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That's true. I more meant it's consistent in that it's not an insane jump in speed, as she was already FTL here and her extremely exerting herself to MFTL is realistic.
In the newest comic that just released, MLP Comic #100, Rainbow Dash had to fly back to Equestria from another country far away immediately, in order to warn them of the impending Knights of Harmony. To do this, she had to go faster than she ever had before, and in doing so reached ludicrous...
Cozy mainly relies on long-distance laser firing and BFRs with portals to other areas when in direct combat, but is also smart and quite devious in most scenarios. I could easily see her fooling Poof considering each of their intelligences, and getting the winning blow.
I mean in most scenarios it's clear Discord has no intention of helping the group unless things require his assistance, as he stated in Season 9. He has his own twisted morality and ethics, and in his view letting them do everything on their own will make them grow stronger as people, and he...
Oh right she was bell-enhanced by then. Still, though, I don't think it can be used for proper scaling. Bell-enhanced Chrysalis was still struggling with Starlight (which does make sense as Starlight is roughly Alicorn level) and beat her with high difficulty, and Starlight is most certainly not...
The webbing is clearly PiS, and shouldn't be used for scaling. Base Chrysalis is certainly not close to Discord, and Starlight Glimmer, while Alicorn level, is def not Discord level either.
I agree with GokuSparkle on a couple of his points, mainly that I think Twilight wasn't THAT far from Sombra's power (though still clearly below), and that Tirek was comparable or slightly stronger than Discord in their encounter in the S4 Finale, and that Discord was more 1.75x Celestia or so...
I personally think we should give finale Twilight a tier on par with Celestia. She's taken over as ruler in her stead, has become a fully grown Alicorn, and Big Jim specifically said the fusing of the crown was meant to symbolize Celestia and Luna giving Twilight their powers.
Oh wow where did that upgrade happen? Lol I am soooo behind.
Otherwise, there's stuffl ike Alicorn Cozy Glow, the new Chrysalis form, Future Twilight, Chaos Pinkie and Cozy Glow, etc.
When and why exactly did they get upgraded back to 4-B? That's what I've always wanted for like five years but...
Damn I missed all this talk. Can somebody catch me up to speed on what we've discussed? I'm a bit behind and there's like 500 messages, I intentionally avoided these threads cuz I wanted to be unspoiled (LOVED the finale btw).
I'm fine with making them 10-B, likely 9-B and just putting AJ, Rainbow and Sunset at the top, though Sci-Twi might have an argument for 9-B just considering she's one of the main ones and presumably stronger. Doesn't matter much IMO, though.
I'd go Tirek, mid-high difficulty. Without something like Instant Transmission and the like Vegeta doesn't have an easy get out of jail free card for if Tirek is able to grab him and suck his life force away. Even if Vegeta is able to get some hits in, Tirek I believe has the overall AP...
I also agree from what I've seen. Though personally I don't think with this upgrade that the lower Alicorns and Starswirl could realistically be hundreds of times weaker. I would still put them below Celestia & Luna, but I feel like they're probably 4-C. That's just me though, there's no real...
Yeah, though they still have a lot of hax that could be useful in certain fights. I'm just happy for more upgrades, I've been thinking about how casually the princesses move the sun recently and how we could translate that to a potential higher tier, but I was beaten to it!
Holy crap. Just a question: Does this still mean we're gonna keep people like Starswirl, Twilight etc at Low 4-C?
Otherwise, with this characters like Discord get to borderline 4-B depending on our estimates of 300-400x baseline High 4-C, and the top tiers like Full Power Tirek, the Elements...
I have also been lurking since well into 2013, I edited some pages way back in the day without this account. Crazy to remember all of this, it feels like a lifetime ago.
Happy to see this wiki grow so much. I remember when it was really really small, and some of the pages were quite unprofessional. But we've grown and adjusted, and everything looks great. From what I remember I'm the longest tenured person still around, but I may be wrong about that.
Starswirl is definitely 4-C, he is clearly on par with the princesses. They respect him immensely, he trained them, and his joining with the princesses in holding back the forest was clearly the strongest of the three. Before he joined they were merely holding the vines back, but with Starswirl...
I'm personally still of the opinion that the Alicorns are all 4-C, but I see your points here and understand them, and am perfectly fine with a Low 4-C downgrade.
However, I do still think Discord is clearly at 2x Star level. My evidence is that after Twilight absorbs the power of Celestia...
It wouldn't be an outlier, because it falls in line well with the other scenarios, such as him not going for the Princesses or Discord until he was stronger, or needing to trick crowds of ponies in order to get it with the help of Discord at first, before when he's stronger able to just stop a...
I think I'm also going to say inconclusive for now. They both have varying ways of going about taking each other out, and have similar levels of power.
I feel like you're trying to go against something that's been proven not only with multiple examples, but also multiple story beats in several episodes, with a singular example that very much could just be an outlier.
I mean, it's basically a pony against a lizard. They can bite and claw at her, and all she can really do is buck and tackle them. They're both pretty primitive, but the Jagras has more options from what I see.
The Roc scene is certainly PiS, and all signs point to Tirek needing to be close to the other's level or for it to be consenting for him to drain energy. Otherwise, there's no reason why he had to convince Chrysalis or Twilight in those scenarios, plus why he had to go around sucking the magic...
It's been clearly shown Tirek is unable to absorb the power of people far stronger or comparable to him in strength without either catching them offguard or with their consent.
I personally believe that Starswirl would take this battle over Sombra. Yes, Sombra is likely more powerful, but we honestly can't definitively say the amount. Both have shown to be stronger than Twilight, but by how much is not exactly sure, nor how much in relation to each other. Because of...
Grogar is clearly already stronger than all of them in his current state. His bell will likely make him stronger than anything we've seen before in the finale I'd presume which will be exciting.
There's not really any evidence to put it into High 4-C, right? All they did with it was squash Sombra, which is no superior to what the Elements or the Crystal Heart did to him.
I personally believe Discord should have an At Least, though stuff such as scaling with Tirek clearly shows he probably isn't High 4-C or anything, so it's arguable.