A little Upgrade(Or A Huge One) For Pokémon God Tiers

[Sniper670]

Type 2.

NEP 1. NEP 2 for being outside of the boundary between existence and nonexistence

But the concept of "Arceus" is still there.

I'll repeat, he's not a physical entity. Nor is he existent nor non existent


These are seperate beings.

 

[Greatsage13th]

NEP 1. NEP 2 for being outside of the boundary between existence and nonexistence

I'll repeat, he's not a physical entity. Nor is he existent not non existent


These are seperate beings

2hou gods are type 2 trans and NEP.

Neither are concepts, you can be non-physical, non-spiritual and nonexistent but still have a concept of yourself.

 

[Sniper670]

2hou gods are type 2 trans and NEP.

Which includes the binary of existence and nonexistence

Neither are concepts, you can be non-physical, non-spiritual and nonexistent but still have a concept of yourself.

Prove that Arceus has a concept.

I've shown you he's outside of the binary between existence and Non existence

 

[Sniper670]

I feel like you don't understand what Nep 2 is. Lacking your concept does not make you nep 2, that's aspect type 2. It's lacking the concept of nothing, if it's your concept, that makes you nep 2

 

[Greatsage13th]

Which includes the binary of existence and nonexistence

Prove that Arceus has a concept.

I've shown you he's outside of the binary between existence and Non existence

How does being outside of existence and nonexistence considered as devoid of concept?

 

[Sniper670]

How does being outside of existence and nonexistence considered as devoid of concept?

Again. There are two things in creation a Duality . Existence(1), and Nonexistence(0), Llama is 2,3 etc

He's outside that binary logic. So neither is he existent, nor is he nonexistent.

Yes, lacking your concept of nothing and still existing is nep 2, but there are several ways of getting it. Like being transdual where you exist outside the binary of existence and Non existence

 

[Greatsage13th]

Again. There are two things in creation a Duality . Existence(1), and Nonexistence(0), Llama is 2,3 etc

He's outside that binary logic

So how does that prove that he doesn't have a concept?

 

[Sniper670]

So how does that prove that he doesn't have a concept?

I've edited it with the answer. Last paragraph

 

[Sniper670]

So how does that prove that he doesn't have a concept?

A prime example is the Nep 2 blazblue characters and even Touhou.

Blazblue is nep 2 because they neither exist, nor nonexist. You can't fit them into any of those states of being, they're outside of both states

Touhou is not type 2 because they lack a concept, that's aspect type 2 and nature type 1. They're nature type 2 because they exist outside of the boundary, which includes existence and Non existence

 

[Fixxed]

That's nep 1.

I just says NEP, dont mention any type of it.
And i says that because you mention touhou above

 

[Greatsage13th]

A prime example is the Nep 2 blazblue characters and even Touhou.

Blazblue is nep 2 because they neither exist, nor nonexist. You can't fit them into any of those states of being, they're outside of both states

Touhou is not type 2 because they lack a concept, that's aspect type 2 and nature type 1. They're nature type 2 because they exist outside of the boundary, which includes existence and Non existence

those 2 examples are invalid. Blazblue had far more than just "not being existent or nonexistent" (they lost all traces of existence and lack the memory, soul and information of their existence) and 2hou are type 2 from being nonexistent and nameless/conceptless.

 

[Sniper670]

Alright

 

[Sniper670]

those 2 examples are invalid. Blazblue had far more than just "not being existent or nonexistent" (they lost all traces of existence and lack the memory, soul and information of their existence)

This was why. And yes, existing outside the binary of existence and Non existence is nep 2. He neither exists nor not exist.

Same as llama, he lacks any discernable existence because anything you try to tie him to is a seperate entity. Mind, soul, time, space, existence, Nonexistence be my guest and name it. He's neither and exists independently and transcendent of the Binary system he created

and 2hou are type 2 from being nonexistent and nameless/conceptless.

Conceptless has nothing to do with it. That was addressing aspect type 2. Its from being outside the binary distinction of form and emptiness

Which is why even if you look at the profile, they combine the two TD 2 and Nonexistence Physiology 2

 

[theultimate5105]

Arceus was literally formed out of the primordial nothingness.
Also you don’t need to be conceptless to get NEP type 2

 

[Sniper670]

That's nothingness in the form of Giratina

 

[theultimate5105]

That's nothingness in the form of Giratina

I mean maybe but I don’t think so since Giratina came after Arceus

 

[Greatsage13th]

Arceus was literally formed out of the primordial nothingness.
Also you don’t need to be conceptless to get NEP type 2

Then that means there's still a form of existence.

 

[Thelastmlg]

I mean maybe but I don’t think so since Giratina came after Arceus

Think he means giratina's specifically, i did explain why giratina nothigness =/= primordial nothingness, otherwise it would scale to or above arceus

 

[theultimate5105]

Then that means there's still a form of existence.

No it really doesn't
Hell you don't even need to be soulless to be NEP type 2.
NEP type 2 hasn't required you to be conceptless since the start of the year

 

[Greatsage13th]

No it really doesn't
Hell you don't even need to be soulless to be NEP type 2.
NEP type 2 hasn't required you to be conceptless since the start of the year

That'd be type 1...

 

[theultimate5105]

That'd be type 1...

No it wouldn’t
you really have no Idea how NEP type 2 works now

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

More specifically, you also need Aspect 2 to have conceptual nonexistence.

 

[Sniper670]

That'd be type 1...

That has nothing to do with llama. NEP 1 is Giratina for embodying nothing.

Llama is nep 2 for being outside of that binary logic

 

[Greatsage13th]

More specifically, you also need Aspect 2 to have conceptual nonexistence.

Yep, but what aspect of nonexistence does Arceus have...?

 

[Greatsage13th]

That has nothing to do with llama. NEP 1 is Giratina for embodying nothing.

Llama is nep 2 for being outside of that binary logic

Wouldn't that be NEP type 3 instead if 2?

 

[Sniper670]

Wouldn't that be NEP type 3 instead if 2?

No, that's nep 2.

Existence (1) nonexistence(0) he's outside of it

 

[theultimate5105]

Yep, but what aspect of nonexistence does Arceus have...?

1, 2 (does not have certain concepts such as spirit, time, space, matter and ”antimatter”) and 3

 

[Greatsage13th]

1, 2 (does not have certain concepts such as spirit, time, space, matter and ”antimatter”) and 3

I'd agree with 1 and 3 just not aspect 2.

 

[theultimate5105]

I'd agree with 1 and 3 just not aspect 2.

Except it literally is aspect 2 with it lacking concepts like time, space and spirit. You don’t even need to lack every concept to get aspect 2

 

[Fixxed]

For get NEP you should have nonexistance property, more specific you should describe as nonexistance it self

Just lack of something i think it just give you immunity to that

And like i says predate something doesn't make you nonexistance being or give you any property of nonexistance

 

[theultimate5105]

For get NEP you should have nonexistance property, more specific you should describe as nonexistance it self

Just lack of something i think it just give you immunity to that

And like i says predate something doesn't make you nonexistance being or give you any property of nonexistance

Arceus is formed from nothingness that exists outside of a duality of existence and nonexistence

 

[Sniper670]

Type 5 for the essence within the plates. The plates are vessels which holds the essence of a specific power of the verse. So they'll share his nature, as they're fragments of himself.

Basically he'd be immune to powers that affect his powers, unless you have nature type 2 aspect type 5 that targets powers

 

[Sniper670]

Arceus is formed from nothingness that exists outside of a duality of existence and nonexistence

Sums it up.

 

[Fixxed]

Arceus is formed from nothingness that exists outside of a duality of existence and nonexistence

Formed from nothingness doesn't mean you're part or get the property of nothingness

In many case in many fiction, the universe and existance it self it formed or created from nothingness, is not make the universe is nothingness, right

 

[Sniper670]

In many cases is not in Pokémon case.

There's a Duality here, of which llama is outside of.

So he's nonexistence, of which he neither exists nor nonexist

 

[Fixxed]

In many cases is not in Pokémon case.

There's a Duality here, of which llama is outside of.

So he's nonexistence, of which he neither exists nor nonexist

Thats why, i says this

Can you provide proof arceus is nonexistance being??? Because exist before existance and nonexistance not make you nonexistance being, and you must nonexist to get NEP

 

[Sniper670]

It was answered. Read the messages.

Let me repeat myself. He's outside the duality of existence and Non existence.

 

[Fixxed]

No, i dont get any answer, arceus is nonexistance being

 

[Sniper670]

No, i dont get any answer, arceus is nonexistance being

One Arceus is just a Pokémon and just an Avatar of his True Form

Original One is fully abstract, of which he predates Spirit (mind and soul), Existence and Nonexistence which Giratina embodies.

And again, creating and existing outside of the binary distinction between existence and Non existence

 

[Fixxed]

It was answered. Read the messages.

Let me repeat myself. He's outside the duality of existence and Non existence.

I mean thats make he nonexistance being?? I dont think so