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I updated my posts. I could see the Giritana's abilities being fine, assuming antimatter is actually nonexistent; it probably needs way more inputs since I believe Nonexistence and Acausality type 4 have been rejected many times. However, Arceus's nonexistence type seems iffy. I am neutral on the acausality.Uhh, can you check the main crt then?
DT mentioned he's avoiding Pokémon stuff for now so I dunno
Can you translate it to English? Would make it easier to understandacca type 5 Não sei o que dizer pois nunca vi o conceito de acaso aparecer em pokémon, o resto concordo.
Pretty sure that's kinda racist.We don't speak taco bell
The Distortion Worldacca type 5 Não sei o que dizer pois nunca vi o conceito de acaso aparecer em pokémon, o resto concordo.
this is prejudice more with Mexico, so it has nothing to do with me but there must be some here so I think it's better to change it.Tenho certeza que isso é meio racista.
It was a puzzle to test the player and prove yourself. It's the way it is until the ruler decides what should and shouldnt be. He's the ruler, just as Dialga rules over his realm, and Palkia does. You didn't see Ash get erased from existence while Dialga took him through his time realm did you? But yeah, in his realm time moves at different speeds everywhere and he'd be dead by nowI am not sure about Acausality Type 4, since we do see mostly that the player can interact normally in the distortion world (except for some weird things), but is also able to battle Cyrus there
Under the rules of Giratina as mentioned in PLA. Even in the manga, the two people who were trapped inside could not escape until Giratina kinda took his eyes off them for a while. Long story short, rules of DW≠ rules of PokéworldSo even if it's type 4, it's clear that they can at least interact with the distortion world in some way
We don't use the anime depiction as that's a very different depiction of the place. I think I clarified that at the beginning. And even as bad as it is, even time was literally looping around him in the domain until he decided to leave, which is outside his domain.In the anime, Shaymin, as well as Ash, Dawn, Brock and Zero, are all able to traverse Giratina's realm and interact normally there in M11
SorryI deleted the mildly racist comment.
@Ego
You need to make a continuous effort to avoid toxicity and bigotry as a member of this forum.
Anyway, what are the conclusions here so far, and which staff members agree with them?
the anime world was a "reverse" world with countless buildings and land which were taken from our world cause they disrupted reality or sum shiz like that. Completely different from the game, manga and generations anime.I agree the anime despiction shouldn't be taken over primary source, but can someone remind me how was it portrayed exactly?
It's actually a meme but depending on how it is used it can be aggressive/racist or a friendly game.That sounded more like a meme reference than a racist comment
Hard to properly explain. But it's functionally differentI agree the anime despiction shouldn't be taken over primary source, but can someone remind me how was it portrayed exactly?
bruh, i guess they wanted to expand it beyond puzzles and stuff but, eeeh, feels too much of a change, though i think it helps the theme of balance with the reflections.Hard to properly explain. But it's functionally different
1. For instance it's filled with reflections, which is not the case for the Distortion world
2. It doesn't look like the Distortion world in the least
3. Its functionally different. It takes pollutions in the form of black clouds to correct imbalances, not the case for the DW. No bubbles in the DW
4. I don't know what was up with the DW and shaymin, but Gira does not need seed flare to move between both worlds.
5. It was different enough for the anime to relabel it Reverse World, and for good reason. It doesn't look like, or behave as DW. Also, the anime released before the games, so its likely a case of keeping spoilers in check, and simply got overwritten by Platinum
It's Pokémon Generations, the series on YouTube.isn't there another pokemon anime where cyrus goes there and it looks just like the games, i think you showed the scan of him saying it is nothingness and stuff
I believe it's from the evidence was too low to show that Distortion world or Giritina would be nonexistent. I believe this thread got the best evidence of the contrary from what I know.wI looked into those....
Why Nonexistence was rejected was because of how the anime depicted the place, which is entirely different from the games shown, which I've clarified. And I think that's nep nature type 1 is for Giratina, not Arceus
It used to have Acausality Type 4 in later 2018 but it was removed as it was considered as antifeats by most of evaluating staffs familiar with pokemon that Dialga's powers like Dialga's temporal loop could affect it, in short.Aca 4....i don't remember when that was rejected. But I've clarified the DW runs on different rules than Pokéverse. Nothing makes sense there unless Giratina wills it. Logic don't apply, physics, nada. Time and space cant exist there cos he's a paradox of those
These proposals work.Acausality type 5 tho, hmmph, i take it as Arceus the game master creating two worlds, one logical and follows causality, another acausal and doesn't really obey it, and the game master existing outside of the game entirely. Unless Arceus creating the law of cause and effect is subject to it somehow, which wouldn't work cos he transcends the reality and all its systems and exists outside of it.
As for nep type 2 it will be for existing beyond the Binary presented by Pokeworld and Distortion World. Existence(1), Nonexistence(0)
Also for the fact that the 3 facets of reality, physical, metaphysical and Nonexistence are entirely seperate aspects of his being, so he's none of them.
Though tbf that never really affected Arceus in any way and he was very much aware of the fact that Ash and co went to the past to help himIt used to have Acausality Type 4 in later 2018 but it was removed as it was considered as antifeats by most of evaluating staffs familiar with pokemon that Dialga's powers like Dialga's temporal loop could affect it, in short.
Yes. It was recently. Unfortunately the person who made that thread did not present the evidence I did, nor did he elaborate or add context. Mainly 2 things against it: Rocks in DW, and anime depiction. Anime depiction is flat out wrong. As for rocks, they're platforms designed by Giratina to test the player. Which I've labeled under void manipulation and creation as it materializes and dematerializes depending on how close you are to it.I believe it's from the evidence was too low to show that Distortion world or Giritina would be nonexistent. I believe this thread got the best evidence of the contrary from what I know.w
They've been using the anime depiction against it for years. It's why I made the clarification first thing before starting the crt. It significantly alters the DWIt used to have Acausality Type 4 in later 2018 but it was removed as it was considered as antifeats by most of evaluating staffs familiar with pokemon that Dialga's powers like Dialga's temporal loop could affect it, in short.
GreatThese proposals work.
don't rush it mate, it takes some time. I think someone should call Gyro here. Also, some important revisions take quite a while to get noticed and so far people aren't against the majority of the changes, including staff. Any rebuttal was countered so far and every problem addressedIt doesn't seem like we will get sufficient input from knowledgeable staff members here for this revision to be accepted.
guess we'll have to stall then, the discussion is still ongoingI already tried calling for GyroNutz and other staff members who are knowledgeable about Pokémon, but they have been uninterested thus far.
You're right.Will say that I never had a particular problem with Giratina having non-existence, though I'd have to finish reading the manga to complete my thoughts on that. I do agree that the creation trio are strongly tied to dualities - the duality of physical time-space and emotional spirit, the duality of space and time and the duality of matter (Dialga + Palkia) and "antimatter" (Giratina), with Cyrus' statements being clear support.
You're right. His transcendence isn't limited to only laws of cause and effect. But any concept, laws, systems, Order that came after himthere's nothing explicitly linking Arceus' transcendence with cause and effect laws.
Well when I joined the wiki and looked at his previous matches, they just choose what's best to win a fight.Finally a (open-ended) question: How do we treat Arceus having every Pokemon ability if they're paradoxical in nature/disadvantageous? For instance, Flare Boost and Water Veil, or Vital Spirit and Truant/Comatose. Contrary sparked my interest because there's numerous abilities and moves that would boost Arceus' stats that are now worse than useless if we consider this an active ability - coupled with Speed Boost and passive auras, Arceus would be passively making itself slower