A triangle fights a purple God of Destruction

[Paul_Frank]

@Paulo

He has never been willing to kill before though that's why he didn't use hakai aura. It has nothing to do with being serious

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Bill FRA

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The reason he never used Hakai aura is because it is out of character for him, simple as that. Not that it matter that much, even if he did use Hakai aura, Bill still just snaps.

 

[Paul_Frank]

@proud

He does not want to kill Champa. He actually likes him as shown when he used his wish to restore universe 6's earth

Also im 99% sure that GoD's can't hakai eachother anyway

 

[ZeedKZ]

Guys, Bill won, and both are in character :v

 

[Paul_Frank]

The reason he never used Hakai aura is because it is out of character for him, simple as that. Not that it matter that much, even if he did use Hakai aura, Bill still just snaps.

It's out of character precisely because he has never wanted to kill his opponent. Sba takes care of that

If beerus shoots off a hakai even if bill puts him to sleep, which from what that video showed is all that happens when he snaps, ge still gets hakai'd

 

[ProudLearner]

@Paul Frank

Fair Enough.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Being willing to kill makes so the characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual; the only difference is that if the character has a no killing rule, that gets ignored for the sake of the fight.

Basically, if Beerus doesn't use Hakai aura in character, that's a flaw, and that stays, being willing to kill has nothing to do with stuff like this, because he will use the same strategies he uses normally.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Being willing to kill makes so the characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual; the only difference is that if the character has a no killing rule, that gets ignored for the sake of the fight.

Basically, if Beerus doesn't use Hakai aura in character, that's a flaw, and that stays, being willing to kill has nothing to do with stuff like this, because he will use the same strategies he uses normally.

Again he didn't use hakai aura because he didn't want to kill anyone he fought. This is not because of some character flaw like going easy on people it's because he literally only fought Goku, who he wanted to get stronger and Champa, who is his brother and possibly unable to be erased by hkm

 

[JooCipher]

Beerus doesn't start with Hakai from what I remember so yea

Bill snaps

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

If he doesn't use something in character, then he doesn't use something in character, and that's about i, and therefore, he won't use it here, and that's about it, and if you don't agree, then go get a scan of him using it.

Being willing to kill is not an excuse to act out of character, you're thinking of bloodlust, which is a different thing.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Beerus hakai'd the only person he was willing to kill instantly

Sba means willing to kill so he will use the strategy he used on Zamasu, who was the only character he was willing to kill

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Him not using it is a flaw in his character, and the flaws stay. Pretty simple. Also, we're not talking about Hakai, we're talking about aura.

 

[Paul_Frank]

@paulo

You're not understanding

He has never used hakai aura in character because no one he's fought he has wanted to kill. Sba means willing to kill and as shown against Zamasu, when he's willing to kill he erases as fast as possible. He didn't dven fight Zamasu he executed him and clearly didn't want to erase goku who was also near him or the ground of the planet so he used hakai instead of an aura

 

[ProudLearner]

Assumming Beerus have not had his meal for years and is a really bad mood. Then, goes to search for food on a distant planet. Does not find anything but Bill Cipher. He assums Bill Cipher at all the food from the planet. Proceeds to hakai Bill.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

He doesn't want to kill here, he is just willing to (willing means being ready to do so if necessary, wanting means actually desiring to do so, two different things). Plus you still need to show that Beerus would use Hakai aura if he wanted to kill. Plusx2, trying to drag out the fight as much as possible is listed as one of Beerus' weaknesses, and as I've said before, SBA doesn't remove the weakenesses. Plusx3, even if he did use Hakai aura, that doesn't change anything, since Bill still just snaps.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Since Beerus is willing to kill here unlike in any fight he had canonically

Beerus hakais because pointing his palm towards Bill's direction is faster than lifting your hand and snapping

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yeah, it is unlike any fight he had canonically, and in cases like this, where we don't know how he would act, we just assume he acts in the same way he normally does.

 

[BlackPAIN99]

Is Bill really as arrogant as I've heard of some? If so, Beerus will be annoyed very quickly and just erase him without playing around.

 

[ProudLearner]

He doesn't want to kill here, he is just willing to (willing means being ready to do so if necessary, wanting means actually desiring to do so, two different things). Plus you still need to show that Beerus would use Hakai aura if he wanted to kill. Plusx2, trying to drag out the fight as much as possible is listed as one of Beerus' weaknesses, and as I've said before, SBA doesn't remove the weakenesses. Plusx3, even if he did use Hakai aura, that doesn't change anything, since Bill still just snaps.

If is someone like the SSG he dream about then yeah! He did not used 100% of his power in that fight.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yeah, he did not use 100% of his power in that fight, or in any fight he had so far, and therefore, he won't here, since that's what he does in character.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Yeah, it is unlike any fight he had canonically, and in cases like this, where we don't know how he would act, we just assume he acts in the same way he normally does.

The thing is that we do know how Beerus acts when he's willing to kill someone thanks to Zamasu.

Since by sba he is willing to kill here too he hakais

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The thing is that we do know how Beerus acts when he's willing to kill someone thanks to Zamasu.

Since by sba he is willing to kill here too he hakais

We're not talking about Hakai, we're talking about aura.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Also, the Zamasu fight wasn't willing to kill, it was wanting to kill.

 

[ProudLearner]

Yeah, he did not use 100% of his power in that fight, or in any fight he had so far, and therefore, he won't here, since that's what he does in character.

Since he knows BIll Cipher is a threat he will hakai him . Just like Zamasu.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

He doesn't know he's a threat. Also, we're not talking about Hakai, we're talking about aura.

 

[Paul_Frank]

If it wasn't clear I vote Beerus do to being willing to kill and lifting his palm being faster than bill lifting his hand and snapping

 

[ProudLearner]

All the chracters that Bill Cipher used his power on are weak. Has Bill done it on characters equal to him.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Being strong doesn't grant resistance to hax.

 

[JooCipher]

Bill can also petrify Beerus(he does that mostly via staring)

he can also use telekinesis, teleport, desitegrate....

 

[Paul_Frank]

Seeing as not everyone Bill has looked at has been petrified it's clearly something he has to willingly use and since his snap is his first move according to you guys he gets hakai'd


Also since all the votes were based on Bill lifting his hand and snapping being faster than hakai, which is incorrect, the votes are kinda incorrect

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Also, it's worth noting Beerus has a decent scaling chain, while Bill is pretty baseline, so it's unlikely Beerus will take him that seriously once he senses his Chi.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Guys, Bill Cipher already won this.

 

[ProudLearner]

Being strong doesn't grant resistance to hax.

That is not what I said.

Has Bill use his powers on someone equal to him? Have he use his hax on chracter with no resistance to them.

Also, how far is Bill Cipher to Low-2C?

Beerus and Champ are almost equals.

My vote will be on Beerus.

 

[ZeedKZ]

If it wasn't clear I vote Beerus do to being willing to kill and lifting his palm being faster than bill lifting his hand and snapping

Read the OP, Speed equalized, no palm being faster here

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

That is not what I said.

Has Bill use his powers on someone equal to him? Have he use his hax on chracter with no resistance to them.

Also, how far is Bill Cipher to Low-2C?

Beerus and Champ are almost equals.

My vote will be on Beerus.

Yes, it is.

No, and he doesn't need to, since power has nothing to do with resisting hax, like, at all.

Baseline.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Guys, Bill Cipher already won this.

The point of 24 hour grace is so someone can come in and debunk the votes if possible

@paulo

He also didn't take Zamasu serious and still hakai'd so

Also as I said Bill's transmutation is notably slower than Beerus pointing his palm in Bill's direction so the votes are invalid

 

[TheArsenal1212]

I just done see how Beerus hakai's instantly. Beerus has zero resistance to Bill's transmutation or petrification and only hakais once he's annoyed, and rarely ever hakais first. Whereas it's Bill's opening move

 

[Paul_Frank]

Read the OP, Speed equalized, no palm being faster here

Speed equal does not change the fact that palm is one motion as opposed to two

 

[JooCipher]

he is not baseline since all of his low 2-C feats are super casual

but Bill can also just point at Beerus and flash him out(since he didn't blast time baby away, he simply pointed at him and unlished a bright flash the desistegrated the thing)