8-B Tournament Round 3, Match 1: Optimus Prime (2007 DS Game) vs Ken Kaneki

[NikHelton]

Thats not how it works.

I'm not familiar with TG but is there confirmation that the RC Cells got transferred? But even then, alr lets say kaneki is 34 tons, optimus stomps someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners like kaneki, so he'd still be massively above him

As Optimus tramples the characters of 34 tons, so Kaneki tramples the character of 17 tons, then becoming stronger several times in the same key.
Either we should just agree on the difference of AP by 2 times, or we rest on the fact that they will not be able to count

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

He unquantifiably upscales from 75 Tons.

Then he should be disqualified

 

[RandomGuy2345]

He unquantifiably upscales from 75 Tons.

That's dangerously close to the limit, but I think I can let it slide.

 

[Razor]

As Optimus tramples the characters of 34 tons, so Kaneki tramples the character of 17 tons, then becoming stronger several times in the same key.
Either we should just agree on the difference of AP by 2 times, or we rest on the fact that they will not be able to count

No we shouldn't, Optimus' scaling chain is larger, he can stomp someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners, not just one person thats 34 tons

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Then he should be disqualified

Damn, idk whether to disqualify or continue the tournament.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Then he should be disqualified

But why though? It's not like he stomps everyone in the tournament. His One-Shot chain starts at someone who stomps 34 Tonners in groups with an unquantifiable Strength Difference.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

But why though? It's not like he stomps everyone in the tournament. His One-Shot chain starts at someone who stomps 34 Tonners in groups with an unquantifiable Strength Difference.

It's not that he stomps everyone, It's that 82.5 tons was the AP limit I set for the tourney. Anyone who is above that cannot be allowed.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

That still really dangerous close to the limit of this tourney had tho

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It's not that he stomps everyone, It's that 82.5 tons was the AP limit I set for the tourney. Anyone who is above that cannot be allowed.

OK, so? Optimus doesn't breach that number.

 

[azontr]

Doesn't Prime one shot lol.

 

[Razor]

Also aside from AP, optimus doesn't really have much going for him, he has like no OP hax and his regen is mid-low, so idk if he should get disqualified

 

[RandomGuy2345]

OK, so? Optimus doesn't breach that number.

I guess he can be allowed. I mean, he's virtually haxless, it's just that all of the opponents he has faced are on the lower end of 8-B. If he faced someone like Johnny who is 8-B+, it wouldn't look so bad.

 

[NikHelton]

No we shouldn't, Optimus' scaling chain is larger, he can stomp someone who can stomp groups of 34 tonners, not just one person thats 34 tons

Kaneki tramples on a character who showed 17 tons, and then takes away his strength, mutating in the process. Arima stomps this Kaneki, taking it for a feed. Kaneki uses a reactive power boost and becomes kakuja, forcing Arima to use her strongest weapon. Arima is stomps Kaneki again. Kaneki gets stronger and goes toe-to-toe with Arima. His kakuja mode makes him even stronger.
As a result, the Kaneki chain is no less long.
Just as the 17 tons character was stomped by Kaneki, so his stronger version is just fodder for the one-eyed king form and even more so kakuja

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Also aside from AP, optimus doesn't really have much going for him, he has like no OP hax and his regen is mid-low, so idk if he should get disqualified

I guess he can be allowed. I mean, he's virtually haxless, it's just that all of the opponents he has faced or on the lower end of 8-B. If he faced someone like Johnny who is 8-B+, it wouldn't look so bad.

 

[Razor]

Kaneki tramples on a character who showed 17 tons, and then takes away his strength, mutating in the process. The same Kaneki tramples Arima, taking it for food. Kaneki uses a reactive power boost and becomes kakuja, forcing Arima to use her strongest weapon. Arima is trampling Kaneki again. Kaneki gets stronger and goes toe-to-toe with Arima. His kakuja mode makes him even stronger.
As a result, the Kaneki chain is no less long.
Just as the 17 tons character was trampled by Kaneki, so his stronger version is just fodder for the one-eyed king form and even more so kakuja

Ion get this, so multiple versions of kaneki is a part of the scaling chain not just the kaneki being used here?

 

[Sero]

Doesn't Prime one shot lol.

MY QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I think Optimus is okay to use. It's just that all the characters he has faced are on the lower end of 8-B.

 

[Sero]

True, also no one answered my question about if RPL affects LT

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Ugh, these scaling chain for Optimus made my brain hurt so much

 

[azontr]

Alright. My vote goes to Optimus due to his upscaling being waaaaayyyyyy higher than Kaneki's, and apparently the scaling chain showed for Ken doesn't even apply for the key being used lol.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

1 for Prime.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Ugh, these scaling chain for Optimus made my brain hurt so much

It's not even that confusing. It's Optimus > Ironhide (75 Tons) = Base Starscream (One-Shot) > Blackout (Stomps Drones in groups) > Drones (34 Tons).

 

[Sero]

Ugh, these scaling chain for Optimus made my brain hurt so much

Both fighters have huge scaling chains sadly....

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

In any case, I'm voting for Optimus FRA.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

It's not even that confusing. It's Optimus > Ironhide = Base Starscream (One-Shot) > Blackout (Stomps Drones in groups) > Drones (34 Tons).

I'm still not understand aaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!!

 

[Razor]

I'm voting prime as well

 

[Sero]

They have the same lifting strength....does reactive power level raise kanaki's lifting strength?

So does it?

 

[azontr]

So does it?

Why does LS matter?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

They have the same lifting strength....does reactive power level raise kanaki's lifting strength?

Someone answer Sero's question please.

 

[NikHelton]

Ion get this, so multiple versions of kaneki is a part of the scaling chain not just the kaneki being used here?

Yes. Kaneki has such a strange chain consisting of himself, because he is constantly getting stronger as the story progresses, but is often trampled by stronger characters.
Kaneki defeating 17 tons with one punch and Kaneki before his transformation into a Dragon is just earth and sky

 

[Razor]

Yes. Kaneki has such a strange chain consisting of himself, because he is constantly getting stronger as the story progresses, but is often trampled by stronger characters.
Kaneki defeating 17 tons with one punch and Kaneki before his transformation into a Dragon is just earth and sky

In that case the scaling chain is invalid then, as kaneki is restricted to one form here

 

[Popted2]

Prime FRA

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Yeah, Kaneki seems outmatched.

He has a few hax that'll make him last a bit longer, but it's not really gonna help, and it's more delaying the inevitable than actually benefiting him.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Tch, win via AP

I really want Kaneki win in this tourney after all of his previous rounds was cancelled, but nope because AP

 

[NikHelton]

The 8-B key does not imply only the form in which it is oneshoted 17 tons. The 8-B key includes the One-Eyed King and ends with his transformation into a Dragon

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yes, i'm salty

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Looks like @Sero plot armor has run out.

 

[Sero]

Why does LS matter?

i was thinking with Ken's small size compared to Optimus along with his agility and power mimicry, he could maybe choke optimus out.....that is if he can even be chocked

 

[NikHelton]

Someone answer Sero's question please.

Probably yes, because reactive evolution is an increase in the number of RC channels that are directly related to the force

 

[azontr]

i was thinking with Ken's small size compared to Optimus along with his agility and power mimicry, he could maybe choke optimus out.....that is if he can even be chocked

Optimus Prime is a robot lol. You put the pieces together from there.