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The title says it all.
Angel Arm Ba
Speed equal.
Ban has divine design cards.
Otherwise SBA.
The title says it all.
Angel Arm Ba
Speed equal.
Ban has divine design cards.
Otherwise SBA.
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Resistance to law, fate and prob negg "i can't lose" pretty hard considering that we treat GB as baseline 2-A until we get actual proof, whereas Dante is pretty freaking high into 2-A. And resistance to info manip negs logic hax.TartaChocholate said:But can Dante surpass Ban's logic of "I can't lose" and avoid getting logic haxed?
With that AP diference...yeah, more than likely.ShadowWarrior1999 said:Dante murderstomps.
AP can be covered. Resistances won't work against Jagan or Turning Circle.ShadowWarrior1999 said:That AP + resistances, Ban can't do jack.
I'm pretty sure that should only be classified as mind hax or perception ManipulationFirephoenixearl said:1. Jagan isn't mind manip, so that makes the resistance useless. If you've ever checked a Ban fight you'll see that people with 8D resistances like Lucetta couldn't resist the Jagan and same for Enlil with his High 1-B stuff. Jagan works by creating showing the other person another world. If the other person believes it (which Dante will) he's screwed (easy as that), Ban will be able to do anything he wants and Dante will be unable to resist it's effects as he's inducing his effects on himself.
What does this have to do with Dante being an entire temporal dimension above Ban?Firephoenixearl said:We have already classified it. It's reality warping. It creates a virtual world so that it can fool you.
Well considering how gross GetBackers gets with "Above space and time" in the manga i wouldn't say that. (stuff like he goes back to his old self so much so that he doesn't consider the past past, and like literally a whole arc full of claims of time and space transcendence).RebubleUselet said:Wait, isnt' Ban 3-D or something? Pretty sure he won't even see Dante.
It does though.Firephoenixearl said:Also Dante being 4D doesn't somehow stop him from looking into Ban's eyes.
Considering he fought Demi-Fiend & plenty of other demons, I don't think so.Kaltias said:I'm 90% sure that Dante is physically 3-D
Nah, not really, Dante can still see Ban, that's enough to trigger the Jagan. Ban's powers are still 4D so it doesn't rly help.RebubleUselet said:It does though.
Also, if Ban is actually 4-D, then he should be Immeasurable in speed.
Well, normally he wouldn't see him. But considering the author threw that out of the window, idkFirephoenixearl said:Nah, not really, Dante can still see Ban, that's enough to trigger the Jagan. Ban's powers are still 4D so it doesn't rly help.
Let's just say stuff like that was...dismissed cus the author didn't seem to know what he was talking about. Can we just keep it at that?
That doesn't make him 4-D. It makes him 2-A.RebubleUselet said:Considering he fought Demi-Fiend & plenty of other demons, I don't think so.
Then why is he Immeasurable in speed?Kaltias said:That doesn't make him 4-D. It makes him 2-A.
Immesurable doesn't always mean 4D. You can be immesurable without being 4D.RebubleUselet said:Then why is he Immeasurable in speed?
Didn't know that. Although, Thor's file says this:Firephoenixearl said:Immesurable doesn't always mean 4D. You can be immesurable without being 4D.
Welp, moot point then.RebubleUselet said:Well, normally he wouldn't see him. But considering the author threw that out of the window, idk
That's thor, yeah beyond time would be 4D, what's your point? This is Dante.RebubleUselet said:Didn't know that. Although, Thor's file says this:Firephoenixearl said:Immesurable doesn't always mean 4D. You can be immesurable without being 4D.
(As a powerful demon god, Thor is beyond time and physics altogether, and is superior to Loki)
Pretty sure this implies he's 4-D
And you fight Thor literally right before Dante in Nocturne.Firephoenixearl said:That's thor, yeah beyond time would be 4D, what's your point? This is Dante.
Doesn't mean anything. Dante can have higher 2-A potency while still being 3D and immesurable. So it's not exactly scalable.RebubleUselet said:And you fight Thor literally right before Dante in Nocturne.
What are you talking about? If Hito fought Thor, who's 4-D, and Dante battled Hito right after that, doesn't it mean that Dante should be 4-D as well?Firephoenixearl said:Doesn't mean anything. Dante can have higher 2-A potency while still being 3D and immesurable. So it's not exactly scalable.
No, as i said. Dante can be 3D but have 2-A AP. 2-A AP will allow him to fight and destroy Hito who just destroyed a 4D character. Doesn't mean Dante scales in dimensions, he only scales in AP, but dimensions don't scale to AP (AP scales to dimensions only, not vice versa).RebubleUselet said:What are you talking about? If Hito fought Thor, who's 4-D, and Dante battled Hito right after that, doesn't it mean that Dante should be 4-D as well?
Dante wouldn't be able to percieve Hito if he was 3-D though. That makes no sense.Firephoenixearl said:No, as i said. Dante can be 3D but have 2-A AP. 2-A AP will allow him to fight and destroy Hito who just destroyed a 4D character. Doesn't mean Dante scales in dimensions, he only scales in AP, but dimensions don't scale to AP (AP scales to dimensions only, not vice versa).
It's possible, but not necessarily true. And like I said, that makes little to no sense.Kaltias said:It's absolutely possible for Dante to be 3-D while being 2-A
Wasn't this established in SMT4?Kaltias said:You could say the same of a human killing higher dimensional beings, but SMT is quite literally built around that.
And I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that a character who's 3-D physically cannot interact with a 4-D character.Kaltias said:I'm not even saying that he is necessarily 3-D. I'm just saying that "he is stronger than someone who is 4-D" isn't proof of being 4-D, it's like saying that all the tier 2 people in Dragon Ball are 4-D because they are stronger than a 4-D