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Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki

Robo432343 said:
yes it is
saying someone with CM 1 can interact with type 2 concept nep with no feats is and will always be an nlf
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He mean that rather than directly interacting with concept, you can indirectly affect the concept by affect what the concept tied to, since Type 2 mean the concept itself is dependent on something, if you affect said thing, it will create a chain reaction that alter the concept

However in this case, CM1 guy try to affect the NEP guy that lack concept type 2, so it is pointless since there is no concept to interact with, and the concept is absence, it can't be tied to anything for CM1 guy to indirectly affect the concept via affect what the concept tied to. And even if we sematically nitpicking thing, type 2 concept of nothingness will be tied to the nothingness itself, since it describe what is nothingness, that go back to the start where you need to be able interact with the nothingness first in order to indirectly affect type 2 concept of nothingness
 
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wait a damn minute
can Bill interact with type 1 abstract existence?
because if he doesn't then he loses to spawn
 
Vietthai96 said:
He mean that rather than directly interacting with concept, you can indirectly affect what the concept tied to, since Type 2 mean the concept itself is dependent on something, if you affect said thing, it will create a chain reaction that alter the concept

However in this case, CM1 guy try to affect the NEP guy that lack concept type 2, so it is pointless since there is no concept to interact with, and the concept is absence, it can't be tied to anything for CM1 guy to indirectly affect the concept via affect what the concept tied to. And even if we sematically nitpicking thing, type 2 concept of nothingness will be tied to the nothingness itself, since it describe what is nothingness, that go back to the start where you need to be able interact with the nothingness first in order to indirectly affect type 2 concept of nothingness
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i agree with everything here
 
Vietthai96 said:
He mean that rather than directly interacting with concept, you can indirectly affect the concept by affect what the concept tied to, since Type 2 mean the concept itself is dependent on something, if you affect said thing, it will create a chain reaction that alter the concept

However in this case, CM1 guy try to affect the NEP guy that lack concept type 2, so it is pointless since there is no concept to interact with, and the concept is absence, it can't be tied to anything for CM1 guy to indirectly affect the concept via affect what the concept tied to.
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Doesnt the concept still paradoxically exist, like what the NEP page says “Nonexistent Physiology refers to the ability to lack certain aspects of one's existence, to paradoxically 'exist,' yet lack certain identifiable traits of existence or exist outside of a particular scope of 'existence.'” and would still be tied to something
Vietthai96 said:
And even if we sematically nitpicking thing, type 2 concept of nothingness will be tied to the nothingness itself, since it describe what is nothingness, that go back to the start where you need to be able interact with the nothingness first in order to indirectly affect type 2 concept of nothingness
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Yeah thats for nothingness but what about lacking something the concept of something not inherently nonexistent
 
i will put bill below spawn if he cant interact with type 1 abstract existence

discord is also getting Low 1-C
 
ok nvm
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Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

Considering the previous upgrade, I decided to make this second one for Bill Cipher, as I think that after his tiering, we can how talk about other factors. Hax The first thing is the abilities of Bill, given that there are some important stuff I'd like to talk. I made a prettier P&A section...
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Brogeefrong said:
Doesnt the concept still paradoxically exist, like what the NEP page says “Nonexistent Physiology refers to the ability to lack certain aspects of one's existence, to paradoxically 'exist,' yet lack certain identifiable traits of existence or exist outside of a particular scope of 'existence.'” and would still be tied to something
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unless the guy is NEP Nature 3, otherwise it make no sense. The paradoxical part is just mean that normally nothingness mean, nothing exist, however still some how existing, it have almost nothing on aspect
Brogeefrong said:
Yeah thats for nothingness but what about lacking something the concept of something not inherently nonexistent
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the.................what?????, now you make no sense bruhh

Tbf, current NEP is a mess
 
Vietthai96 said:
unless the guy is NEP Nature 3, otherwise it make no sense. The paradoxical part is just mean that normally nothingness mean, nothing exist, however still some how existing, it have almost nothing on aspect
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If it somehow still exist, and counts as a concept, shouldnt it still be tied to whatever it’s linked to, also also if it is a Type 3, is it possible?
Vietthai96 said:
the.................what?????, now you make no sense bruhh
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Like the concept is tied to nothingness in this situation, what if its something else
Vietthai96 said:
Tbf, current NEP is a mess
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mood
 
Brogeefrong said:
If it somehow still exist, and counts as a concept, shouldnt it still be tied to whatever it’s linked to, also also if it is a Type 3, is it possible?
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if the concept still exist, then the character in question will never lack it in the first place, which mean his nonexistence aspect is wrong, unless he is NEP Nature Type 3, which allow for paradoxical existence even with the aspects
Brogeefrong said:
Like the concept is tied to nothingness in this situation, what if its something else
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no, it is impossible, concept type 3 tied with what it describes, concept type 2 of circle describe the fundamental principle of circle, and also tied to said circle, concept type 2 of nothingness describe properties of nothingness and also tied to it, you can't have a concept type 2 that somehow tied to a completely different thing that it not describe and govern over, the only concept that is possible in such a way in our current system is concept type 3, as it is lesser realist concept, it is tied to what it describe and govern, at the same time it is a part of a larger reality

Anyway i'm gonna sleep, it is midnight in my country now
 
Oh right, I remember reading a question here. The note on Acausality Type 5 about needing feats, that was because Acausality Type 5 was changed from something that ignored dimensionality to something that was limited by it. So it was about Tier 1, not about Concepts or anything.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Amusing to see my obscure Nyarlathotep's generating pages of discussion.

Like us WABS guys are just chilling, and this discussion is still ongoing.
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Surprising how M went from not so being quite broken ish (but still fairly powerful) to becoming pretty broken and even abstractically hard to affect lol.

That's not even adding Edison whose basically another M (Nyarlathotep) and more, and both got pretty good hax resistances from a growing Nyar owo.
 
Livinmeme said:
WUT. Really?
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apparently yeah
1-A scaling might come from this dude
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The Nothing (Wizard101)

The Nothing is a mysterious entity originating from outside existence. When the Player defeated the Aethyr Titan, they had pierced a hole in reality, allowing the Nothing to glimpse into the Spiral, and by proxy the rest of existence, for the first time. This event would make Nothing curious...
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but no one wants to make a CRT for it
 
oh discord just got upgraded to Low 1-C
i'll put him above bill coz last time someone made a match recently and discord stomped
 
Brogeefrong said:
Pretty sure the key with AE for Spawn is 6d
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oh thats true
but for some reason the 6-D scaling comes from the mother of existence transcending creation but there is no proof of her being qualitatively superior to it??
i remember qawsed being unsure about the 6-D scaling
they might still be 5-D
i'll make a QnA
 
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bruh i knew it
i asked a staff member and he said someone with CM 1 cant interact with nep 2 aspect 2 even if its a type 2 concept
 
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