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Summer Time Rendering: Possible 6-D cosmology revision

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To be honest I am not sure about the Tokoyo being an r>f . Haine elevating her existence and creating that place seems to contradict with it but that place seem to exist outside of the timeline itself which should prove a hyper timeline. The rest seems fine at glance
 
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Mizuki67 said:
To be honest I am not sure about the Tokoyo being an r>f . Haine elevating her existence and creating that place seems to contradict with it. The rest seems fine at glance
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I'm not sure that look lower reality like 2-D could be R/F in new tiering.
 
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I'm not sure that look lower reality like 2-D could be R/F in new tiering.
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But like I said that place seem to exist outside of Time itself and should be independent means time travel could not reach that place . Enough to prove hypertimeline
 
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But like I said that place seem to exist outside of Time itself and should be independent means time travel could not reach that place . Enough to prove hypertimeline
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We have evidence themed around this ngl. Shide travelled to Tokoyo by opening up a portal within Haine's main body and is stated to be a portal mortals can't go beyond (Haine is The Creator Of This Dimension). So a specific portal gives you access to Tokoyo through the creator's body themselves, not achieved by Time Travel. This Tokoyo Dimension is stated Higher Dimensional than the Mortal World which is presumably 5-D making it a little more valid for a 6D Upgrade when connecting all evidences.
 
Mizuki67 said:
Haine elevating her existence and creating that place seems to contradict with it
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Im not sure where this ideology comes. Haine originates from Tokoyo to begin with. She didn't "ascend to" a Higher Dimension or whatever. Quite the opposite actually, she traveled to the real world from her own dimension some 300+ years ago going off her son, Shide's age.
 
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Im not sure where this ideology comes. Haine originates from Tokoyo to begin with. She didn't "ascend to" a Higher Dimension or whatever. Quite the opposite actually, she traveled to the real world from her own dimension some 300+ years ago going off her son, Shide's age.
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It is not known that she has ascended to a higher existence or not we only know that she was borned from somewhere and she created tokoyo. Therefore it is not 1A. I can bring some of the main concerns but I will stop at here.
 
Mizuki67 said:
It is not known that she has ascended to a higher existence or not we only know that she was borned from somewhere and she created tokoyo
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This is false. It is speculated that Haine was originally a being "outside of the world" and fell into the lower dimensions gaining consciousness overtime from her shadow abilities in the process. Haine's goal from that point was to return back to her "Hometown" Tokoyo aka the land where all shadow's originate and live. It's crystal clear that Haine originates from Tokoyo and if that wasn't enough, it's even stated word for word upon Shinpei actually getting there. I'm not sure where you get her being "born". There's no background information on that and it wouldn't matter anyway since she's treated as a "god" and the creator of all shadow's.

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Therefore it is not 1A. I can bring some of the main concerns but I will stop at here.
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The OP isn't proposing Tier 1-A.... He's proposing a Low 1-C and 1-C cosmology....
 
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This is false. It is speculated that Haine was originally a being "outside of the world" and fell into the lower dimensions gaining consciousness overtime from her shadow abilities in the process. Haine's goal from that point was to return back to her "Hometown" Tokoyo aka the land where all shadow's originate and live. It's crystal clear that Haine originates from Tokoyo and if that wasn't enough, it's even stated word for word upon Shinpei actually getting there. I'm not sure where you get her being "born". There's no background information on that and it wouldn't matter anyway since she's treated as a "god" and the creator of all shadow's.


The OP isn't proposing Tier 1-A.... He's proposing a Low 1-C and 1-C cosmology....
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I just disagree with 1A. I don't think there is enough sufficient evidence. The op seems to think this can qualify for 1A
 
Mizuki67 said:
I just disagree with 1A. I don't think there is enough sufficient evidence. The op seems to think this can qualify for 1A
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I see. Could you summarize the qualifications for 1-A R>F? Maybe I could bring some evidence to the table to help.
 
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I just disagree with 1A. I don't think there is enough sufficient evidence. The op seems to think this can qualify for 1A
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I just want upgrade cosmology to 6-D. About 1-A, I think it could be. Btw, we should stop talking about 1-A. It's derailing.
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
This is false. It is speculated that Haine was originally a being "outside of the world" and fell into the lower dimensions gaining consciousness overtime from her shadow abilities in the process. Haine's goal from that point was to return back to her "Hometown" Tokoyo aka the land where all shadow's originate and live. It's crystal clear that Haine originates from Tokoyo and if that wasn't enough, it's even stated word for word upon Shinpei actually getting there. I'm not sure where you get her being "born". There's no background information on that and it wouldn't matter anyway since she's treated as a "god" and the creator of all shadow's.
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Though wait after careful reconsideration I think you can use this as your counter argument.
 
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As for interacting with her it is said that the possessor of the eye can do so. This may imply a relationship between the eye and her where through the eye she ascends the possessor to her level of reality.

Plus Haine sees the cosmology as a piece of book

Hmm I think I can agree with 1A now since I got the clear picture
 
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what is the context behind outside of the world. World could either mean planet or universe. I need the scan for it
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It's in chapter 96 of Summer Time Rendering iirc.
World here means "Dimension" I presume. Tokoyo as explained in the blog is stated a Dimension above the real world which is where Haine is from and is trying to return to. She fell from that "World" into the real world.
 
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As for interacting with her it is said that the possessor of the eye can do so. This may imply a relationship between the eye and her where through the eye she ascends the possessor to her level of reality.
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It's also stated that the eyes depend on Haine's existence and without her existence, the power disappears turning the eye into a normal eye. So she indeed does scale to the power of the eyes if it wasn't already evident since they literally belong to her. Haine also scales to Tokoyo as Tokoyo is created by her literal memories and the dimension would disappear if Haine had that memory removed or if she ever died. She's also the literal creator. This is how Haine herself would be 6D or anywhere higher as she scales to whatever high tier construct/power in the verse.
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
This is false. It is speculated that Haine was originally a being "outside of the world" and fell into the lower dimensions gaining consciousness overtime from her shadow abilities in the process. Haine's goal from that point was to return back to her "Hometown" Tokoyo aka the land where all shadow's originate and live. It's crystal clear that Haine originates from Tokoyo and if that wasn't enough, it's even stated word for word upon Shinpei actually getting there. I'm not sure where you get her being "born". There's no background information on that and it wouldn't matter anyway since she's treated as a "god" and the creator of all shadow's.
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Oh sorry it seems that i overlooked something. There is one problem btw it is the fact that she went to the lower dimension and reduce herself to non 1-A. Is there any proof that the one from the lower dimension is an avatar or does she have a true form or something that reside in Tokoyo. If there is I think you guys can just straight up change this to a 1A revision and provide the details we discussed here.

Also what is the context for the part where you need to kill her. Do you have to reach a higher plane of existence in order to kill her ?
 
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There is one problem btw it is the fact that she went to the lower dimension and reduce herself to non 1-A. Is there any proof that the one from the lower dimension is an avatar or does she have a true form or something that reside in Tokoyo. If there is I think you guys can just straight up change this to a 1A revision and provide the details we discussed here.
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I have evidence for this I'll share when I'm free. Thanks for the feedback 🙏

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Also what is the context for the part where you need to kill her. Do you have to reach a higher plane of existence in order to kill her ?
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??. I'm not sure what you're referring to here. What I said is that killing Haine = All Shadow construct (Her eyes) including Tokoyo gets erased.
Haine's can't die in Tokoyo apparently due the the nature of the realm being a supportive to the shadow's.
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
??. I'm not sure what you're referring to here. What I said is that killing Haine = All Shadow construct (Her eyes) including Tokoyo gets erased.
Haine's can't die in Tokoyo apparently due the the nature of the realm being a supportive to the shadow's.
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I remember there was a quote that talk about how she was not necessarily immortal but yeah the character said it is not even possible to kill Haine because she is a higher being

Fallen_Angelicx said:
I have evidence for this I'll share when I'm free. Thanks for the feedback
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Okay
 
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I remember there was a quote that talk about how she was not necessarily immortal but yeah the character said it is not even possible to kill Haine because she is a higher being
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She is not immortal in physical world but in Tokoyo she cannot die because the nature of Shadows. In Tokoyo, shadows cannot die.
 
Mizuki67 said:
remember there was a quote that talk about how she was not necessarily immortal but yeah the character said it is not even possible to kill Haine because she is a higher being
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Wikisource said:
She is not immortal in physical world but in Tokoyo she cannot die because the nature of Shadows. In Tokoyo, shadows cannot die.
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I assume you're talking about this scan. Wiki explained it perfectly. I'd also like to add that Hizuru is referring to the fact that current Haine is weakened. Meaning that together they can fight against her and hopefully win especially with Ushio who's a Anti-Haine weapon with them.

Mizuki67 said:
Oh sorry it seems that i overlooked something. There is one problem btw it is the fact that she went to the lower dimension and reduce herself to non 1-A. Is there any proof that the one from the lower dimension is an avatar or does she have a true form or something that reside in Tokoyo. If there is I think you guys can just straight up change this to a 1A revision and provide the details we discussed here.
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It is explained that Haine is indeed a avatar of the actual entity; Hiruko. Haine is merely a personality Hiruko copied 300+ years ago and was split apart from her becoming Ushio as explained here. The manga has more information on this but this is the simplified version. As you'd guess Hiruko's avatar aka Haine/Ushio has the "eye" that elevates their existances meaning they'd also scale.
 
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