8-B Tournament Round 3, Match 1: Optimus Prime (2007 DS Game) vs Ken Kaneki

[RandomGuy2345]

In general, Kaneki is too agile to lose so easily to Optimus. He can maneuver around the enemy, simultaneously attacking him from under the ground with sharp tentacles, which, like games, can go through a gap in the Autobot's armor to weaken his limbs.

Scale scales up to 131 thousand tons, while the LS of Optimus scales up to 12 thousand tons. Thus, having a 10-fold advantage, Kaneki can simply tie the opponent's hands and feet in order to deliver the final blow later.

Um, this is an 8-B tournament. Thousands of tons is massively above the limit for this tourney.

I have no idea what you're talking right now lol.

 

[Sero]

Who else feels the same?

I can't even be match, to be fair i should have lost looooooooong ago, but plot armor is powerful thing- i mean my fellow TG supporters helped me out and also some rules where being broken.....And plot armor

 

[NikHelton]

I don't know if it matters now, but I give my vote to Kaneki

 

[NikHelton]

Um, this is an 8-B tournament. Thousands of tons is massively above the limit for this tourney.

I have no idea what you're talking right now lol.

This is a lifting strength

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Then Snake vs Optimus is my grudge match

@XSOULOFCINDERX i'm givig my middle finger for you and your Optimus Evil laugh

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I don't know if it matters now, but I give my vote to Kaneki

Vote counted ig.

 

[Razor]

Ngl, I'd be kinda pissed if Optimus won this tournament.

Bro legit Mickey Mouse'd his way to the semifinals. He faced no character with comparable AP, or even hax that'll help them out.

Dude is haxless, AP is the only thing he got, If the character has an advantage on that field then he just doesn't win

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Then Snake vs Optimus is my grudge match

@XSOULOFCINDERX i'm givig my middle finger for you and your Optimus Evil laugh

@Shadyboi0 is the one using Optimus.

 

[Sero]

In general, Kaneki is too agile to lose so easily to Optimus. He can maneuver around the enemy, simultaneously attacking him from under the ground with sharp tentacles, which, like games, can go through a gap in the Autobot's armor to weaken his limbs.

Scale scales up to 131 thousand tons, while the LS of Optimus scales up to 12 thousand tons. Thus, having a 10-fold advantage, Kaneki can simply tie the opponent's hands and feet in order to deliver the final blow later.

SO MY LIFTING STRENGTH ARGUMENT WAS SEMI-RIGHT-ISH!?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Then Snake vs Optimus is my grudge match

@XSOULOFCINDERX i'm givig my middle finger for you and your Optimus Evil laugh

You know I'm not the one who picked him for the tournament right? My character got disqualified so I'm arguing for the only other character I can accurately debate for.

 

[Sero]

Um, this is an 8-B tournament. Thousands of tons is massively above the limit for this tourney.

I have no idea what you're talking right now lol.

He means lifting strength i believe

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Dude is haxless, AP is the only thing he got, If the character has an advantage on that field then he just doesn't win

That's why it'd be infuriating and hilarious at the same time if he won.

 

[NikHelton]

SO MY LIFTING STRENGTH ARGUMENT WAS SEMI-RIGHT-ISH!?

Yes

 

[NikHelton]

Vote counted ig.

wait, has the vote changed yet? no further arguments are accepted?

 

[Sero]

Dude is haxless, AP is the only thing he got, If the character has an advantage on that field then he just doesn't win

I mean....he has lifting strength? (not against kanaki though)

 

[RandomGuy2345]

wait, has the vote changed yet? no further arguments are accepted?

Wdym? Mostly everyone voted for Optimus.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

You know I'm not the one who picked him for the tournament right? My character got disqualified so I'm arguing for the only other character I can accurately debate for.

Then i giving my middle finger to Shadyboi as well

Still you are arguing Optimus here so you it doesn't matter another evil laugh

 

[NikHelton]

Don't you need 7 votes to win?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Don't you need 7 votes to win?

You need 7 votes and wait for the Grace Period to end.

 

[NikHelton]

I could write a few arguments in the direction of the ghoul, but if the fight is over, then it doesn't make sense

 

[Sero]

Wdym? Mostly everyone voted for Optimus.

2 people on Optimus

 

[NikHelton]

In fact, I do not know where 5 people on Optimus came from. I suggest calling them here to read the latest messages about the victory scenario to confirm their choice.

 

[Sero]

I could write a few arguments in the direction of the ghoul, but if the fight is over, then it doesn't make sense

I believe in you Nik. May the plot armor be with you~

 

[Popted2]

i voted Prime

 

[Sero]

Let me count real quick-

 

[Razor]

In general, Kaneki is too agile to lose so easily to Optimus. He can maneuver around the enemy, simultaneously attacking him from under the ground with sharp tentacles, which, like games, can go through a gap in the Autobot's armor to weaken his limbs.

Scale scales up to 131 thousand tons, while the LS of Optimus scales up to 12 thousand tons. Thus, having a 10-fold advantage, Kaneki can simply tie the opponent's hands and feet in order to deliver the final blow later.

Him being agile doesn't change the fact that prime can one tap him, he's not avoiding getting hit at least once. What's kaneki's fighting style BTW?

And does he grapple in character? And Grappling could be suicide since kaneki's basically giving optimus the chance to one tap him since if he grapples they would be in close range, which optimus can take advantage of and one tap kaneki

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Random counted my comment in previous page as a vote while in reality i'm not even voted at first place as i was being salty af and ranting

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Random counted my comment in previous page as a vote while in reality i'm not even voted at first place as i was being salty af and ranting

Do you want me to remove it?

 

[Razor]

Nah, You guys are hating on a haxless character by winning due to AP, What yall want prime to do? Win via hax?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Nah, You guys are hating on a haxless character by winning due to AP, What yall want prime to do? Win via hax?

I just wanted Kaneki win man, dude got his previous rounds cancelled so give him a spotlight

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Do you want me to remove it?

OF COURSE, ISN'T THAT OBVIOUS?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Nah, You guys are hating on a haxless character by winning due to AP, What yall want prime to do? Win via hax?

1. They're mostly jokes, with some exceptions.

2. Optimus Mickey Mouse'd his way to the semifinals. He faced no one with comparable AP, and he faced no one with powerful enough hax to put up a fight.

 

[Razor]

I just wanted Kaneki win man, dude got his previous rounds cancelled so give him a spotlight

Why did his previous rounds get cancelled?

 

[Sero]

Nah, You guys are hating on a haxless character by winning due to AP, What yall want prime to do? Win via hax?

Woah there buddy, i don't think we're hating (Looks at Veloxt) Most of us at least, we're just trying to debate Kanaki to best we can

 

[Razor]

1. They're mostly jokes, with some exceptions.

2. Optimus Mickey Mouse'd his way to the semifinals. He faced no one with comparable AP, and he faced no one with powerful enough hax to put up a fight.

1. yeayeah I'm joking as well

2. If he fought someone with comparable AP and some decent hax then he auto loses, since AP is the only thing he's got going for him

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Why did his previous rounds get cancelled?

Killua and his nen bullshit and Ashen One immortality bullshit

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Why did his previous rounds get cancelled?

Because the characters he faced were too OP for the tourney.

 

[Razor]

Oh yeah I rember the killua one

 

[Sero]

Why did his previous rounds get cancelled?

Every. One. i. fight. was. not. usable.

 

[Razor]

Woah there buddy, i don't think we're hating (Looks at Veloxt) Most of us at least, we're just trying to debate Kanaki to best we can

I'm just kidding dw

 

[RandomGuy2345]

1. yeayeah I'm joking as well

2. If he fought someone with comparable AP and some decent hax then he auto loses, since AP is the only thing he's got going for him

All of the characters he has faced so far are <34 tons, which was followed by the massive scaling chain for Optimus. None of the characters he faced stood a chance.

 

[Sero]

Oke

 

[Razor]

All of the characters he has faced so far are <34 tons, which was followed by the massive scaling chain for Optimus. None of the characters he faced stood a chance.

I see

 

[NikHelton]

Him being agile doesn't change the fact that prime can one tap him, he's not avoiding getting hit at least once. What's kaneki's fighting style BTW?

And does he grapple in character? And Grappling could be suicide since kaneki's basically giving optimus the chance to one tap him since if he grapples they would be in close range, which optimus can take advantage of and one tap kaneki

oneshoted needs a difference of 7.5 times. Both characters have long chains, the basic positions of which differ by 2 times.
Maybe you didn't see the message I sent, but there I explained why the Kaneki hook is not invalid, so the characters don't have such a huge gap.
And learning that Optimus is a pure AP without hax, and his opponent has much better maneuverability, higher LS and hax, then this turns into a battle for recognition.

 

[Harith0cell]

Optimus prime fra

 

[Razor]

oneshoted needs a difference of 7.5 times. Both characters have long chains, the basic positions of which differ by 2 times.
Maybe you didn't see the message I sent, but there I explained why the Kaneki hook is not invalid, so the characters don't have such a huge gap.
And learning that Optimus is a pure AP without hax, and his opponent has much better maneuverability, higher LS and hax, then this turns into a battle for recognition.

If a character one shots a 34 ton character in their verse, then they can one shot someone who's 34 tons here without having to be 238 tons. As optimus one shotted someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners, he'd be able to one shot kaneki no problem. LS Is suicide for kaneki, and no I didn't disregard your scaling chain, but even with that optimus can still one shot. He is agile but he's not preventing optimus from hitting him once. and what other hax can kaneki use here? His most prevalent haxes, RPL and Regen has already been brought up

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Optimus prime fra

5 for Prime.

 

[NikHelton]

If a character one shots a 34 ton character in their verse, then they can one shot someone who's 34 tons here without having to be 238 tons. As optimus one shotted someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners, he'd be able to one shot kaneki no problem. LS Is suicide for kaneki, and no I didn't disregard your scaling chain, but even with that optimus can still one shot. He is agile but he's not preventing optimus from hitting him once. and what other hax can kaneki use here? His most prevalent haxes, RPL and Regen has already been brought up

To oneshoted an opponent needs a 7.5x AP advantage. This is by the standards of this wiki and only applies to combat, not character scaling. Even if the Optimus were 80 tonnes it would not give him the option of a oneshoted Kaneki.
Moreover, he can survive after 1 attack, recover and level the score with the help of reactive evolution.
Kaneki can make decisive direct attacks when the opponent overpowers him. It was in the battle with Arima, when he distracted him and attacked from the blind spot, delivering a victorious blow, although before that he had only been defeated.

I'll answer everything else in the morning. Now I have 3 nights and I want to sleep. Goodnight.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

To oneshoted an opponent needs a 7.5x AP advantage. This is by the standards of this wiki and only applies to combat, not character scaling. Even if the Optimus were 80 tonnes it would not give him the option of a oneshoted Kaneki.
Moreover, he can survive after 1 attack, recover and level the score with the help of reactive evolution.
Kaneki can make decisive direct attacks when the opponent overpowers him. It was in the battle with Arima, when he distracted him and attacked from the blind spot, delivering a victorious blow, although before that he had only been defeated.

I'll answer everything else in the morning. Now I have 3 nights and I want to sleep. Goodnight.

Oh for fuck's sake, that's not how we treat In-Universe One-Shots. We only do that for characters that don't have Scaling Chains to rely on when the AP Gap is that big which is not what's happening here. Optimus is unquantifiably stronger than Ironhide who is on par with Base Starscream who One-Shot Blackout who casually shits on groups of 34 Ton Drones at the same time. There is such a thing as different Upscaling rules for each verse, it's not all uniform with all the others.

 

[Razor]

To oneshoted an opponent needs a 7.5x AP advantage. This is by the standards of this wiki and only applies to combat, not character scaling. Even if the Optimus were 80 tonnes it would not give him the option of a oneshoted Kaneki.
Moreover, he can survive after 1 attack, recover and level the score with the help of reactive evolution.
Kaneki can make decisive direct attacks when the opponent overpowers him. It was in the battle with Arima, when he distracted him and attacked from the blind spot, delivering a victorious blow, although before that he had only been defeated.

I'll answer everything else in the morning. Now I have 3 nights and I want to sleep. Goodnight.

We don't make someone 7x stronger than somebody they one shotted in their own verse, a character who can one shot a 34 tons character can also one shot a 34 tons character here without having to be 7x stronger, we can QnA this if you want, Also how is he surviving an attack? the gap is way too big and low-mid ain't covering it. And prime can simply barrage him with attacks. And are those said opponents capable of one shotting kaneki?

 

[NikHelton]

Oh for fuck's sake, that's not how we treat In-Universe One-Shots. We only do that for characters that don't have Scaling Chains to rely on when the AP Gap is that big which is not what's happening here. Optimus is unquantifiably stronger than Ironhide who is on par with Base Starscream who One-Shot Blackout who casually shits on groups of 34 Ton Drones at the same time. There is such a thing as different Upscaling rules for each verse, it's not all uniform with all the others.

To be incomparably stronger than the one who oneshoted the one who stomps 34 tons is already beyond 8-B

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

To be incomparably stronger than the one who oneshoted the one who stomps 34 tons is already beyond 8-B

Not by the Wiki's Rules we don't.

 

[Razor]

To be incomparably stronger than the one who oneshoted the one who stomps 34 tons is already beyond 8-B

No, Because the gap is unquantifiable, We don't have anything stating that optimus prime was stronger than them by X amount, He's just massively stronger then them

 

[NikHelton]

I don't understand why this applies to Optimus, but does not apply to Kaneki, which also has a long chain? His chain also excludes the possibility of being killed by touch.

 

[Razor]

I don't understand why this applies to Optimus, but does not apply to Kaneki, which also has a long chain? His chain also excludes the possibility of being killed by touch.

Wdym? What doesn't apply to kaneki?

 

[Shadyboi0]

Who else feels the same?

im not winning the tournament. But OP is my favorite fictional character so id be deadass happy

 

[Nierre]

OP FRA

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Optimus fra.

fra train let's go

 

[Shadyboi0]

Aint that grace?

 

[Razor]

Aint that grace?

Yeah it is

 

[Shadyboi0]

Yeah it is

 

[NikHelton]

Wdym? What doesn't apply to kaneki?

scaling

 

[Razor]

scaling

We use scaling on kaneki too

 

[AnonymousBlank]

scaling

It does. The issue is that Kaneki’s chain starts at a number half that of the number that is shitstomped by guys that get shitstomped by Optimus.

If X has a chain of a dozen stomps ending with Y = 10 megaton, and A breathes and kills B who in turn bullies an army of C = 20 megaton each, A is stronger as you cannot quantifiably prove what number X is. This isn’t even them starting off at the same number and one has a longer chain. This is their base numbers having a considerable difference and then a comparable scaling chain of one shots one shots and stomps. Even if we were to attribute the x7.5 one shot figure for one shots to their scaling chains, Optimus would still come out on top with a bigger number.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Looks like we've reached the semifinals!

Solid Snake vs Optimus Prime (Mickey Mouse)
and
Gene (God Hand) vs Kamen Rider Ixa are the 2 matchups in this round!

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Ixa vs Gene in nutshell: hax vs skill

 

[RandomGuy2345]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/8-b-tournament-semifinals-solid-snake-vs-optimus-prime-2007-ds-game.127460/

Solid Snake vs Optimus Prime has been made!