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the first firmament

  1. Excellence616

    Marvel Comics: Hulk Upgrade And Ability Addition

    In Issue 17 of The Incredible Hulk Vol 4, Hulk was chained by the Eldest. We later found out in Issue 18, that the chained was made from the First Firmament and Hulk is able to break the chain. So, Hulk would have 1-A rating with Immeasurable Lifting Strength. From this: to this: Note...
  2. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Marvel Comics Cosmology (World Hierarchy) Revision

    This was a long time coming and because of that I decided to move quickly with the changes. So, previously, established in this thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/j-m-dematteis-marvel-cosmology-split.169120/ So the main jist is to remove scans pertaining to the author “J.M. DeMatteis” and...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
    • Thread
    • beyonder (pre-retcon) eternity infinity (marvel comics) marvel comics cosmology (world hierarchy) mistress death phoenix force the beyonders the first firmament the one above all the ultimate ultimates
    • Replies: 106
    • Forum: Content Revision
  3. Lukewoesal007

    How many layers into 1-A are Marvel Top-Tiers?

    How many layers are Oblivion, Eternity, The First Firmament, and The One Above All into 1-A?

  4. TOAA vs The First Firmament

    Both are 1-A TOAA is in his "Above-All-Others" key. The-One-Above-All: The First Firmament: Who wins?

  5. Marvel Comics Questions.

    How high are Eternity (From the Eighth Multiverse) and The First Firmament into 1-A? Also. Why is Infinity not 1-A? And why did she not show up in the Eighth Multiverse? Does that mean that Infinity is also born out of Eternity just like The Living Tribunal?
  6. Rabbit2002

    Question about Low-1A/1As's Marvel

    Not sure what this means But the current wiki hierarchy only uses higher dimensions when they represent uncountable infinite higher lower dimension or higher layers where the lower dimensions/layers are nothing more than fictional. This is not even related or implied in any way So I wonder why...
    • Rabbit2002
    • Thread
    • beyonder (pre-retcon) eternity galactus (marvel comics) marvel comics molecule man oblivion thanos (marvel comics) the beyonders the first firmament the living tribunal
    • Replies: 12
    • Forum: Questions and Answers
  7. Elizio33

    The First Firmament vs Perpetua

    Both 1-A The battle take place in the void. Feats for First Firmament: Chained Eighth Multiverse Eternity. Corrupted Eternity's inner working such as Master Order and Lord Chaos. Was going to absorb Eighth Multiverse Eternity in himself though he needed him to become a universe in order...
    • Elizio33
    • Thread
    • dc comics marvel comics perpetua the first firmament
    • Replies: 4
    • Forum: Versus Threads
  8. Randomperosn

    Little thing for First Firmament

    Beyond dimensional existance should be added on his profile just like eternity.
  9. Randomperosn

    Small problem with First Firmament

    When I pressed on his cosmic awareness It took to me enhanced senses, can it be quickly fixed?
  10. Elizio33

    Possible 1-A Eternity

    According to Al Ewing, the Far Shore is part of Eternity, the eighth iteration of Eternity for being more precise. For those who don't know what the Far Shore is, it is the fartest point of life and death and it is outside time, space ans beyond that, there's only the mystery also called beyond...
  11. Udlmaster

    A Lover's Quarrel

    The Never Quee fights for her lover, but was the original her lover too? "You dare test my love." "I dare not test, only reclaim what is mine." Standard Battle Assumptions The Never-Queen is Bloodlusted. Victory via Death.
  12. Quantu

    1-A? TLT, The First Firmanent, Never Queen, Beyonders

    Living Tribunal LT transcends dualities LT transcends Space and Time The First Firmanent TFF Implying everything is apart of him + Outside Multi Eternity "from outside". Life within will fall and TFF will return as one Beyonders The Beyonders observe reality from a featureless and...
    • Quantu
    • Thread
    • marvel comics the first firmament the living tribunal the never queen
    • Replies: 81
    • Forum: Content Revision
  13. Elizio33

    Eternity vs The First Firmament

    Both at full power. Who win?
  14. Jinsye

    Ynnead vs. The First Firmament

    Marvel's Strongest High 1-B vs. WH40K's Strongest High 1-B. The First Firmament vs. Ynnead Both Omnipresent. This maaaay be a stomp IDK. Who wins? TFF: 0 Ynnead: 0
    • Jinsye
    • Thread
    • marvel comics the first firmament warhammer 40000 ynnead
    • Replies: 6
    • Forum: Versus Threads
  15. Elizio33

    HOTU Thanos vs The First Firmament

    Who wins?

  16. The First vs the End: The First Firmament vs Death of the Endless

    Who wins? The First Firmament: Death of the Endless:

  17. Glory of the First Circle vs The First Firmament

    Isaac Asimov look alike vs The first iteration of the cosmos Who wins? Shekinah : The First Firmament :
    • TheSandman31
    • Thread
    • dc comics glory of the first circle marvel comics the first firmament
    • Replies: 11
    • Forum: Versus Threads
  18. Elizio33

    Chaos King vs The First Firmament

    Both are at their peaks who win?
  19. MrKingOfNegativity

    The First Firmament VS The Crimson King

    Ever since his downgrade to High 1-B, the Crimson King has been on something of a roll. The last few matches he's been in were stomps in his favor, having most notably taken on High 1-Bs from both Marvel and DC's cosmology and won handily. Obviously, we need something stronger. Let's see how he...
  20. The_2nd_Existential_Seed

    ( Marvel Universe ) : Question on our current methods of scaling...

    [ Yes i gave Kudos to my own thread....XD . Anyways...Serious mode activated ] Excuse me for just a moment. In a thread concerning the Phoenix Force, we have been talking abouit exactly how to scale characters. Since i ddidn't want to derail that thread, i wanted to bring this up here. I am...
  21. Dreaming_Serpent

    These Are The Ultimate Ultimates?

    Opinions on these Multiple iterations of Eternity? So how do you think these guys compare to the rest of the Marvel Cosmic Pantheon? Are they all supposedly above The Living Tribunal being how it's implied that Eternity/Infinity births/is the lynchpin behind all the other Cosmic Entities? Or...
  22. OneAboveAll42

    Molecule Man(Beyonders) vs The First Firmament

    R1: Both at full power Bonus Round: Winner vs The Never Queen
  23. OneAboveAll42

    Molecule Man

    Is Molecule Man(Beyonders) in Ultimates currently the most powerful being in Marvel( more powerful than eternity, logos, the first firmament), not counting the One Above All?
  24. OneAboveAll42

    Molecule Man(Beyonders) vs The First Firmament

    Both at the peak of their power
  25. AndrewBennet

    Who would win ?

    The tiers are equalised to high 1B
  26. Elizio33

    Original Living Tribinal vs The First Firmament

    Who win?

  27. the first firmament's embodiment question

    so FF is supposed to embody ALL multiverses, not just the main one, so logically he would be superior to even characters like pre retcon beyonder since the beyond realm is just another multiverse, which FF embodies. but according to this, the FF doesnt embody everything after all. there are...
  28. Elizio33

    The First Firmament vs The Beyonders

    The Beyonders would stands a chance against TFF? since it was revealed that TFF is the very first universe and he is basically a much larger version than Eternity.
  29. The_2nd_Existential_Seed

    The First FIrmanent runs an gauntlet

    The First Firmanent is an formidable foe indeed. How about we put it up against the most powerful cosmics in comic history ? Combatants -Cosmic Armor Superman / The Thought Robot - Captain Adam - Multi-Death - - Multi-Eternity - Infinity -Never Queen -Living Tribunal ( Old...
  30. The_Omnipotente

    Doubt about The First Firmament

    Is The First Firmament Existing Before All Multiverses Should It Not Be Adimensional 1-A?
  31. LuckyCharmingStar

    The Never queen Vs The First Firmament vs Pre recton beyonder vs Moleculeman( beyonders)

    Never quee FF moleculema Pre recton Beyonder
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