Fairy Tail: Huge Multipliers and Scaling Revisions (Because a certain someone just couldn't leave well enough alone)

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Ok, so there's been some issues brought up that need to be addressed, so I'm gonna go over everything that needs to change

X784 Natsu, GMG Sting, GMG Rogue, and X792 Gajeel Dragon Force Multiplier

X784 Natsu, GMG Sting, GMG Rogue, and X792 Gajeel all have initial Dragon Force Multipliers that will be made 3x to AP and Durability based on the below

Natsu states that that his Dragon Force in X784 is 2 to 3 times his normal power, with him getting even stronger than this initial Dragon Force power by the end of the fight

Both Erza and Jellal suggest the Dragon Force Sting and Rogue use is the same kind of power as X784 Natsu's Dragon Force, so they get the 3x Multiplier as well

Gajeel's Dragon Force should be a 3x Amp to AP and Durability as Dragon Force is the final state of Dragon Slayer Magic and scales above all the regular stat amps it grants, such as Gajeel's Iron Dragon's Scales, which give him a several times increase in power. So his Dragon Force scales above a confirmed 3x multiplier

Sadly they have no confirmed speed multiplier

X791-X793 Wendy Dragon Force Multiplier

Wendy's Dragon Force will stay a 4x amp to all stats based on reasoning from this CRT

X791-X793 Natsu Dragon Force Multiplier

X791-X793 Natsu's Dragon Force has the strongest and most advanced Dragon Force we know of, so his Dragon Force should scale above Wendy's 4x amp to all stats

X792-X793 Fire Dragon King Mode Multiplier

As we know, in X792 Base Natsu and Base Gajeel are comparable and can fight Mid level Spriggans with a bit of trouble. Gajeel's Dragon Force, which would be 3x above his Base was capable of defeating Bloodman with many punches, meanwhile Fire Dragon King Mode was capable of completely one-shotting Jacob. This would make Fire Dragon King Mode far above an Initial Dragon Force as an Amp and easily above Iron Dragon's Scales as an Amp, so Fire Dragon King Mode becomes a 4x amp to AP and Durability.

X784 Lightning Fire Dragon Mode and Dragon Force Comparison

Ok, so we currently scale Dragon Force Natsu to Lightning Fire Dragon Mode because Erza said that Lightning Fire Dragon Mode is like when Natsu used Dragon Force. But that isn't really a comparison of power, it's just a comparison of how Natsu powered up when consuming an element other than his own in both occasions. This is supported by their feats. Base Natsu was doing ok against Zero alone and then was equal to Zero with Dragon Force (Read Chapter 159 to Chapter 161). But then, Base Natsu with help from 4 other peiople was fodder to Base Hades and with LFDM, he stomped Base Hades (Read Chapter 243 to Chapter 246). So LFDM gave Natsu a far greater amp than Dragon Force did, meaning they aren't comparable and don't scale to each other.

X784 Jellal Changes

Ok, so Jellal scaling to Dragon Force Natsu doesn't entirely work, his shit kinda got wrecked by him, but luckily we do have quite clear scaling for Jellal. While weakened, Jellal did manage to make Natsu 3x stronger with the Flame of Rebuke, meaning in this weakened state, he produced 2x Base Natsu's regular power. So this makes a full power Jellal at least 2x stronger than Base Natsu. Now this is supported because Base Natsu actually doesn't do half bad against Jellal and manages to keep up with him somewhat.

X784 Erza Changes

While weakened, CHC Erza manages to rather easily overpower and defeat an equally weakened Jellal (Read Chapter 92 to Chapter 93), so this should make her full power relative to Jellal's full power and her CHC would be scaling to at least 2x Base Natsu. This is supported by how she could one-shot Aria with her Heaven's Wheel Armor even while weakened, and she was also stated to be a Wizard on par with the Wizard Saints, which should make her somewhat comparable to people like Jellal. In terms of her comparison to Jose, yes he did call her strong, yes she was weakened, but you know what? Jose wasn't taking her seriously, he wasn't going all out. He was basically toying with her. Jose only got serious when Makarov came around. So yeah, that's the last I want to hear of that.

X784 Laxus Changes

So a certain someone has complained that Laxus scales too far above Base Natsu and Base Gajeel based on how their fight went, and to an extent, that is correct. But the issue is that Base Natsu has no right being anywhere near Base Hades, so there were issues before. But this can be easily fixed, we split X784 Laxus into two keys, one for his Fightning Festival Arc and one for his Tenrou Island Arc. Now this is directly supported as Erza blatantly implies Laxus has gotten stronger than before. So Fightning Festival Laxus will be scaled above X784 Erza for pretty easily fighting her and also how he believed that himself and Mystogan, appart from Gildarts of course. Tenrou Island Laxus of course scales above Makarov and to Base Hades.

Grand Magic Games Arc Dragon Force Sting and Rogue

They just shouldn't scale to 1/2 of Base Natsu, Base Natsu's full power completely overwhelmed their combined attack, so they'll just scale 3x above their Base Forms

Conclusion

Ok, so that's everything in total, so what are the changes? These are the major changes, obviously this applies to people who scale to those below

X784:

Attack Potency
Base Natsu = 2.6 Megatons (Based off of scaling to Zancrow, Ultear, and Gray)
Jellal = At least 5.2 Megatons (Via producing 2x Base Natsu's power while weakened)
Strongest Armors Erza = At least 5.2 Megatons (Via easily overpowering and defeating a weakened Jellal while she herself weakened. Stated to be a Wizard Saint level person)
Jura = At least 5.2 Megatons (Stated to be a Wizard Saint level person and should therefore be comparable to Erza)
Ikaruga = At least 5.2 Megatons (Fought and overpowered Strongest Armors Erza)
Azuma = At least 5.2 Megatons (Fought and matched CHC Erza)
Bacchus = At least 5.2 Megatons (Fought and matched Full Power Erza)
Fightning Festival Laxus = 6.3 Megatons (Via scaling above Erza)
Dragon Force Natsu = 7.8 Megatons (Via being 3x above his Base Form)
Tenrou Island Laxus = 30.9 Megatons (Via fighting Base Hades and taking his attacks. Also via being stronger than Makarov)
Lightning Fire Dragon Mode Natsu = 30.9 Megatons (Via stomping Base Hades)

Speed
Base Natsu = 2% SoL (Via scaling to Base Gajeel)
Fightning Festival Laxus = At least 2% SoL (Via being far above Base Natsu)
Tenrou Island Laxus = At least 8% SoL (Via keeping up with Base Hades, who scales to Hades Form Franmalth, who kept up with X791 Base Natsu)
Lightning Fire Dragon Mode Natsu = At least 8% SoL (Via keeping up with Base Hades, who scales to Hades Form Franmalth, who kept up with X791 Base Natsu)

X791

Attack Potency
Max = 2.6 Megatons (Overpowered and defeated X784 Base Natsu)
GMG Base Sting = At least 2.6 Megatons (Via scaling far above Max)
GMG Base Rogue = At least 2.6 Megatons (Via scaling far above Max)
GMG Dragon Force Sting = At least 7.8 Megatons (Via being 3x above his Base Form)
GMG Dragon Force Rogue = At least 7.8 Megatons (Via being 3x above his Base Form)
Base Jackal = At least 7.8 Megatons (Via scaling above GMG Dragon Force Sting and Rogue since he did way better against Base Natsu)
Base Franmalth = At least 7.8 Megatons (Via scaling above GMG Dragon Force Sting and Rogue since he did way better against Base Natsu)
Lucy = At least 7.8 Megatons (Her Spirits fought fairly well against Base Jackal and a pretty casual Base Torafuzar. She herself took many attacks from Base Jackal)
Juvia = At least 7.8 Megatons (Clashed evenly with Lucy's Strongest Spirits)
Sherria = At least 7.8 Megatons (Fought and matched Juvia)
Base Wendy = At least 7.8 Megatons (Fought and matched Sherria)
Base Ezel = At least 31.2 Megatons (Far stronger than a Base Wendy who amped herself by at least 4x)
Lucy's Urano Metria = At least 15.6 Megatons (Via being 2x above her Base Form)
Dragon Force Wendy = At least 31.2 Megatons (Via being 3x above her Base Form)

Speed
Max = 2% SoL (Outsped X784 Base Natsu)
Base Wendy = At least 2% SoL (Via being far above her X784 Base Form)
Base Ezel = At least 8% SoL (Far faster than a Base Wendy who amped herself by at least 4x)
Dragon Force Wendy = At least 8% SoL (Via being 4x above her Base Form)
Base Mard Geer = At least 8% SoL (Even while casual, he's far faster than Etherious Form Ezel's Speed)
Base Natsu = At least 8% SoL (Kept up with both a casual Base Mard Geer and eventually a serious Base Mard Geer)
Dragon Force Natsu = At least 32% SoL (Via being 4x above his Base Form)

X792

Attack Potency
Alvarez Soldiers = At least 69 Megatons (Wendy says they're above "Anything she's ever fought", they're scaling above the Eclipse Dragons, cope haters)
Base Wendy = Likely 2.2 Petatons (Via being 1/2 of Spriggans via non-multiplier means)
Base Natsu = 4.435 Petatons (Via scaling to Base Spriggans)
Base Gajeel = 4.435 Petatons (Via scaling to Base Spriggans)
Base Sting = 4.435 Petatons (Via scaling to Base Spriggans)
Dragon Force Wendy = 8.8 Petatons (Via being 4x above her Base Form)
Dragon Force Gajeel = 13.31 Petatons (Via being 3x above his Base Form)
Fire Dragon King Mode Natsu = 17.74 Petatons (Via being 4x above his Base Form)
White Shadow Dragon Force Sting = 26.61 Petatons (Via being 6x above his Base Form)
Larcade = 26.61 Petatons (Scales to White Shadow Dragon Force Sting)
Base Irene = At least 26.61 Petatons (Scales above Larcade)
Base August = At least 26.61 Petatons (Scales above Larcade)
Dragon Form Irene = At least 887 Petatons (Scales to 100x that of Wendy Belserion)
Ultimate Magic Form August = At least 887 Petatons (Scales above Dragon Form Irene)
Igneel's Power Natsu = 1.38 Yottatons (Scales to Base Zeref)
Dragon Force Natsu = 1.38 Yottatons (Scales to Base Zeref)
Fire Dragon King Mode Igneel's Power Natsu = 5.52 Yottatons (Via being 4x above his Dragon Force)
Fire Dragon King Mode Dragon Force Natsu = 5.52 Yottatons (Via being 4x above his Dragon Force)
Savage Dragon Fire Form Natsu = At least 5.52 Yottatons (Via being above his Fire Dragon King Mode Dragon Force Natsu)
Pre-SBT Dragon Form Acnologia = At least 5.52 Yottatons (Scales to Savage Dragon Fire Form Natsu)
Seven Fire Dragons Mode Natsu = At least 22.08 Yottatons (Via being 4x above his Savage Dragon Fire Form)

Speed
Base Spriggans = 10% SoL (Via scaling far above Etherious Form Mard Geer)
Base Natsu = 10% SoL (Far faster than his X792 Base Form and via scaling to Base Spriggans)
Base Wendy = 10% SoL (Via scaling to Base Spriggans)
Base Gajeel = 10% SoL (Via scaling to Base Spriggans)
Base Sting = 10% SoL (Via scaling to Base Spriggans)
Dragon Force Wendy = At least 40% SoL (Via being 4x above her Base Form)
Dragon Force Gajeel = At least 40% SoL (Blitzed a Transformed Spriggan, whereas Dragon Force Wendy couldn't)
Fire Dragon King Mode Natsu = At least 40% SoL (Scales above Dragon Force Gajeel)
God Soul Dimaria = At least 40% SoL (Kept up with Dragon Force Wendy)
Larcade = At least 40% SoL (Faster than God Soul Dimaria)
White Shadow Dragon Force Sting = At least 40% SoL (Kept up with Larcade)
Base Irene = At least 40% SoL (Scale above Larcade)
Base Zeref = 50% SoL (Scales far above Dragon Form Irene)
Seven Fire Dragons Mode Natsu = 121.36 C (Via being 4x above his Savage Dragon Fire Form)

X793

Attack Potency
Pre-Elentear Base Wendy = 2.2 Petatons (Via being above her X792 Base Form)
Pre-Elentear Dragon Force Wendy = 8.8 Petatons (Via being 4x above her Base Form)
Wendy Belserion = At least 8.8 Petatons (Scales above her Dragon Force)
Devil Slayer Mark Gray = 17.74 Petatons (Via being his previous Evolved Devil Slayer Mark, which scales to END Form Natsu, who scales to X792 Fire Dragon King Mode Natsu)
Pre-Elentear Base Natsu = 17.74 Petatons (Via scaling to Skullion, who scales to Devil Slayer Mark Gray)
Star Dress Lucy = 17.74 Petatons (Scales to Base Natsu level people)
Pre-Elentear Lightning Fire Dragon Mode Natsu = 53.22 Petatons (Via scaling to Yokai Lucy, who is 3x above her Star Dresses)
Post-Elentear Base Natsu = At most 675 Zettatons (Via being at most 1/4 of his Fire Dragon King Mode)
Post-Elentear Fire Dragon King Mode Natsu = 2.7 Yottatons (Scales to Suzaku and Selene's Moon Feat)

Speed
Pre-Elentear Dragon Force Wendy = At least 40% SoL (Scales above her X792 Dragon Force)
Pre-Elentear Base Natsu = At least 40% SoL (Scales above Dragon Force Wendy)
Post-Elentear Base Wendy = 99% SoL (Scales slightly below Haku)
Post-Elentear Dragon Force Wendy = 3.96 C (Via being 3x above her Base Form)

Yeah, so a lot does stay the same now, I was just really tired last night when I was making this and made some mistakes, so yeah, I apologize for that

 

[CloverDragon03]

Yeah, I went through this with you. This looks good

 

[KingTempest]

I already agree and I didn't even read anything yet

Jk lemme read

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me, well done.

 

[KingTempest]

Damn

Looks good

 

[14405User]

downgrade?

 

[Popted2]

agree with everything

 

[Eseseso]

Looks good to me. The scaling is far more consistent than before, especially stuff like Laxus getting stronger over time.

Well done, Mitch. 10/10.

Just one thing: If Jellal managed to make Natsu 3x stronger with the flames of Rebuke, shouldn't he scale to 3x Natsu?

Also Post Elentear Base Natsu is now 900 zettatons instead of 675, so there was one upgrade, which makes this false advertising, so 0/10

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Looks good to me. The scaling is far more consistent than before, especially stuff like Laxus getting stronger over time.

Well done, Mitch. 10/10.

Just one thing: If Jellal managed to make Natsu 3x stronger with the flames of Rebuke, shouldn't he scale to 3x Natsu?

Base Natsu = 1

Jellal = 2

Jellal gave his 2 to Natsu to make him 3

 

[Eseseso]

Base Natsu = 1

Jellal = 2

Jellal gave his 2 to Natsu to make him 3

Ah, ok, my mistake.

Rest looks great though (although you lied to me about there being no upgrades since Post-Elentear Base Natsu is now stronger [from 675 to 900 zettatons] so shame on you)

 

[BlackeJan]

I honestly disagree throwing out Wendy’s 2x buff especially when the official translation said something about her “doubling” with those spells

 

[BlackeJan]

But then, Base Natsu with help from 4 other peiople was fodder to Base Hades and with LFDM, he stomped Base Hades (Read Chapter 243 to Chapter 246). So LFDM gave Natsu a far greater amp than Dragon Force did, meaning they aren't comparable and don't scale to each other.

Well ya are comparing Base Natsu from different arcs when he should had gotten stronger

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Wendy’s DF being a 4x buff is dependent on whether or not you believe that “Deus Eques” scales above the “Ille Spells” as an amp

Frankly I’m still neutral on this

 

[SamanPatou]

The op makes sense.

 

[Eseseso]

Wendy’s DF being a 4x buff is dependent on whether or not you believe that “Deus Eques” scales above the “Ille Spells” as an amp

Frankly I’m still neutral on this

The 3x stuff is honestly way more consistent and reliable than the Wendy stuff IMO.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I honestly disagree throwing out Wendy’s 2x buff especially when the official translation said something about her “doubling” with those spells

That’s referring to how her Ile spells double her stats, which we’ve already accounted for. Deus Eques is an unquantifiable amp tho

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

OP looks good. Good job.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Alright so I managed to get the wiki working on my phone (still dead on the pc tho).

First things first, we already accept the fact that Natsu being serious > Natsu's normal performance and even have a statement from Erza telling us this. Time to add it.

Second, Deus > normal Enchantments so we should still retain the x2 for Deus Eques and therefore the x4 for Wendy's DF. That shit got accepted for a reason. We just won't scale Sting and Rogue's DF to it since they have no comparisons to any DF so they would just scale to Natsu's OG DF which is x2-x3 since DF would at least be above x2 as Wendy and Gajeel both have access to x2 amps with a single spell already. It's just consistent across the board for DF to at least be comparable to Nirvana DF's buff. Natsu's DF are pretty much all more impressive than an at least x4 past Tartaros so it high key doesn't matter for him.

CHC Erza pre SO (cuz she only used it against Minerva) smacked Kagura who destroyed Adamantine Erza = Jupiter which can harm big boi Makarov, tho its obviously weaker than him. Note that this would only scale to Tenrou Erza since she blatantly outperforms herself from earlier in the series as she says serious Natsu would be as strong or stronger than her in Phantom. This also doesn't cause problems with Hades smacking Team Natsu since Erza (being 27.3 at best) and the whole squad still gets folded by Hades who no diffed Makarov who is also 27.3.

Serious Natsu should be >= CHC Erza during Phantom and ToH since she just straight up says he is as strong or stronger than her if he gets serious. Nobody scales to him besides a full power Jellal since serious Natsu was already weakened against literally everyone else he fights in X784 by the time he got to them.

Gajeel's DF is x3 or x4 depending on whether you take his Iron Scales as a x2 or x3 amp. If you go with the latter, anyone who scales to the 5.2s below become 7.8, Jellal becomes 15.6 and Etherion DF Natsu becomes 23.4

To sumarise:
84 Erza gets two keys

1. Everything up to Edolas where she is 2.6 with base armors and 5.2 with her strongest armors for being relative to a weakened Jellal = at least 5.2
2. Tenrou Erza is the same as before but 27.3 with Armadura and CHC for beating Kagura

Jellal is at least 10.4 since Siegrain was a WS >=ToH CHC Erza and Jellal without Siegrain = ToH CHC Erza = 5.2. This is backed up by Nirvana Jellal (after being injured) using most of his magic for the Square of Self-Destruction (at least half of his power) was still able to amp Natsu x3. Don't think I really need to argue that all of Jellal's magic at that point was at least equal to half of one of his full power attacks.

Specifically a Serious Natsu who wasn't injured and completely exhausted because he really should have this.

1. At least 5.2 based on scaling to Erza and beating Iron Scales Gajeel (who is also 5.2) while weakened
2. Etherion DF is x3 = 15.6 since he didn't get weakened at all in ToH since he only fought ... Fukuro.

Hades is at least 30.91 because Franmalth and stomping Makarov = 27.3. Devil Eye makes him > Bluenote and Gildarts based on Team Natsu's statement. Don't recall anything that says base Hades > Bluenote besides I think an anime statement for Tenrou Laxus but that would be non-canon.

Bluenote and Gildarts = GMG Jura based on Makarov's statement.

X791
Kagura is 27.3 for instantly destroying the Adamantine Armor so she would scale above Jupiter which took considerably longer to destroy the Adamantine Armor

Minerva scales to Kagura and Tenrou CHC

Bacchus scales to Erza, Pre Tenrou or Tenrou CHC doesn't matter since the only people who scale to his AP are GMG Ichiya (who lost to Jura) and Lizardman Elfman's dura (that we never see again).

Because I have gotten lazy at typing and don't want to continue anymore, I agree with Mitch and Gamer in regards to the scaling between everything else. Only things would be DF multipliers (and the shit that scales to them) post X791 being x4 for Wendy and Gajeel, depending on whether or not his Iron Scales are a x3 amp. If they aren't, my only contention is Wendy's DF multiplier and whatever I listed above and the results they would entail.

And yes that last bit was my laziness shining through even more.

 

[Eseseso]

Alright so I managed to get the wiki working on my phone (still dead on the pc tho).

First things first, we already accept the fact that Natsu being serious > Natsu's normal performance and even have a statement from Erza telling us this. Time to add it.

Second, Deus > normal Enchantments so we should still retain the x2 for Deus Eques and therefore the x4 for Wendy's DF. That shit got accepted for a reason. We just won't scale Sting and Rogue's DF to it since they have no comparisons to any DF so they would just scale to Natsu's OG DF which is x2-x3 since DF would at least be above x2 as Wendy and Gajeel both have access to x2 amps with a single spell already. It's just consistent across the board for DF to at least be comparable to Nirvana DF's buff. Natsu's DF are pretty much all more impressive than an at least x4 past Tartaros so it high key doesn't matter for him.

CHC Erza pre SO (cuz she only used it against Minerva) smacked Kagura who destroyed Adamantine Erza = Jupiter which can harm big boi Makarov, tho its obviously weaker than him. Note that this would only scale to Tenrou Erza since she blatantly outperforms herself from earlier in the series as she says serious Natsu would be as strong or stronger than her in Phantom. This also doesn't cause problems with Hades smacking Team Natsu since Erza (being 27.3 at best) and the whole squad still gets folded by Hades who no diffed Makarov who is also 27.3.

Serious Natsu should be >= CHC Erza during Phantom and ToH since she just straight up says he is as strong or stronger than her if he gets serious. Nobody scales to him besides a full power Jellal since serious Natsu was already weakened against literally everyone else he fights in X784 by the time he got to them.

Gajeel's DF is x3 or x4 depending on whether you take his Iron Scales as a x2 or x3 amp. If you go with the latter, anyone who scales to the 5.2s below become 7.8, Jellal becomes 15.6 and Etherion DF Natsu becomes 23.4

To sumarise:
84 Erza gets two keys

1. Everything up to Edolas where she is 2.6 with base armors and 5.2 with her strongest armors for being relative to a weakened Jellal = at least 5.2
2. Tenrou Erza is the same as before but 27.3 with Armadura and CHC for beating Kag

Why would Tenrou Erza be 27.3 megatons for something her X791 self did?

Bruh.

 

[Eseseso]

Also, since Zeref in Base is equal to the Phoenix, which was stated to be capable of destroying the Fairy Tail world like 3 times (which Mitch already calced to be 2.3 yottatons), would it be possible to scale Base Zeref to that?

Also, would it be possible to make a second key for 100 YQ Natsu between the beginning of 100YQ and Elentear (for the Aldoron Arc), since his DF matched a 40% Aldoron (who is 2.16 yottatons, aka 40% of 5.4 yottatons), so Base Aldoron-Arc Natsu would be 720 zettatons?


It wouldn't affect anyone else other than 100YQ Gajeel (who fought Natsu), I don't think.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Alright so I managed to get the wiki working on my phone (still dead on the pc tho).

First things first, we already accept the fact that Natsu being serious > Natsu's normal performance and even have a statement from Erza telling us this. Time to add it.

Eh, not really necesarry IMO

Second, Deus > normal Enchantments so we should still retain the x2 for Deus Eques and therefore the x4 for Wendy's DF. That shit got accepted for a reason. We just won't scale Sting and Rogue's DF to it since they have no comparisons to any DF so they would just scale to Natsu's OG DF which is x2-x3 since DF would at least be above x2 as Wendy and Gajeel both have access to x2 amps with a single spell already. It's just consistent across the board for DF to at least be comparable to Nirvana DF's buff. Natsu's DF are pretty much all more impressive than an at least x4 past Tartaros so it high key doesn't matter for him.

I can agree to this, I was rather tired last night when I made the CRT, so I wasn't exactly remembering about the Enchantments stuff, cause Deus spells makes something a higher level of Enchantment, so yay, we can keep the 2x and 4x for Wendy's Enchantments and Dragon Force

I can also agree that fodder DF get the 3x to AP and Durability as Jellal specifically compares the Dragon Force Sting and Rogue used to the form he witnessed when he fought Natsu, so Sting and Rogue's Dragon Force is compared to Natsu's, so giving them the 3x should be fine

CHC Erza pre SO (cuz she only used it against Minerva) smacked Kagura who destroyed Adamantine Erza = Jupiter which can harm big boi Makarov, tho its obviously weaker than him. Note that this would only scale to Tenrou Erza since she blatantly outperforms herself from earlier in the series as she says serious Natsu would be as strong or stronger than her in Phantom. This also doesn't cause problems with Hades smacking Team Natsu since Erza (being 27.3 at best) and the whole squad still gets folded by Hades who no diffed Makarov who is also 27.3.

Disagree with this, Tenrou Island Erza is distinctly different from GMG Erza in terms of power. The Key of the Starry Night Arc had happened and she had already been through an entire day of training on the Beach. Without Armor and with her weaker Armors, she's was capable matching Minerva and a casual Kagura, both of which are way above Makarov at this point, so I don't agree with the two being the same.

Serious Natsu should be >= CHC Erza during Phantom and ToH since she just straight up says he is as strong or stronger than her if he gets serious.

Disagree, because CHC Erza didn't have Feats until the ToH, that could have been brand new power for her for all we know. Besides Erza can't scale to 2x Base Natsu and then Base Natsu also scales to 2x his Base Form. Base Natsu is the source of the 2.6 Megatons.

Nobody scales to him besides a full power Jellal since serious Natsu was already weakened against literally everyone else he fights in X784 by the time he got to them.

Weakened Jellal is already 2x above Base Natsu, so yeah

Gajeel's DF is x3 or x4 depending on whether you take his Iron Scales as a x2 or x3 amp. If you go with the latter, anyone who scales to the 5.2s below become 7.8, Jellal becomes 15.6 and Etherion DF Natsu becomes 23.4

Yeah no... Base Gajeel = Base Natsu

To sumarise:
84 Erza gets two keys

1. Everything up to Edolas where she is 2.6 with base armors and 5.2 with her strongest armors for being relative to a weakened Jellal = at least 5.2
2. Tenrou Erza is the same as before but 27.3 with Armadura and CHC for beating Kagura

Disagree for reasons above since I disagree with Tenrou Island Erza being 27.3 Megatons

Jellal is at least 10.4 since Siegrain was a WS >=ToH CHC Erza and Jellal without Siegrain = ToH CHC Erza = 5.2. This is backed up by Nirvana Jellal (after being injured) using most of his magic for the Square of Self-Destruction (at least half of his power) was still able to amp Natsu x3. Don't think I really need to argue that all of Jellal's magic at that point was at least equal to half of one of his full power attacks.

Disagree for reasons above since I disagree with Tenrou Island Erza being 27.3 Megatons

Specifically a Serious Natsu who wasn't injured and completely exhausted because he really should have this.

1. At least 5.2 based on scaling to Erza and beating Iron Scales Gajeel (who is also 5.2) while weakened
2. Etherion DF is x3 = 15.6 since he didn't get weakened at all in ToH since he only fought ... Fukuro.

Base Natsu is the source of the 2.6 Megatons, so no

Hades is at least 30.91 because Franmalth and stomping Makarov = 27.3. Devil Eye makes him > Bluenote and Gildarts based on Team Natsu's statement. Don't recall anything that says base Hades > Bluenote besides I think an anime statement for Tenrou Laxus but that would be non-canon.

Bluenote and Gildarts = GMG Jura based on Makarov's statement.

This is already accepted and applied, so this is fine

X791
Kagura is 27.3 for instantly destroying the Adamantine Armor so she would scale above Jupiter which took considerably longer to destroy the Adamantine Armor

Kagura is 53.15 Megatons via scaling to Strongest Armors Erza

Minerva scales to Kagura and Tenrou CHC

Minerva scales to a casual Kagura and Base Erza

Bacchus scales to Erza, Pre Tenrou or Tenrou CHC doesn't matter since the only people who scale to his AP are GMG Ichiya (who lost to Jura) and Lizardman Elfman's dura (that we never see again)

Yeah

Because I have gotten lazy at typing and don't want to continue anymore, I agree with Mitch and Gamer in regards to the scaling between everything else. Only things would be DF multipliers (and the shit that scales to them) post X791 being x4 for Wendy and Gajeel, depending on whether or not his Iron Scales are a x3 amp. If they aren't, my only contention is Wendy's DF multiplier and whatever I listed above and the results they would entail.

Agreed

 

[Eseseso]

Should we put Gajeel as "Low 7-B up to 7-B with Iron Dragon Scales" since they're a 3x multiplier?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Should we put Gajeel as "Low 7-B up to 7-B with Iron Dragon Scales" since they're a 3x multiplier?

It's not that simple, because Base Gajeel's scaling comes from Base Natsu to begin with

Gajeel's Roar is equal to Natsu's Roar, but Gajeel amped his punches by 3x to match Natsu's punches

So it's more like Base Gajeel's regular punches are several times weaker than Base Natsu, but I suppose we could mention that I guess

 

[Damage3245]

Sure, OP looks fine.

 

[Eseseso]

It's not that simple, because Base Gajeel's scaling comes from Base Natsu to begin with

Gajeel's Roar is equal to Natsu's Roar, but Gajeel amped his punches by 3x to match Natsu's punches

So it's more like Base Gajeel's regular punches are several times weaker than Base Natsu, but I suppose we could mention that I guess

Didn't Natsu have to use a Dragon Slayer Secret Art attack to beat Gajeel's Scales?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

@Essesso

Not the the CRT for this

 

[CloverDragon03]

I'm seeing that Gajeel's DF boosts his AP by 3x and his speed by 4x. The logic is fair enough but given that his DF is significantly above his Iron Dragon Scales, which themselves are at least 3x, wouldn't it make sense to boost his AP by 4x too especially since it boosts his speed by that amount?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I'm seeing that Gajeel's DF boosts his AP by 3x and his speed by 4x. The logic is fair enough but given that his DF is significantly above his Iron Dragon Scales, which themselves are at least 3x, wouldn't it make sense to boost his AP by 4x too especially since it boosts his speed by that amount?

That's fine I guess, frankly it's not a huge difference whether it's 3x or 4x

So I don't care in general

 

[KingTempest]

new OP looks fine

 

[Eseseso]

@Essesso

Not the the CRT for this

Gotcha.

I'll make the CRT as soon as this one wraps up.

 

[SamanPatou]

I disagree with considering Gajeel's DF being 4x just because it's superior to a 3x amp, for what's worth it could be a 3.2x, 3.3x etc.., setting a number is just arbitrary.

 

[Eseseso]

Also, since Strongest Armor Erza easily beat Jellal when they were equally weakened, shouldn't this let Strongest Armor Erza upscale to baseline 7-B?

The multiplier between 6.3 and 5.2 megatons is only 1.211x.

It's supported by how the Jellal that tripled Natsu's power with DF was weakened when he gave Natsu fire, so 5.2 megatons isn't for a healthy Jellal, just a weakened one.

Also, IIRC CHC Erza one shot the same Ikugara who easily beat Strongest Armor Erza.


Also since Wendy's DF multiplier is still 4x shouldn't Dragon Irene still scale to 887 petatons?

 

[CloverDragon03]

I disagree with considering Gajeel's DF being 4x just because it's superior to a 3x amp, for what's worth it could be a 3.2x, 3.3x etc.., setting a number is just arbitrary.

It's not just that. First off, 3x is the bare minimum, and it's also much too strong to be considered just a 3.2x, 3.3x, etc. given Gajeel struggled against Bloodman even with the Scales whereas DF stomped Bloodman. Also compounding this is that it's already a 4x amp for speed, so a 4x boost isn't unfounded

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Also, since Strongest Armor Erza easily beat Jellal when they were equally weakened, shouldn't this let Strongest Armor Erza upscale to baseline 7-B?

The multiplier between 6.3 and 5.2 megatons is only 1.211x.

It's supported by how the Jellal that tripled Natsu's power with DF was weakened when he gave Natsu fire, so 5.2 megatons isn't for a healthy Jellal, just a weakened one.

Also, IIRC CHC Erza one shot the same Ikugara who easily beat Strongest Armor Erza.

No, stop trying to upscale and backscale everything

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Updated OP looks good to me.

 

[Eseseso]

No, stop trying to upscale and backscale everything

But how is a heavily weakened and nearly unconscious Jellal (the one that is 2x Base Natsu since that was the Jellal that gave him Dragon Force) less than 1.211x weaker than a fully healthy Jellal?

 

[Eseseso]

Also since Wendy's DF multiplier is still 4x shouldn't Dragon Irene still scale to 887 petatons?

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Ok, so we currently scale Dragon Force Natsu to Lightning Fire Dragon Mode because Erza said that Lightning Fire Dragon Mode is like when Natsu used Dragon Force. But that isn't really a comparison of power, it's just a comparison of how Natsu powered up when consuming an element other than his own in both occasions. This is supported by their feats


******* thank you, never agreed with the reasoning of scaling Initial DF to Initial LFDM when LFDM clearly has better feats and Erza was obviously just comparing the the similar circumstances of an outside amp giving Natsu a new form


Anyways agree with this, seems good

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Ok, so we currently scale Dragon Force Natsu to Lightning Fire Dragon Mode because Erza said that Lightning Fire Dragon Mode is like when Natsu used Dragon Force. But that isn't really a comparison of power, it's just a comparison of how Natsu powered up when consuming an element other than his own in both occasions. This is supported by their feats


******* thank you, never agreed with the reasoning of scaling Initial DF to Initial LFDM when LFDM clearly has better feats and Erza was obviously just comparing the the similar circumstances of an outside amp giving Natsu a new form


Anyways agree with this, seems good

You’re welcome

 

[Eseseso]

Honestly, this CRT fixes so many logic gaps in the verse's scaling.