- 5,879
- 1,072
You finna add them soon?
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Minor Shin Megami Tensei Revisions
- Thread starter Ultima_Reality
- Start date
- Status
- 15,999
- 6,003
SMT II involved the Four Archangels constructing a false YHVH from Observation.
Inanna manipulates Mitra’s form in IVFINAL.
Every single deity in Persona manipulates Observation.
I’m not understanding why you’re choosing to remember some parts of the lore, and ignoring others. Ultima has already agreed upon it, and IVFINAL interviews & IVFINAL itself explicitly show some Demons are capable of manipulating their form.
- 506
- 170
How exactly i'am ignoring if i blatant said my comment based on what i know and asked examples because i knew i could be wrong
In any case Appreciate the examples.
I just want your proposals to be clear for others, because i find ridiculous anyone suggesting ''this is X'' without any backing up, have in mind that i using myself to bait out information, not that i disagree or just trying to stonewall the thread.
- 15,999
- 6,003
It’s pretty straightforward, it should be fine to apply at this point.
- 167,862
- 76,484
@Edwellken @CrimsonStarFallen @Solacis @Yobo_Blue @Yvel_Atsly @MagiSinbad @Amelia_Lonelyheart @Yomi_Schwarz @Aridwolverine @Dragonmasterxyz @Scottycj256 @MarvelFanatic119 @Ionliosite @The_Divine_Phoenix @Bernkastelll @HST_Master @The_real_cal_howard @Super_Saiyan_God_Julian
What do you think about this?
What do you think about this?
Scottycj256
He/Him- 1,770
- 924
I'm fine with it
- 167,862
- 76,484
If we do not get any more replies soon, you are probably correct.
- 15,999
- 6,003
This can be applied now, it’s been several days.
- 5,879
- 1,072
Can you list the profiles that need to be unlocked or need to be edited?
- 167,862
- 76,484
- 15,999
- 6,003
Me & Ultima have it covered. Will be done by the end of the day.
- 219
- 110
You and your crew worked super hard Milly, thank you for all you have done not for just the VS debating community but for the SMT community as a whole! Great job!
- 1,716
- 855
- 32,359
- 20,298
This probably isn't Precognition considering how in SMT Dx2, we get a lot of insight into how the precognition of another Goetia Demon - namely Astaroth - actually works.
- 1,716
- 855
I see, wouldn't this be Clairvoyance then? Astaroth's works on looking both the past and the future, Eligor is looking into the future only.
- 1,716
- 855
Also the fact that is says he has the power to see things to come sounds blatantly like Precog. Just because how one Demon uses a power doesn't mean they work the same way for all of them.
Examples being Nebiros and Bifrons of the Goetia. Both can control souls but Nebiros is stated to the best soul controller of Hell. Then the case with Eligor and Astaroth can be a similar case. Astaroth seeing long reaching events and the past while Eligor looks into the movements of the enemy.
Examples being Nebiros and Bifrons of the Goetia. Both can control souls but Nebiros is stated to the best soul controller of Hell. Then the case with Eligor and Astaroth can be a similar case. Astaroth seeing long reaching events and the past while Eligor looks into the movements of the enemy.
Last edited:
- 5,879
- 1,072
Still precog. Don't see how it applies to EligorThis probably isn't Precognition considering how in SMT Dx2, we get a lot of insight into how the precognition of another Goetia Demon - namely Astaroth - actually works.
No resistance here. Also sounds like time to downgrade the whole verse, no more acausality
- 15,999
- 6,003
Go make a CRT, then.
- 1,716
- 855
Not really no. Type 4 Acausality gives Resistance, not Immunity to Precognition.
- 5,879
- 1,072
I know, I was joking lol
- 1,716
- 855
It's hard to tell sometimes when reading something.
- 219
- 110
is it ok if i ask for a source behind adam kadmons relation with the tree of life/ knowledge?
- 15,999
- 6,003
His literal existence.
- 219
- 110
Is it stated anywhere in the game or anywhere that he transcends the Tree of Life, YHVH's universe, Monado Mondala etc etc?
- 5,879
- 1,072
Maybe, but a Jack Frost from SMT III >>>>>
- 15,999
- 6,003
Again, his literal existence.
- 167,862
- 76,484
- 15,999
- 6,003
Waiting on Ultima to finish up Lucifer.
- 219
- 110
But on the Megami Tensei wiki page for Adam, it says he was created by YHVH. If this is the case, is there any scans claiming he transcended past the Tree of Life, YHVH's Universe, and the Monado Mondala?
Adam Kadmon
Adam Kadmon is a Persona in Persona 5 Royal. Adam Kadmon (meaning "Primordial Man") is the original concept of man in the teachings of Kabbalah, untainted by earthly matter. He was the perfect prototype man made by Ein Sof, with the Kabbalists taking this concept to describe the divine symbolism...
megamitensei.fandom.com
- 177
- 85
There is a distinct difference between "Adam" and "Adam Kadmon". Adam Kadmon is spawned from the Ein Sof, which we equate to the Great Reason.But on the Megami Tensei wiki page for Adam, it says he was created by YHVH. If this is the case, is there any scans claiming he transcended past the Tree of Life, YHVH's Universe, and the Monado Mondala?
Adam Kadmon
Adam Kadmon is a Persona in Persona 5 Royal. Adam Kadmon (meaning "Primordial Man") is the original concept of man in the teachings of Kabbalah, untainted by earthly matter. He was the perfect prototype man made by Ein Sof, with the Kabbalists taking this concept to describe the divine symbolism...
- 219
- 110
I see, so powerscaling SMT requires both knowledge of the game franchise and religion itself, which we use to fill in the blanks?
- 219
- 110
IDK if this is relevant or not but it could possibly debunk the whole "personas can only be used in the metaverse" argument
first of all, if my memory doesnt fail me, i recall that it isnt said that they couldnt use their personas in the real world, but that they could only use it in the mementos. while it basically means "real world", it also means they cant use it anywhere else but the mementos.
people can argue the only reason joker could summon his persona in the velvet room when nearly killed is because the velvet room was absorbed into mementos by yaldabaoth taking it over. however, other than that, the velvet room has no connection to the metaverse at all from my knowledge. so after the velvet room is saved with the defeat of yaldabaoth, it has no connection to the metaverse, so therefore personas cant be used in the velvet room if we are to believe that personas are only restricted to the metaverse. however, if that is true, how is it that joker is somehow able to battle lavenza in the velvet room? if it is detached from the metaverse, wouldnt that mean they cant use their personas? maybe its game mechanics and idk if optional bosses are not considered for scaling (if so, i personally feel like this is an exception as it is heavily encouraged) but IDK i am still a newbie at all this so I hope this doesnt come off stupid.
first of all, if my memory doesnt fail me, i recall that it isnt said that they couldnt use their personas in the real world, but that they could only use it in the mementos. while it basically means "real world", it also means they cant use it anywhere else but the mementos.
people can argue the only reason joker could summon his persona in the velvet room when nearly killed is because the velvet room was absorbed into mementos by yaldabaoth taking it over. however, other than that, the velvet room has no connection to the metaverse at all from my knowledge. so after the velvet room is saved with the defeat of yaldabaoth, it has no connection to the metaverse, so therefore personas cant be used in the velvet room if we are to believe that personas are only restricted to the metaverse. however, if that is true, how is it that joker is somehow able to battle lavenza in the velvet room? if it is detached from the metaverse, wouldnt that mean they cant use their personas? maybe its game mechanics and idk if optional bosses are not considered for scaling (if so, i personally feel like this is an exception as it is heavily encouraged) but IDK i am still a newbie at all this so I hope this doesnt come off stupid.
Last edited:
- 1,716
- 855
Pretty sure it was Persona 3 that clarified it is possible to summon a Persona in the real world, it just takes considerable effort on the user.
- 219
- 110
i know, but just curious, do we have any other info that implies this is also the case with p4 and p5?
- Status
Similar threads
