Slayers from hell and back! (Pochita vs Doomguy) (0-1-3)

[GunshyFever]

this is going incon then, if pochita can always come back where doom guy is, then doom guy has no way of making pochita stop coming back unless The Crucible can do something about hell but i doubt it or doom guy dimensional travel, maybe doom guy social influencing could make pochita scared enough to not come back

Pochita has no idea who Doom is so nah, also in any case like Denji, he can just saw up his brain and become a instinctive killing machine

Edit: He can regenerate it btw

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

Pochita has no idea who Doom is so nah, also in any case like Denji, he can just saw up his brain and become a instinctive killing machine

Edit: He can regenerate it btw

Dante comes and invites both of them for some pizza, incon fra

 

[koopa3144]

Dante comes and invites both of them for some pizza, incon fra

Counted!

 

[koopa3144]

Bump

 

[Hiiilt]

incon fra

 

[koopa3144]

incon fra

Counted!

 

[koopa3144]

Bump!

 

[TyphonEX]

He doesn't have to be eaten whole at once, he can take a bite out of Doom and if he manages to defeat him, he can eat his entire body and stop him from returning

Pochita via his Devil Physiology also has Types 1, 3, 6 & 8 so that shouldn't be problem, including the fact that unlike other Devils Pochita keeps his memories upon death and can travel back to the battlefield within minutes

Doom Slayer would actually take this pretty easily though. His immortality negation would negate Pochita's Type 4 immortality, and none of Pochita's other forms of immortality would be able to bring him back. Types 1 and 3 obviously can be bypassed by the Doom Slayer since Type 1 doesn't actually do anything about unnatural causes of death (such as the Doom Slayer mutilating Pochita) and because type 3 can be bypassed by damaging Pochita so much that he can't regenerate, which is something that the Doom Slayer could easily do by utilizing his AP advantage and frying him with the BFG or something similar or cutting his heart up with any of his other weapons. Type 6 on the other hand can be bypassed by simply killing Pochita before he can possess another body since there's no indication that Pochita can possess another body while dead.

Type 8 immortality won't save Pochita either since reliant immortality, by nature, is simply a characteristic of another form of immortality. It's not a separate form of immortality. The page on immortality explains "The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place, and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits." In this case, Pochita's type 8 immortality simply grants him type 4 immortality and nothing else as long as his concept continues to be feared by humans. It is nothing more than type 3 immortality with the condition of Pochita's concept continuing to instill fear in humans. This is rendered invalid however by the fact that the Doom Slayer's immortality negation negates this type 4 immortality in the first place. Since the type 4 immortality is the sole benefit of Pochita's type 8 immortality, his type 8 immortality is in effect neutralized.

Tl;dr Doom Slayer bypasses Types 1 and 3 by just damaging Pochita beyond his regenerative capabilities and bypasses type 4 and by extension type 8 (since his type 8 is nothing more than type 3 with a condition) with his immortality negation.

On top of that, Pochita doesn't even have any real wincons at all. Existence erasure won't work on him since the Doom Slayer's acausality makes his existence a constant among all variables of all possible timelines and all possibilities. He MIGHT be able to die temporarily (that's debatable), but it is impossible for him to stop existing. Pochita would need causality manipulation or some other ability that lets him do the impossible in order to erase Doomguy, which Pochita does not have. My vote is that the Doom Slayer takes this decisively.

 

[koopa3144]

On top of that, Pochita doesn't even have any real wincons at all. Existence erasure won't work on him since the Doom Slayer's acausality makes his existence a constant among all variables of all possible timelines and all possibilities. He MIGHT be able to die temporarily (that's debatable), but it is impossible for him to stop existing. Pochita would need causality manipulation or some other ability that lets him do the impossible in order to erase Doomguy, which Pochita does not have. My vote is that the Doom Slayer takes this decisively.

Just because Pochita can't EE him doesn't mean he has zero wincons, cause if it did it would be a stomp and I'd have to close the thread. But besides that, counted!

 

[ShionAH]

Sorry lol

 

[Apotheosis69]

So ugh, Doomguy is Blessed and has Fate Manipulation up to the 6th-Dimension...

That and he has muuuch higher Attack Potency and Durability... he can just one-shot Pochita into absolute nothingness and absolutely Tank his attacks... and he has BFR for anything he kills to the Void (which is 6th Dimensional), no way for Pochita to come back from that... Plus doesn't Devil's reincarnating count as Non-Combat Applicable or am I tweaking?

Also, doesn't Pochita ONLY have Existence Erasure for things that "Physically" embodies concepts, specifically Devils are in verse, (cus he ate a Hamburger... and that still exists, plus nothing ever stated in the manga that Pochita DIDN'T want to that too). And that's even IF Pochita can even EAT him, which he needs to chew up and stuff like that... to which I sincerely doubt he can with Doomguy's muuch higher Durability

Doomguy also has Concept Manipulation via Essence Manipulation so he can manipulate the Chainsaw Devil whatever he wants... He is unfathomably more experienced in fighting than Pochita too. Best thing Pochita has done is take off his heart as a form of Bait to sneak up on Makima (which while that is impressive in its own right, it is absolutely nothing compared to someone who is trained as a military marine with advanced technology and fights all forms of hellish monstrosities with their own abilities for Eternity)

All in All, Stomp to Doomguy

Also I saw this image before and this is too goated to not use in the Thread Starter Message

MOST OF ALL, we all know they would not fight each other... and instead fight together to destroy all Hells.

 

[ShionAH]

Also, doesn't Pochita ONLY have Existence Erasure for things that "Physically" embodies concepts, specifically Devils are in verse, (cus he ate a Hamburger... and that still exists, plus nothing ever stated in the manga that Pochita DIDN'T want to that too). And that's even IF Pochita can even EAT him, which he needs to chew up and stuff like that... Universe level+ Durability btw

Doom Guy also Resists Cm so it hardly matters, he'll possibly get EE resistance too

Doomguy also has Concept Manipulation via Essence Manipulation so he can manipulate the Chainsaw Devil whatever he wants...

Just a heads up, Doom guy cannot manipulate and control concepts like Father or Davoth. He simply can touch and destroy it with his attacks

 

[Apotheosis69]

Doom Guy also Resists Cm so it hardly matters, he'll possibly get EE resistance too

Would not be surprised if he does get it.

Just a heads up, Doom guy cannot manipulate and control concepts like Father or Davoth. He simply can touch and destroy it with his attacks

Understood, appreciated for the info. Even then, that deadass changes nothing in this fight in particular then... Just rip him apart or... ironically, use his own Chainsaw to destroy Pochita and his Chainsaw Concept.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

im sure this match shouldnt be continues since doom guy got tier 2 upgrades and now pochita has 0 wincons

 

[Apotheosis69]

Very late, but I also agree. @koopa3144 You agree?