equal to the number of times they are superior to Low 2-C?

 

[Ugarik]

2-C character can destroy 5 universes in 1 one attack. Low 2-C character needs 5 attacks to do the same. Therefore 2-C's attacks are 5 times stronger (I hope I don't need to explain why inverce square low doesn't work here)

I still agains the idea of rating tier 2 characters by multpiers, the difference between those tiers should not be treated as unquantifiable. Some people are siriously claiming that characters from DBS are beyond infinitlly stronger that other Low 2-C because they are scaled from two dudes who can destroy two universes together

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Destroying 2 solar systems witb two attack = / = Destroying 2 solar systems in one blast. Same applies to Galaxies, and the same should probably apply to universes too.

 

[AKM sama]

It does. Destroying 2 universes is not double of what's needed to destroy one. A Low 2-C character CAN destroy 2 universes in 2 attacks, but a 2x Low 2-C character doesn't necessarily destroy 2 universes in one attack. Simple math doesn't apply here, it's completely unquantifiable and should be only judged by feats.

 

[Ugarik]

Destroying 2 solar systems witb two attack = / = Destroying 2 solar systems in one blast. Same applies to Galaxies, and the same should probably apply to universes too.

No, in tier 3 despite the name Multi-Galaxy level we do not rate them based on the amount of galaxies they can destroy with a single attack. We base it on inverse square law. A charater can get Multi-Galaxy rating even by destroing a single galaxy 2.5 billion light years away from them. Just like can they ramain Galaxy level even after destroying hundreds of Galaxies if they are close enough together. Multi-Galaxy level is just a name.

In tier 2 on the other hand all we care about is the number of universes. We do not care how far away from a character in question there are neither do we care about their location in relation to each other. Destroing 10 universes is automaticaly 2-C and no character can get 2-C rating from destoying just one.

 

[Ben_CleverName]

For the first, characters can have greater range but still lack power to destroy that many universes. For example, a character can have a range encompassing 100 universes but could still have AP ranging from 3-C to Low 2-C. To be 2-C, the individual character should have the AP/feat of destroying at least 2 universes.
For the second, it was mainly discussed in this thread so you can check it out:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1682972

That brings up a question that's been on my mind lately: If a Low 2-C character is given an AP boost of 100,000x does that make them count as 2-B or still Low 2-C?

And yes, I'm asking because of Wizard101.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Low 2-C. @Ben

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with AKM sama.