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heaven's door shuts itself, denying all pokemon from heaven, now giratina gets company forever, pokémon still win
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1 of every pokemon vs 1 of every JJBA stand
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Makes you mad
high heat and shoots lasers
Beats Killer Queen and liquefies people
makes people go insane by touching the user's body
water hand
killer queen sheer heart attack, a bomb that moves around and tracks you
shrinks you
Decaying bacteria
Invisible zombies
Sword that gets smarter and stronger over time and controls people
Blows up a hostage and goes back in time an hour.
If you chase it or see its back, it targets you with calamities
10-D horror that walks around and warps everything up
one hit causes the foe to start spinning out of existence
Song full of Hamon and Spin that erases you.
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Every stand mentioned thus far and quick summary
Survivor - Doesn't do much, it just makes everyone very ******* angry and effectively bloodlusted via small shocks to the brain. Would piss off any grounded Pokemon and make them see red, but besides that.
Cream - Its mouth is a portal to a dark dimension, anything it consumes is disintegrated and dumped into that dark dimension. Except itself, which it can consume as well, turning into a literal void that can't be sensed, seen, or even smelled, which consumes anything it makes contact with. It can fly around and stuff in this state as well, though it's blind while doing this but also doubles as a defense because have fun hitting the dude.
Hanged Man - A Stand that acts as actual light, it moves between reflective surfaces as a small beam of light, once it hits a reflection, it can attack whatever is within the reflection while the Stand itself is safe. If the reflection is taken away tho it must move, and it's vulnerable while moving (assuming you can hit light).
Sun - It's just a mini sun hundreds of meters wide, though it can shoot beams. Not actually worth a damn given Groudon exists.
Blue Hawaii - Any living thing that comes into contact with its body fluid will be taken control of, and aim for a designated target in an attempt to get fluid n them too. Though they are dumb as shit and will ONLY move in a straight line, even if obstacles in a way, often harming themselves in the process. Once taken control of though, the user can give them direct commands, like when he commanded Josuke to tell him shit and was going make him commit suicide.
Geb - It's just a water stand, it's worth nothing here.
BIG - A Stand that is already dead and thus, kinda hard to kill given it can just reform or regenerate, it has the ability to essentially match its speed to the fastest thing in the vicinity + 1, and then makes contact with the fast thing, consuming it. It can assimilate organic matter, as well as energy such as stand energy (a type of spirit energy) or even kinetic and fuel, growing in size and power with the energy consumed. The issue is it's dumb as shit and will target only the fastest thing so it can be tricked.
Green Day - spreads a killer mold, when a living thing lowers in elevation, the mold will burst from them, crumbling their bodies, and then that body will act as a way to extend its AOE and spread further. this in the story enabled the host to quickly spread his mold from a small fishing hamlet to Rome. This also doesn't affect Stands (and things that aren't alive, like the undead Bruno, or ghost Pokemon).
SHA - It's just an ultra-durable mini tank, but given how big stats here, it wont matter.
Green, Green, Grass of Home - Whenever something not enabled tries to get close to the main body, their size is cut in half, this repeats indefinitely, basically making every time you half the distance between you and it, you get shrunk by half, thus extending the distance you need to cover by twice over. tldr, you can never reach the main body. the Stand Body also acts as a singularity point, and direct contact with its grip will shrink and ultimately delete what it touched.
Grateful Dead - Emits a fog that ages things (not in a child to adult sense, but like actual cellular degradation), like a child will become wrinkly and crusty and die type thing. Though the colder your body temp, the slower the process, and something as cold as ice will revert it. AOE is like 150m. Direct contact with the stand can cause aging to death in moments, and the hotter you are, the quicker it happens.
Brain Storm - Microscopic virus things that spread and multiply, causing giant holes to open in bodies and stuff. Big dick range on this too.
Chariot Requiem - Puts every living thing to sleep in an AT LEAST city-wide radius (as big as Rome), the sleep can vary but it's over 6 hours. Once put to sleep, the souls of every creature will be swapped with the closest living thing, and I do mean everything, a dog could swap with a human, a human could swap with a bee, a butterfly could swap with a ******* sea slug. As long as it has a soul, whatever is closest gets swapped. Any spiritual-based powers can not be used to take the arrow from it either, and they will turn back on the foe (it also stops physical shit too ig? Like Gio yeeted a pebble at it, and it ******* get tossed back at his face), This is just a prelude though, in a short time all life on earth will begin to mutate, and become something else. Creatures and new souls will manifest from their body, and the being in question will enter a vegetative state and finally lose their minds. Beyond that idk, he was defeated, but the way to defeat him is a tad tough, unlike most Stands he's actually a completely physical being but he's also the shadow of one's soul, to permanently kill him you need a sacrifice to hit the light of their own soul, doing so will basically get "rid" of the light source but extinguish him as well completely, reverting everything. While this applies to everyone, only one person needs to make a sacrifice to get rid of it.
Limp Bizkit - A stand that revives the dead. It brings back things that have died as invisible (like ultra invisible) zombies. It can even bring itself back. Though If the main body is obliterated as a zombie, they'll like, double die and the ability will cease (though they're way more resilient, the user could even take his head for fun). I guess here it'd be able to bring back any Pokemon that's died as well as any JoJo that's died to help out again, but this time invisible and quite blood lusted.
GER - He banned
Chariot - He's just a standard stand with no real hax, he has a sword and armor, but yeah, stat stomped.
Plat - Extremely powerful, except not here, stat stomped, though he does have the ability to stop time for 5 seconds, and move at MFTL speeds, though he's better off playing support, moving dudes into position, helping dudes dodge shit, gimping enemies by moving them around, etc.
WoU - A Stand that's actually a natural law of the world. It has the passive ability that, whenever someone attempts to "pursue it" (This is broad, it can mean literally, like a chase, or even something as mundane as thinking about going where he is or even just WANTING to fight him.), once activated, a calamity will befall the pursuers, this can vary depending on the severity of the pursue. Though even just trying to get close to him can result in shit like tripping and losing your legs, bumping into something and losing limbs, or a stiff breeze blowing a leaf to slice your fingers off. Bad shit is guaranteed to happen, if it won't, it'll make shit happen. And it's pretty extensive too, Rai's whole 15-year life was just one big ass calamity that ultimately ended with him dying the moment he would have dealt any actual damage. If one damages him somehow, they like straight up get ****** by random shit and die.
The main thing with WoU though is that due to being a law, he's kinda hard to put down because as they say it best, he's just a natural law of the world that will never go away.
He can also appear in multiple places at the same time, change how people see him if they don't understand his true nature, appear invisible to some but not to others, and do a bunch of other wacky minor things.
Bro also got a PhDthat he stole and his own pokemon
Cheap Trick - A Stand that possesses someone, becoming "their stand". If anyone sees that mf's back, their back is ripped off (not via strength mind you, but through supernatural means, the actual stand itself is so weak it can't even lift a bandaid), and then they have their life force drained, shriveling up into a very tiny crusty voodoo-esque corpse.
King Crimson - Has the ability to see into the future up to a dozen-odd seconds, anything it sees becomes a fate that is guaranteed to occur and can not be changed. Which doesn't seem useful, but that's a sub-ability, the main ability is to delete time up to a dozen-odd seconds, in which only it can act (Though he can't interact with anything, he's still cognizant and can reposition himself) in where he sees the actions that have been and will be performed by everything as forecasts (basically afterimages), enabling him to know what will happen, where things will be and thus how to best position himself.
This also has the added benefit of basically making whatever happened in the deleted time frame having not happened (The end result would occur, but not the cause), he can abuse this for example, if he sees that he will die 8 seconds from now, he can skip past his death and be completely fine, or say he gets attacked he can skip the fact that the attack hit him, and instead have it hit the dude behind him. This is pretty busted in group play, as he can just see what will happen, delete anything he doesn't like such as his ally getting giga ****** but can simultaneously ensure any win his team gets is fated to occur once seen. Should mention he can pick how long he deletes time for, but he just can't go over a dozen-odd seconds (He can also use his precog WHILE time is deleted to know what will occur once time resumes and thus pick exactly when to resume or if his plan will play out properly).
Act 4 - Can generate an attack that will last forever, home in on a mf forever until it hits, and if struck you're kinda ****** if it goes through as not even escaping, healing, or moving through numerous universes helped Funny Valentine escape it. This attack has a few bonuses to it, it will unravel you, and effectively deconstruct you, it will also send the remnants into an alternate dimension, and it will also annihilate your soul. Act 4 can also hide in "holes" that spiral down to infinity and hide in the boundary between dimensions, move damage between things, bypass defenses, force those hit to obey the law of physics, and a bunch of other minor shit. He does need a method to generate Infinite Spin like a horse, but if he's manifested already, that means it was already taken care of.
Novel Kars - He's NLF the character, he just steals yo shit but better, the fact every stand is here is gross, because it'd just be giving him the means to make every Stand Ultimate for himself). Novel BTD is also pretty ******* dumb (At least country-wide AOE, will transmute and evaporate anything that learns of Kira automatically and can also rewind time making it so all things broken or killed, including by it, will be fated to die again unless the ability is deactivated), 1 hour long time stop, some diet Lavos immortality and the means to get countless versions of himself, planetary sand manip, etc. (And also stat stomps any nonlegend).
Cube House - A 4-D Construct, it contains a whole space-time squeezed into it, which doesn't mean much, it's mostly a place to hide out as the house can regenerate and if damaged (which tbh, not much can even attempt to do that, it's described as being unbreakable and the ends of the world). It's basically just a very hard-to-destroy house and the inside is an alt dimension, but if you fall through the middle of it, you'll accelerate infinitely and be sent through time and space to wherever you're needed most. It can roll around ig too.
Spaghetti Man - Naked Singularities (Black Holes), but like, actual real black holes none of that fake bullshit (the spaghetti part of the title is derived from the fact they spaghettify shit). These Black Holes can appear all throughout time and space, the past, the future, at any point, at any time, and at any place, and they can do so simultaneously. If one black hole isn't enough, how about two? Or three? Or three hundred? They can warp space to change what they look like too. They're said to be infinitely dense as well (like real black holes wow!), meaning nobody here except Ultra Necro is even destroying one. But, these ain't the actual issue, these black holes are nothing but an automated script, something akin to a shitty auto clicker you'd install for a phone game, created by a higher dimensional monster (stated to exist in one of the ten or more dimensions described in superstring theory above the 3rd dimension, and because of its HDE, they can't even interact with the lad).
Golden Melody - A melody in the Golden Ratio, it basically giga kills all who hear it, destroying even the soul. It's basically Tusk Act 4 but sound.
Censored Equation - A mathematical problem that if solved, basically makes the solver comatose because slenderman or someshit idk, it's weird. Rohan got around it by just writing that he'll forget it like 30 seconds after he solved it, before he solved it, so it aint hard to get around, but he only knew to do that because of victims and just so happened to have the means to.
The Book - Records everything ever the user has experienced, and updates every moment. Basically perfect recall on steroids, the user can essentially re-live anything they've ever done, whether that just be the taste of something, remembering, to even more useful shit like how the dude spent an hour throwing knives randomly till he hit a target and then never missed again because he would just use his Stand to perfectly replicate the experience of not missing, giving him essentially mastery of knife throwing. Of course, this can be used on others too, if someone looks at the text in the book they will experience what is written. The dude makes use of a bad accident he had as a child that he only survived due to being by a hospital at the time where his bones were broken, veins severed, etc, and makes others experience this injury and thus spontaneously gain said wounds and ultimately die (unless youre cool or get immediate treatment).
Has the issue of uh, not working if ya don't actually understand the language written (like a cat wasn't effected, which is to say most pokemon would be fine).
Penelope - Planetary AOE locked rooms, can make locked rooms of shit, whether that be dirt, r even the bodies of others, fusing them. Her most impressive feat was using her ability on like a million zombie skins, fusing them and creating a locked room around Britain, locking out the rest of the world.
BTD (Normal) - See the Kira profile, I wrote that shit out for a reason.
Survivor - Doesn't do much, it just makes everyone very ******* angry and effectively bloodlusted via small shocks to the brain. Would piss off any grounded Pokemon and make them see red, but besides that.
Cream - Its mouth is a portal to a dark dimension, anything it consumes is disintegrated and dumped into that dark dimension. Except itself, which it can consume as well, turning into a literal void that can't be sensed, seen, or even smelled, which consumes anything it makes contact with. It can fly around and stuff in this state as well, though it's blind while doing this but also doubles as a defense because have fun hitting the dude.
Hanged Man - A Stand that acts as actual light, it moves between reflective surfaces as a small beam of light, once it hits a reflection, it can attack whatever is within the reflection while the Stand itself is safe. If the reflection is taken away tho it must move, and it's vulnerable while moving (assuming you can hit light).
Sun - It's just a mini sun hundreds of meters wide, though it can shoot beams. Not actually worth a damn given Groudon exists.
Blue Hawaii - Any living thing that comes into contact with its body fluid will be taken control of, and aim for a designated target in an attempt to get fluid n them too. Though they are dumb as shit and will ONLY move in a straight line, even if obstacles in a way, often harming themselves in the process. Once taken control of though, the user can give them direct commands, like when he commanded Josuke to tell him shit and was going make him commit suicide.
Geb - It's just a water stand, it's worth nothing here.
BIG - A Stand that is already dead and thus, kinda hard to kill given it can just reform or regenerate, it has the ability to essentially match its speed to the fastest thing in the vicinity + 1, and then makes contact with the fast thing, consuming it. It can assimilate organic matter, as well as energy such as stand energy (a type of spirit energy) or even kinetic and fuel, growing in size and power with the energy consumed. The issue is it's dumb as shit and will target only the fastest thing so it can be tricked.
Green Day - spreads a killer mold, when a living thing lowers in elevation, the mold will burst from them, crumbling their bodies, and then that body will act as a way to extend its AOE and spread further. this in the story enabled the host to quickly spread his mold from a small fishing hamlet to Rome. This also doesn't affect Stands (and things that aren't alive, like the undead Bruno, or ghost Pokemon).
SHA - It's just an ultra-durable mini tank, but given how big stats here, it wont matter.
Green, Green, Grass of Home - Whenever something not enabled tries to get close to the main body, their size is cut in half, this repeats indefinitely, basically making every time you half the distance between you and it, you get shrunk by half, thus extending the distance you need to cover by twice over. tldr, you can never reach the main body. the Stand Body also acts as a singularity point, and direct contact with its grip will shrink and ultimately delete what it touched.
Grateful Dead - Emits a fog that ages things (not in a child to adult sense, but like actual cellular degradation), like a child will become wrinkly and crusty and die type thing. Though the colder your body temp, the slower the process, and something as cold as ice will revert it. AOE is like 150m. Direct contact with the stand can cause aging to death in moments, and the hotter you are, the quicker it happens.
Brain Storm - Microscopic virus things that spread and multiply, causing giant holes to open in bodies and stuff. Big dick range on this too.
Chariot Requiem - Puts every living thing to sleep in an AT LEAST city-wide radius (as big as Rome), the sleep can vary but it's over 6 hours. Once put to sleep, the souls of every creature will be swapped with the closest living thing, and I do mean everything, a dog could swap with a human, a human could swap with a bee, a butterfly could swap with a ******* sea slug. As long as it has a soul, whatever is closest gets swapped. Any spiritual-based powers can not be used to take the arrow from it either, and they will turn back on the foe (it also stops physical shit too ig? Like Gio yeeted a pebble at it, and it ******* get tossed back at his face), This is just a prelude though, in a short time all life on earth will begin to mutate, and become something else. Creatures and new souls will manifest from their body, and the being in question will enter a vegetative state and finally lose their minds. Beyond that idk, he was defeated, but the way to defeat him is a tad tough, unlike most Stands he's actually a completely physical being but he's also the shadow of one's soul, to permanently kill him you need a sacrifice to hit the light of their own soul, doing so will basically get "rid" of the light source but extinguish him as well completely, reverting everything. While this applies to everyone, only one person needs to make a sacrifice to get rid of it.
Limp Bizkit - A stand that revives the dead. It brings back things that have died as invisible (like ultra invisible) zombies. It can even bring itself back. Though If the main body is obliterated as a zombie, they'll like, double die and the ability will cease (though they're way more resilient, the user could even take his head for fun). I guess here it'd be able to bring back any Pokemon that's died as well as any JoJo that's died to help out again, but this time invisible and quite blood lusted.
GER - He banned
Chariot - He's just a standard stand with no real hax, he has a sword and armor, but yeah, stat stomped.
Plat - Extremely powerful, except not here, stat stomped, though he does have the ability to stop time for 5 seconds, and move at MFTL speeds, though he's better off playing support, moving dudes into position, helping dudes dodge shit, gimping enemies by moving them around, etc.
WoU - A Stand that's actually a natural law of the world. It has the passive ability that, whenever someone attempts to "pursue it" (This is broad, it can mean literally, like a chase, or even something as mundane as thinking about going where he is or even just WANTING to fight him.), once activated, a calamity will befall the pursuers, this can vary depending on the severity of the pursue. Though even just trying to get close to him can result in shit like tripping and losing your legs, bumping into something and losing limbs, or a stiff breeze blowing a leaf to slice your fingers off. Bad shit is guaranteed to happen, if it won't, it'll make shit happen. And it's pretty extensive too, Rai's whole 15-year life was just one big ass calamity that ultimately ended with him dying the moment he would have dealt any actual damage. If one damages him somehow, they like straight up get ****** by random shit and die.
The main thing with WoU though is that due to being a law, he's kinda hard to put down because as they say it best, he's just a natural law of the world that will never go away.
He can also appear in multiple places at the same time, change how people see him if they don't understand his true nature, appear invisible to some but not to others, and do a bunch of other wacky minor things.
Bro also got a PhD
Cheap Trick - A Stand that possesses someone, becoming "their stand". If anyone sees that mf's back, their back is ripped off (not via strength mind you, but through supernatural means, the actual stand itself is so weak it can't even lift a bandaid), and then they have their life force drained, shriveling up into a very tiny crusty voodoo-esque corpse.
King Crimson - Has the ability to see into the future up to a dozen-odd seconds, anything it sees becomes a fate that is guaranteed to occur and can not be changed. Which doesn't seem useful, but that's a sub-ability, the main ability is to delete time up to a dozen-odd seconds, in which only it can act (Though he can't interact with anything, he's still cognizant and can reposition himself) in where he sees the actions that have been and will be performed by everything as forecasts (basically afterimages), enabling him to know what will happen, where things will be and thus how to best position himself.
This also has the added benefit of basically making whatever happened in the deleted time frame having not happened (The end result would occur, but not the cause), he can abuse this for example, if he sees that he will die 8 seconds from now, he can skip past his death and be completely fine, or say he gets attacked he can skip the fact that the attack hit him, and instead have it hit the dude behind him. This is pretty busted in group play, as he can just see what will happen, delete anything he doesn't like such as his ally getting giga ****** but can simultaneously ensure any win his team gets is fated to occur once seen. Should mention he can pick how long he deletes time for, but he just can't go over a dozen-odd seconds (He can also use his precog WHILE time is deleted to know what will occur once time resumes and thus pick exactly when to resume or if his plan will play out properly).
Act 4 - Can generate an attack that will last forever, home in on a mf forever until it hits, and if struck you're kinda ****** if it goes through as not even escaping, healing, or moving through numerous universes helped Funny Valentine escape it. This attack has a few bonuses to it, it will unravel you, and effectively deconstruct you, it will also send the remnants into an alternate dimension, and it will also annihilate your soul. Act 4 can also hide in "holes" that spiral down to infinity and hide in the boundary between dimensions, move damage between things, bypass defenses, force those hit to obey the law of physics, and a bunch of other minor shit. He does need a method to generate Infinite Spin like a horse, but if he's manifested already, that means it was already taken care of.
Novel Kars - He's NLF the character, he just steals yo shit but better, the fact every stand is here is gross, because it'd just be giving him the means to make every Stand Ultimate for himself). Novel BTD is also pretty ******* dumb (At least country-wide AOE, will transmute and evaporate anything that learns of Kira automatically and can also rewind time making it so all things broken or killed, including by it, will be fated to die again unless the ability is deactivated), 1 hour long time stop, some diet Lavos immortality and the means to get countless versions of himself, planetary sand manip, etc. (And also stat stomps any nonlegend).
Cube House - A 4-D Construct, it contains a whole space-time squeezed into it, which doesn't mean much, it's mostly a place to hide out as the house can regenerate and if damaged (which tbh, not much can even attempt to do that, it's described as being unbreakable and the ends of the world). It's basically just a very hard-to-destroy house and the inside is an alt dimension, but if you fall through the middle of it, you'll accelerate infinitely and be sent through time and space to wherever you're needed most. It can roll around ig too.
Spaghetti Man - Naked Singularities (Black Holes), but like, actual real black holes none of that fake bullshit (the spaghetti part of the title is derived from the fact they spaghettify shit). These Black Holes can appear all throughout time and space, the past, the future, at any point, at any time, and at any place, and they can do so simultaneously. If one black hole isn't enough, how about two? Or three? Or three hundred? They can warp space to change what they look like too. They're said to be infinitely dense as well (like real black holes wow!), meaning nobody here except Ultra Necro is even destroying one. But, these ain't the actual issue, these black holes are nothing but an automated script, something akin to a shitty auto clicker you'd install for a phone game, created by a higher dimensional monster (stated to exist in one of the ten or more dimensions described in superstring theory above the 3rd dimension, and because of its HDE, they can't even interact with the lad).
Golden Melody - A melody in the Golden Ratio, it basically giga kills all who hear it, destroying even the soul. It's basically Tusk Act 4 but sound.
Censored Equation - A mathematical problem that if solved, basically makes the solver comatose because slenderman or someshit idk, it's weird. Rohan got around it by just writing that he'll forget it like 30 seconds after he solved it, before he solved it, so it aint hard to get around, but he only knew to do that because of victims and just so happened to have the means to.
The Book - Records everything ever the user has experienced, and updates every moment. Basically perfect recall on steroids, the user can essentially re-live anything they've ever done, whether that just be the taste of something, remembering, to even more useful shit like how the dude spent an hour throwing knives randomly till he hit a target and then never missed again because he would just use his Stand to perfectly replicate the experience of not missing, giving him essentially mastery of knife throwing. Of course, this can be used on others too, if someone looks at the text in the book they will experience what is written. The dude makes use of a bad accident he had as a child that he only survived due to being by a hospital at the time where his bones were broken, veins severed, etc, and makes others experience this injury and thus spontaneously gain said wounds and ultimately die (unless youre cool or get immediate treatment).
Has the issue of uh, not working if ya don't actually understand the language written (like a cat wasn't effected, which is to say most pokemon would be fine).
Penelope - Planetary AOE locked rooms, can make locked rooms of shit, whether that be dirt, r even the bodies of others, fusing them. Her most impressive feat was using her ability on like a million zombie skins, fusing them and creating a locked room around Britain, locking out the rest of the world.
BTD (Normal) - See the Kira profile, I wrote that shit out for a reason.
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What the **** is this thread, jesus, anyways Darkrai/Cresslia exist and are 2-B/2-A along with the former actually having feats of multiversal scale to just, ******* nuke the universe and kill WoU by proxy, along with Hoopa being a thing who can just mindhax everyone and win via that, along with having the creation trio and lake trio on (essentially) speed dial, also nothing is stopping mons like rayquaza from just dipping into the ozone layer or space and just nuking the planet from there, either killing or incaping every single stand here
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I feel like a lot of these are candidates for bans, especially when most Tier 2 Pokemon are also banned.
Heck, the OP specifies:
- Fight takes place on a square grassy plain (on earth obv) with clear skies.
- The area for the fight is 10km by 10km by 1km (height), so no Deoxys camping. If any pokemon or stand leaves this area they'll be disqualified (except those like Cream who have to exit the area to activate their abilities but can't camp forever because of food limitations).
Aren't like, several of those Stands insta-death with range greater than the specified arena area that if you leave, you're disqualified?
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What about it? Every time he uses it, the act of it being used gets deleted, there, done, easy.
I could list off numerous reasons why that wouldn't ever happen, and that's ignoring him even attempting to do that would proc like a dozen instant kill abilities from dudes like BTD, WoU, or SCR swapping Hoopa's soul with like, venomoth or some shit making it so Hoopa couldn't even if he wanted to because some random ass elephant is in possession of its body instead (Literally Manaphy on crack here, multiplied by a few quadrillion).
Mind hax isn't the answer here, and def not from Hoopa of all things who wouldn't even think to mindhax uh, like what, 250 different things at once?
Hell at least say Mewtwo something.
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what the actual **** is sphaghetti man and what novel is him from, is it a law of the world like wonder of u, or a stand of a higher dimensional entity, or just an entity itself?
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Yeah, and? As I said, ages ago, that nobody seemed to listen to, this whole shit is incompatible.
It's a bunch of tier 8 and 9's with a few extremely broken abilities that make beating them nigh-on impossible, vs a bunch of dudes most can't kill because of stats or a few notable legends.
This thread is actually bad it's just a matter of deleting dudes off one by one to make it fair, except it'd never be fair, and by the end we end up with just Echoes Act 2 vs. Sunkern or some shit.
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eventually we are gonna start throwing pokémon into the jojo side because of fewer numbers
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Rohan Kishibe does not shout.
One of like, 4-5 Thus Spoke Rohan novels.
It's just uh, idk man, a thing, he exists and it "fishes". Rohan does not shout is basically "eldritch horror" the rohan novel. There are other novels too but that one is def going with a theme there. Not to say other ones don't have wacky high end shit, but blud was cooking when they wrote that one.
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actually, wait, how would BTD even matter here, Kira isn't here for someone to learn of his identity for it to even trigger
on WoU fair
SCR would work if we didn't have Darkrai and Cresselia here, both of whom are the actual power units here, and resist the stuff from SCR
Actually, what is the JoJo counter to Darkrai and Cresselia, tier 2 ***** who are either resistant to or can outright ignore hax on the jojo side
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SCR would work regardless? Since when did they resist Soul Hax on a planetary scale? (Literally Manaphy multiplied by quadrillions of times over).
They resist the sleeping aspect, that's it, and that part isn't the issue.
BTD? Novel BTD brother.
And what? Since when did they resist literally every JoJo ability? They don't have HDE or anything. They're just roided out in stats.
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Also, there's some more Pokemon that MIGHT be worth considering for bans.
More if we count PMD Grovyle, Dusknoir, Primal Dialga, protagonists....
Oh & if we allow dubiously non-Pokemon like Dark Matter, the Bittercold, PokeStar Studios machines....
But yeah:
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TL;DR - Eternatus in base, as well as Eternamax spreads Galar Particles, causing all affected to Dynamax & rage uncontrollably & indefinitely -As opposed to typical temporary Dynamaxes- which is notable not just because big & powered up Pokemon -Albeit, their moves are more limited & they're raging- but because Dynamax gives several abilities & notable Resistances.
But given how crazy some Stands are, I could understand not banning Eternatus; It's only 3D & I'm pretty sure several of the crazier Stands could bypass it.
Eternamax is a little more questionable, as it has a PN Aura that prevents every Pokemon move; So any power or ability already covered by a Pokemon move won't work, & presumably that goes for Stands, too.
It itself also has all the Dynamax & Gigantamax powers -Dunno if that includes species specific Gigantamax abilities, as Eternatus is the source for Gigantamax form's power source, but not the species themselves- as Eternamax Eternatus.
Zacian & Zamazenta are Eternatus's rivals or such, so in their Crowned Forms, they get:
Crowned Sword Zacian:
Same as before minus Resistance to Fighting Type moves, but including Power Nullification (It was able to counter Eternamax Eternatus' aura that prevented Pokémon from using their moves),
Resistance to Power Nullification (It was able to able to act despite Eternamax Eternatus' aura preventing Pokémon from using their moves)
Crowned Shield Zamazenta:
Same as before including Power Nullification (It was able to counter Eternamax Eternatus' aura that prevented Pokémon from using their moves)
Resistance to Power Nullification (It was able to able to act despite Eternamax Eternatus' aura preventing Pokémon from using their moves)
More if we count PMD Grovyle, Dusknoir, Primal Dialga, protagonists....
Oh & if we allow dubiously non-Pokemon like Dark Matter, the Bittercold, PokeStar Studios machines....
But yeah:
Eternatus
Eternatus is a gigantic alien dragon that slept inside a meteorite that fell to Earth 20,000 years ago. 17,000 years later, Eternatus woke up and started absorbing energy from his surroundings, eventually leading him to reach his Eternamax form and causing a historical event called the Darkest...
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Mostly because this from its base form:
Weather Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 2) and Power Bestowal (Its body leaks Galar Particles, the substance which allows other Pokémon to Dynamax. Was the one behind the Darkest Day, an event which generated intense storms and Galar Particles across all the Galar Region, making the Pokémon Dynamaxed from such an event rage uncontrollably. Galar Particles are shown to uncontrollably increase both the power and rage of Zacian/Zamazenta if applied to them as well, even if they can't Dynamax), Energy Manipulation (Can generate Galar Particles), Absorption (Can absorb energy and the Galar Particles in the surrounding area, preventing the other Pokémon from Dynamaxing, can absorb many mystical forces via Cosmic Power and Meteor Beam)
& Eternamax Form:
Same as before, including all the powers and abilities of Dynamax and Gigantamax (Due of Eternamax being the strongest variant of Dynamax, superior to even Gigantamax), Large Size (Type 2), Passive Aura, Power Nullification (Has an aura which passively prevents the other Pokémon from using their moves. Can also release a shockwave which negates the current effects of the opponents' abilities and cures itself from damage and status conditions) and Space-Time Manipulation (Was warping the space-time around it with its mere presence), Resistance to Damage Boost (Immune to the added effects of Behemoth Blade and Behemoth Bash, which deal double damage against Dynamaxed Pokemon of any kind)
Weather Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 2) and Power Bestowal (Its body leaks Galar Particles, the substance which allows other Pokémon to Dynamax. Was the one behind the Darkest Day, an event which generated intense storms and Galar Particles across all the Galar Region, making the Pokémon Dynamaxed from such an event rage uncontrollably. Galar Particles are shown to uncontrollably increase both the power and rage of Zacian/Zamazenta if applied to them as well, even if they can't Dynamax), Energy Manipulation (Can generate Galar Particles), Absorption (Can absorb energy and the Galar Particles in the surrounding area, preventing the other Pokémon from Dynamaxing, can absorb many mystical forces via Cosmic Power and Meteor Beam)
& Eternamax Form:
Same as before, including all the powers and abilities of Dynamax and Gigantamax (Due of Eternamax being the strongest variant of Dynamax, superior to even Gigantamax), Large Size (Type 2), Passive Aura, Power Nullification (Has an aura which passively prevents the other Pokémon from using their moves. Can also release a shockwave which negates the current effects of the opponents' abilities and cures itself from damage and status conditions) and Space-Time Manipulation (Was warping the space-time around it with its mere presence), Resistance to Damage Boost (Immune to the added effects of Behemoth Blade and Behemoth Bash, which deal double damage against Dynamaxed Pokemon of any kind)
TL;DR - Eternatus in base, as well as Eternamax spreads Galar Particles, causing all affected to Dynamax & rage uncontrollably & indefinitely -As opposed to typical temporary Dynamaxes- which is notable not just because big & powered up Pokemon -Albeit, their moves are more limited & they're raging- but because Dynamax gives several abilities & notable Resistances.
But given how crazy some Stands are, I could understand not banning Eternatus; It's only 3D & I'm pretty sure several of the crazier Stands could bypass it.
Eternamax is a little more questionable, as it has a PN Aura that prevents every Pokemon move; So any power or ability already covered by a Pokemon move won't work, & presumably that goes for Stands, too.
It itself also has all the Dynamax & Gigantamax powers -Dunno if that includes species specific Gigantamax abilities, as Eternatus is the source for Gigantamax form's power source, but not the species themselves- as Eternamax Eternatus.
Zacian & Zamazenta are Eternatus's rivals or such, so in their Crowned Forms, they get:
Crowned Sword Zacian:
Same as before minus Resistance to Fighting Type moves, but including Power Nullification (It was able to counter Eternamax Eternatus' aura that prevented Pokémon from using their moves),
Resistance to Power Nullification (It was able to able to act despite Eternamax Eternatus' aura preventing Pokémon from using their moves)
Crowned Shield Zamazenta:
Same as before including Power Nullification (It was able to counter Eternamax Eternatus' aura that prevented Pokémon from using their moves)
Resistance to Power Nullification (It was able to able to act despite Eternamax Eternatus' aura preventing Pokémon from using their moves)
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was about to say that, BTD in the original is specific, in the novel it is a **** you to battleboarding
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BTD is dangerous to be around if you're a balloon
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Might not actually be in character for it.
| Ruby | Shedinja's hard body doesn't move - not even a twitch. In fact, its body appears to be merely a hollow shell. It is believed that this Pokémon will steal the spirit of anyone peering into its hollow body from its back. |
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| Sapphire | Shedinja is a peculiar Pokémon. It seems to appear unsought in a Poké Ball after a Nincada evolves. This bizarre Pokémon is entirely immobile - it doesn't even breathe. |
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| Emerald | A peculiar Pokémon that floats in air even though its wings remain completely still. The inside of its body is hollow and utterly dark. |
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| X | A discarded bug shell that came to life. Peering into the crack on its back is said to steal one's spirit. |
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| Shield | A strange Pokémon—it flies without moving its wings, has a hollow shell for a body, and does not breathe. |
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I forget, how, if at all, the anime &/or manga have depicted Shedinja moving. Although, stuff like Pokemon Battle Revolution indicates it can, by hovering.
Here's some videos of it appearing in the anime, but beyond hovering up & down, it doesn't seem to move much. So maybe it can, especially given it can learn moves like Fury Swipes, but.... IDK.
2nd video (the thumbnail & the end of it may be dangerous.)
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Is Novel Kars a stand?
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But actually, why are ya'll keeping this going, if ya want a pokemon vs jojo thread, make an actual one like Jonathan vs Riolu or some shit, I can not stress enough how ******* pointless this dick-measuring contest is when it'll never work
No but he has a bunch of strong ones.
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We don't use numbers for hax scaling anymore
Yeah
I'm not, I'm talking about the stuff I remember from the JoJo side that I would consider relevant enough to be useful here
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I find analyzing it interesting & kinda fun.But actually, why are ya'll keeping this going, if ya want a pokemon vs jojo thread, make an actual one like Jonathan vs Riolu or some shit, I can not stress enough how ******* pointless this dick-measuring contest is when it'll never work
Sorry for any bother, though.
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Yeah, and? I sincerely hope you aren't confusing "resistance to soul manip" as resistance to whatever the hell SCR is cooking (Pretty sure the soul & ectoplasm manip is there just to cover ghost type res).
They don't even resist shit like Time Skip, Probability manip, law manip, transmutation, etc and other such basic things bro
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Fair.
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All those universes it created, & still only 5-D.
So uhhh, yeah. Why are things like 10-D Spaghetti Man & 4-D Cube House allowed in this "The other side has to defeat these things" thread?
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In the non Smurf list for strongest character in every tier Jojo has a number of candidates in 10-A because of stands even considering they're connected the frail humans so just banning the op one shot hax stands and Pokemon doesn't work because then Pokemon use have bigger numbers to win if we don't ban one shot hax stands win, if arceus is allowed Pokemon win.
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Why is tier 2 Darkrai, High 3-A Infinite speed Necro, ************* Mewtwo with its stupid as shit mindhax AOE, and a bunch of other extreme high-end Pokemon here?
This thread does not work. You remove the dumb-as-shit JoJo acid trip demons? Pokemon gigastomp, you remove those Pokemon? JoJo sweep. Ya remove the problematic JoJo's, Pokemon go brrr, etc.
It's completely incompatible, there doesn't exist any overlap at all to where they can have a legitimate fight. like I think the only fair match is legitimately like Jonathan vs Riolu. Or some nonhaxy stands vs basic bitch pokemon like cleffa.
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I do question these.
I find it fun to try & figure out how this works. Bring order to chaos, make sense of the nonsense & all that.
May be some interesting interactions along the way.
To each their own, though.
But yeah, arguable candidates for bans:
Darkrai, Ultra Necrozma, maybe Mewtwo -IDK how subject to mindhax these Stands are- & Eternamax Eternatus (Eternamax has a PN Aura that base does not that nullifies like, hundreds of different abilities.), among possibly others.
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Wait is Rohan a 10-D smurf?
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Is Spaghetti Man his Stand?
Also, per the OP, the users aren't in this scenario.
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Not even Novel Rohan hits that, he barely lived that encounter.
Spaghettiman is a Higher-D Monster
Rohan's Stand is Heaven's Door, transmutation + mind/memory/bio manip stuff.
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