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Ahh so arceus is "existance", now i disagree for giving him NEP 2Heart
"When there was nothing else in the world, the Heart was in the middle of a swell of chaos. In this heart, everything was one, time, space, every being were a single existence. After the Heart gained awareness, the world was shaped. It's a single heart that exists beyond time and space and Arceus is its direct manifestation. After creation every being has its own heart, but they are still the same being when looking at the highest level."
Ahh this not gonna work. You must have the blantanly statement that says it "nonduality/onesess" or very corresponding to itThe meaning of Non-duality :
Non-duality is the recognition that underlying the multiplicity and diversity of experience there is a single, infinite and indivisible reality, whose nature is pure consciousness, from which all objects and selves derive their apparently independent existence
Which fits exactly with Arceus Nature as described earlier.
This fits with Transduality Type 3" NonDuality". TD 2 for characters who're not tier 1A
Taiji. So basically the distinction between self and other does not exist. Everyone comes from him, and everyone is him. But he is NonDual by nature.
So I propose the changes here
Transduality Type 2(Due to his True Nature of NonDuality )
No. The multiverse didn't exist, because of his state of one. "Exist" and "Nonexistence" didn't exist. It's a formless void devoid of seperation . Wuji in Chinese Mythology. Arceus is straight up Taiji. In that he exist in a state of indifference or nonSeperationAhh so arceus is "existance", now i disagree for giving him NEP 2
That's false. NonDuality or being in state indistinct between subject and other is Type 2. Check Cognitive Physiology from SMT or any description of Non-duality. NonDuality means "Not two". That's all you needAhh this not gonna work. You must have the blantanly statement that says it "nonduality/onesess" or very corresponding to it
Again, being in a state where the distinction between self and other doesn't exist is NonDuality. That's straight up type two.And it not says beyond all duality system, so no
Try using this page every now and then to properly keep track please:Got unsubbed from this thread for some reason
Bro like i says you must have blantanly statement about it. "One" is not mean not existNo. The multiverse didn't exist, because of his state of one. "Exist" and "Nonexistence" didn't exist. It's a formless void devoid of seperation . Wuji in Chinese Mythology. Arceus is straight up Taiji. In that he exist in a state of indifference or nonSeperation
That's false. NonDuality or being in state indistinct between subject and other is Type 2. Check Cognitive Physiology from SMT or any description of Non-duality. NonDuality means "Not two". That's all you need
Not every onesses is nonduality, they have to proof that they's onesses is include the dualityAgain, being in a state where the distinction between self and other doesn't exist is NonDuality. That's straight up type two.
Transduality is a bit different in that you'll need to be mentioned the kind of Duality in your reality you're outside of. Which is why in Anos case, we didn't give him immunity to anything and everything.
Non Duality doesn't require that.
Giratina embodies the concept Nonexistence, he didn't exist at the time, Dialga and Palkia embody the concept of time and space. They didn't exist. Why? Because within Arceus that distinction wasn't there. It mixed, formless, OneBro like i says you must have blantanly statement about it. "One" is not mean not exist
And that's false. Reason why Taiji get type 3 is because of the lack of seperation of any kind.I says it "onesess" because you give taiji for example. Taiji is onesess before duality, yes, but it doesn't mean every that state as one before creation is same meaning as taiji. You must blantanly statement that the onesess is prior to duality
Wuji is a State of formlessness. It's an emptiness without distinctions.And wuji is prior to taiji
And in chinese philosophy there is no duality of existance and nonexistance, because duality is existance and nonexistance is the root or primordial of all
OneNess includes Nondistinction. There's no "you".Not every onesses is nonduality, they have to proof that they's onesses is include the duality
Being in a state where "you" or "2" or any distinctions doesn't exist is type 2. Where you're one indivisible being without any kind of seperation is 2Like, you can transcend/unbound every concept, but it doesn't make you have TD 2. Why?? Because that not mention duality, even though by logic it must have TD 2 because it will include concept of fire-water, dark-light, etc
none directly hints at girantina being the embodiment of nothingness.
@GyroNutzI've made some changes which will give Arceus full access to Acausality type 5, Transduality Type 2 and Nonexistence Physiology Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1,2,3 and 5
Check that and update your opinion while we wait for Gyro.
you know if there aren't any solid proof of such, anyone could create a downgrade crt to remove whatever was applied here right?Ok. Gyro and Elizha already agree, so I'll just ignore that for now
well...type 1 and 3 to be exact.1. Illusionary characters are type 1. It actually doesn't exist
2. Yep
It because everything is one, that dont mean that not exist, but they mixed. Like the big bang, in the beginning there are no star and galaxy because everything is one solid matter, so the explanation about star and galaxy is not exist because everything is sameGiratina embodies the concept Nonexistence, he didn't exist at the time, Dialga and Palkia embody the concept of time and space. They didn't exist. Why? Because within Arceus that distinction wasn't there. It mixed, formless, One
It was later that he created them
Let me repeat
are portrayed as existing within a state of single, indivisible wholeness bereft of any separation
Seperation in general does not exist for such characters
No, i dont says anything about TD 3. Just explain what is "Taiji". Taiji is onesess before DUALITYAnd that's false. Reason why Taiji get type 3 is because of the lack of seperation of any kind.
Which was an example under 3
Wuji is limitless, and because it limitless is being nothingnessWuji is a State of formlessness. It's an emptiness without distinctions.
It's not conventional nothingess. It's idealistic. Type
Yeah and its just possibly for TD 1 then. Because you and i is just a one system of duality, not every systemOneNess includes Nondistinction. There's no "you".
Where you found that?? Is only a system of duality not all systemBeing in a state where "you" or "2" or any distinctions doesn't exist is type 2. Where you're one indivisible being without any kind of seperation is 2
And cognitive physiology not even write "type 2" in there
Probably cause like 90% of JRPGs borrow from asian conceptsjust why is Taiwanese philosophy brought up here...
Why they didn't exist???Eh
I don't get what you mean. Let me say, Giratina is the concept of nonexistence, other CT and LT embody seperate aspects of existence on physical and metaphysical
These things were all one and the same because the chaos was nondistinct in nature. Everything unified as one thing, meaning it was neither existing
But in actuality, they didn't exist. That binary wasn't there. So existence nor nonexistence didn't exist
In this heart, everything was one, time, space, every being were a single existence.
You're implying space, time and nothingness existed before arceus created them. Because I'm sure they didn'tIt because everything is one, that dont mean that not exist, but they mixed. Like the big bang, in the beginning there are no star and galaxy because everything is one solid matter, so the explanation about star and galaxy is not exist because everything is same
Same as aboveJust same not, not exist
And cognitive physiology not even write "type 2" in there
And DT says nonduality is not transduality
just predating duality is different from existing in a state of Indivisible wholeness, befereft of seperation right? You're misinterpreting what he said.
i seeProbably cause like 90% of JRPGs borrow from asian concepts
Don't forget resistance to CM 1I've made some changes which will give Arceus full access to Acausality type 5, Transduality Type 2 and Nonexistence Physiology Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1,2,3 and 5
Check that and update your opinion while we wait for Gyro.
Because he existed when there was nothing.Why they didn't exist???
That's textbook definitions of NonDuality from the perspective of taiji. Seperation didn't exist. Everything was mixed.They just one, they just same. Like the big bang i says above
And it blantanly state as the existance
And your feats literally says :You're implying space, time and nothingness existed before arceus
Yeah that only mean everything is one and sameYou do know the concepts came into being once he created them. They didn't exist. They were all mixed and non distinct in his being. Everything was unified as One
Where in your feats its stated to be nothing???Because he existed when there was nothing
Yeah because EVERYTHING IS MIXED and BEING ONEThat's textbook definitions of NonDuality from the perspective of taiji. Seperation didn't exist. Everything was mixed.
There was nothing like "time" nor "space". That's
Yes. What about it. Time and space came into being after dialga and palkia were bornAnd your feats literally says :
Time started to spin. Space began to expand.
That seperation called "time" that made it different from anything else wasn't there. In Llama, seperation is meaningless.So time was there but not spin, space was there but not expand
Yup, that means seperation does not exist because he's NonDual.Yeah that only mean everything is one and same
Because he was the only thing in existence, before the universe came . At this point, you're trying to say Arceus was existing with time and space and then he created time and space, which let's be honest, won't even make sense to yourself in the grand scheme of thingsWhere in your feats its stated to be nothing???
Yes. Seperation doesn't exist. That's what it means. What about itYeah because EVERYTHING IS MIXED and BEING ONE
Yeah where its feats??Yes. What about it. Time and space came into being after dialga and palkia were born
Yeah because everything is sameThat seperation called "time" that made it different from anything else wasn't there. In Llama, seperation is meaningless.
Until he became aware and the multiverse was created
I've explain it aboveYup, that means seperation does not exist because he's NonDual.
He exists in a state of
Yeah the universe is "not exist" because everything was one. Not because the universe is nonexist by default and then existBecause he was the only thing in existence, before the universe came . At this point, you're trying to say Arceus was existing with time and space and then he created time and space, which let's be honest, won't even make sense to yourself in the grand scheme of things
You mean duality is a seperation right??? So if we is one and dont have any seperation thats mean the duality is no longer limited us right???Yes. Seperation doesn't exist. That's what it means. What about
Like, you can transcend/unbound every concept, but it doesn't make you have TD 2. Why?? Because that not mention duality, even though by logic it must have TD 2 because it will include concept of fire-water, dark-light, etc
Here is itYeah where its feats??
It's nor called time because there's no distinction between time or space, or anything and everything you can think of that can be related to it.even though the feats exist, we have to relate the meaning to other feats, we can't take them literally. because it could mean time
It's not called time because it hasn't rotated and so has space
Yes. In Taiji, distinctions didn't exist. It was a formless void where everything was just oneYeah the universe is "not exist" because everything was one. Not because the universe is nonexist by default and then exist
No that's Taiji, which is type 3 by default but is given to type 2 because it's not tierBut even seperation is duality, so you just possible for get TD 1
It would like i says above:
Such characters typically exist as contradictions within the context of their setting, and abide to dialetheic systems of logic, or are portrayed as existing within a state of single, indivisible wholeness bereft of any separation.So if we is one and dont have any seperation thats mean the duality is no longer limited us right???
But even seperation is duality, so you just possible for get TD 1
It would like i says above:
Which also fits with the nature of Arceus as a single indivisible whole.Such characters typically exist as contradictions within the context of their setting, and abide to dialetheic systems of logic, or are portrayed as existing within a state of single, indivisible wholeness bereft of any separation.
Its only feats of everything is one
Yeah everything become one, not not existIt's nor called time because there's no distinction between time or space, or anything and everything you can think of that can be related to it.
Everything Became one
Yes because taiji is onesess. No taiji is not formless void, taiji is onesessYes. In Taiji, distinctions didn't exist. It was a formless void where everything was just one
I already explain about taiji, onesess and everything elseNo that's Taiji, which is type 3 by default but is given to type 2 because it's not tier
At this point that's what you're arguing against and you're arguing with exactly the thing that was written under type 3. Of which Arceus qualifies