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How about High-Godly regen neg and being permanently stuck in eternal death loop?
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TheGreatJedi13
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which high godly regen he negs?
explain the eternal death loop mechanics
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High Godly Regen Neg of Plot and Type 1 Conceptual variety.
The person Cronus (one of Oma's powerset) is permanently stuck during the moment of death in time, forever frozen.
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Characters from Mission: Yozakura Family for 10th spot in Low 7-C
Namely Kyoichiro Yozakura and Futaba Yozakura
Namely Kyoichiro Yozakura and Futaba Yozakura
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TheGreatJedi13
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He can also regen from history and can exist even without Info type 2 so it may not fully work.
Beelzebub whole schtick is Causality corruption so any time-related things are often nullified. like the 3 attempts includes
trapping him with primal beast containment that separates him into 3 and sealing each differently
trapping into a dimensionless realm where time also holds no sway
making him fall down into crimson horizon where everything and chaos is outright always erasing him and has no regular time so his experience felt like an eternity
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The Concept in question is history, too yes.
How many layers of time hax? Oma have around 3~4 layers of time fuckery. Also, he can just neg his enemy resistances. Several of his ability completely strip his enemy of their abilities, if it will work or not.
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BDE + Granblue can resist resistance negation and reduction to resistance and require someone with Godsight to negate even that resistance and negation resistance
what about info type 2? As chaos can exist without history and concept and info type 2. as long as one of it isn't negged they can use it to return physically and simply exist without the other
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He has access to the Gamedeus virus which is capable of erasing Bugsters, Bugsters are solely composed of InfoType2 and they constantly return from being deleted and even so the Gamedeus virus manages to erase them.
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Data and info type 2 are different
Since info type 2 are fundamental aspect of reality while data can either be just information about someone that makes them exist in reality.
besides if they are really info type 2 it would give bugster high godly regen from coming back from their data being erased and not mid godly
to elaborate info type 2 in granblue is based on the fact that reality in granblue are merely information inside Orologia's or Wedges personality and they can repeatedly create simulations that are real universes and these information although not directly from the main reality can be inserted and corrupt the information or outright overwrite the one from main reality that they needed to find a way to erase all of the information of all simulated realities inside Orologia
Since info type 2 are fundamental aspect of reality while data can either be just information about someone that makes them exist in reality.
besides if they are really info type 2 it would give bugster high godly regen from coming back from their data being erased and not mid godly
to elaborate info type 2 in granblue is based on the fact that reality in granblue are merely information inside Orologia's or Wedges personality and they can repeatedly create simulations that are real universes and these information although not directly from the main reality can be inserted and corrupt the information or outright overwrite the one from main reality that they needed to find a way to erase all of the information of all simulated realities inside Orologia
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1)They are the same in this case
2)No, if your data defines your existence that is just straight-up info type 2 (tbqh data manip shouldn't even be its own page but that's a whole other can of worms)
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Bump
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Battle for the #4 Low 1-A spot (with Dormammu representing "Characters from Marvel Comics")
TheGreatJedi13
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fair enough
then Chaos can simply corrupt it and nullifies it as it nullifies providence in Granblue which includes info type 2, Concept, History.
what about the fact that his manipulation needs to occur in the game area? and how high is this in dimension?
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So this just officially got accepted, along with this. So Final Fantasy now needs to be either on the same spot as Puella Puella or above them since neither of them can interact with or affect the other (Type 5 Acausality for Puella Puella and now FF has Type 2 NEP from Ultima The High Seraph (Aspects 1 & 3) and Mid/Top Tier Fal'Cie's (Aspects 1, 2, & 4), and in terms of whose more haxxy, FF definitely wins that battle for now
Also is Gu Taxian a 5-D smurf? and can Cui Heng in his 5-B key affect NEP 2?
Also is Gu Taxian a 5-D smurf? and can Cui Heng in his 5-B key affect NEP 2?
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No, according to the standards here, the age of 90 million years without immortality (which is the ninth level of immortality) is a boundary point, with H1-B above and only 2-A below (GuTaxian is only the highest immortal value on the eighth level, unless you believe that the 2-A Heavenly Realm is just a description of an illusory dream for him）
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Still waiting for this change
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As large as the universe, however, due to Oma abilities to freely changes any of his own abilities. It should easily scale to 6-D. And unless Chaos can act out on its own without any of of Belial input.
Oma has High Godly Plot regen.
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Beelzebub can put it up as a full-body barrier with Langelaan field. he freely controls it to the point that even if he is being pulverized or is being killed/erased. Aside from the Chaos thing. He can also infect people with Avatar's rage since he technically still hold Avatar's void as a weapon. although it is not as Haxy as Chaos it's still a 7D power so it would be able to mind hax and can act independently but fully subjugated by Beelzebub
Also, I'm assuming Oma can interact with Nep Type 2?
cause I've only seen NEp Type 1 and 3 in some profiles in Kamen Rider
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Ramiris (Light Novel), for 5th spot in 10-C.
As starting move, Ramiris use her "Small World" ability she rewrites the coordinates of 3D beings and 4D universal space-time continuums, isolating them in the (2-B) labyrinth bounded by countless space-time continuums. Her "Small World" ability consists of information type 2, and her ability is based on influencing conceptual laws through 3 layer law manipulation.
In addition, as a Spiritual Lifeform, it does not die unless its soul, which is a type 2 information, is erased or its core, which is a type 1 concept, is destroyed.
However, Ramiris' ability is thought-based, so let's still see what the other side can do.
5. SCP-239 (Ramiris resists all of her major abilities, the only ability she does not resist, existence erasure, does not appear to be at the information type 2 or type 1 concept level, so it is useless on Ramiris)
6. Sōya Azashiro (Azashiro's passive reiatsu crush does not work on the soul of Ramiris which is information type 2 and his nigh-omnipreset won't work either, as Ramiris would directly isolate the universal space-time continuum)
7. Floating Eye (Only notable ability, mind manipulation, is useless against Ramiris, who has a information type 2 mind and both unconventional resistance and mental invulnerability)
So she should at least beat these characters.
4. Culaina (Speed Equalized) / Chess Pieces (Speed Unequalized)
These two for need a matchup, there is a possibility of incon.
As starting move, Ramiris use her "Small World" ability she rewrites the coordinates of 3D beings and 4D universal space-time continuums, isolating them in the (2-B) labyrinth bounded by countless space-time continuums. Her "Small World" ability consists of information type 2, and her ability is based on influencing conceptual laws through 3 layer law manipulation.
In addition, as a Spiritual Lifeform, it does not die unless its soul, which is a type 2 information, is erased or its core, which is a type 1 concept, is destroyed.
However, Ramiris' ability is thought-based, so let's still see what the other side can do.
5. SCP-239 (Ramiris resists all of her major abilities, the only ability she does not resist, existence erasure, does not appear to be at the information type 2 or type 1 concept level, so it is useless on Ramiris)
6. Sōya Azashiro (Azashiro's passive reiatsu crush does not work on the soul of Ramiris which is information type 2 and his nigh-omnipreset won't work either, as Ramiris would directly isolate the universal space-time continuum)
7. Floating Eye (Only notable ability, mind manipulation, is useless against Ramiris, who has a information type 2 mind and both unconventional resistance and mental invulnerability)
So she should at least beat these characters.
4. Culaina (Speed Equalized) / Chess Pieces (Speed Unequalized)
These two for need a matchup, there is a possibility of incon.
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If Morghur was present on the list, I'd say trying to labyrinth him is about the singular worst idea you can do because that's then exposing your source of power to the guy who tries to corrupt ALL sources of power he can. And before you ask if he could effect it, the answer is yes.
But Morghur would tie Kroak due to stomping Doom of Malan'tai, so... he's not an option.
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Doesn't Maria slam this guy into the ground?
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Ever hear of this thing called vore?
Cause Doom of Malan'tai LOVES the taste of minda and souls!
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I don't believe it has a mouth wide enough to eat 9D minds and souls.
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Try Low 1-A minds and souls for voring souls in the Warp from the materium
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where should we put this dude
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Kamen Rider Oma Zi-O
Sougo Tokiwa (常磐ソウゴ Tokiwa Sōgo) is the future version of his present day self who rules the Earth in 2068 as Oma Zi-O (オーマジオウ Ōma Jiō), alternatively spelled Ohma Zi-O, and also referred to as the Demon King (魔王 Ma Ō) by the characters of the series. Tier: At least Low 1-C, likely higher Name...
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IMO its this guy
Exdeath
Following the defeat of the evil wizard Enuo, humans turned to sealing the souls of malevolent beings in a tree within the Great Forest of Moore. Said tree gradually became self-aware, and became just as evil as every soul within it. And so, Exdeath was born. Tier: 2-C | 2-A | 2-A Key: Base and...
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He’s not. Hax-wise maybe but the actual strongest guys have terrible pages and don’t even fight.IMO its this guy
Exdeath
Following the defeat of the evil wizard Enuo, humans turned to sealing the souls of malevolent beings in a tree within the Great Forest of Moore. Said tree gradually became self-aware, and became just as evil as every soul within it. And so, Exdeath was born. Tier: 2-C | 2-A | 2-A Key: Base and...
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Probably, I'm going to search the profiles to find a character who has this accepted.
But anyway, Gaim manages to interact with Saver and the justification for Beelzebub's NEP is the exact existential state that Saver finds himself in.
A more detailed explanation:
Kamen Rider Transduality Revision
Introduction The dual system of destruction and creation has existed within the Kamen Rider series as a fundamental theme. Several series have used this dual system to express the idea of several consequences. This thread is intended to bring those ideas together in order to make sense of it all...
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idk how to explain this but There already exists something similar to Saver in Granblue that transcends them like that(I'd use transcends for lack of better words since They are now considered energy that is capable of Harming or Kills God that transcends the very Providence of Sky-realm/Astral Realm) or under a different duality system of Existence/nonexistence and they are something they cannot interact with as well.Probably, I'm going to search the profiles to find a character who has this accepted.
But anyway, Gaim manages to interact with Saver and the justification for Beelzebub's NEP is the exact existential state that Saver finds himself in.
A more detailed explanation:
Kamen Rider Transduality Revision
Introduction The dual system of destruction and creation has existed within the Kamen Rider series as a fundamental theme. Several series have used this dual system to express the idea of several consequences. This thread is intended to bring those ideas together in order to make sense of it all...vsbattles.com
and Chaos exist deeper than them
To Explain Providence
Creation and Destruction & Rebirth are diametrically opposed but not in the traditional sense like that.
As Astrals are created without the Destruction and Rebirth half. They completely exist already without the need for Death or Destruction
And forcing Destruction & Rebirth on them causes them to be reborn as a Precipien Entity which is a paradoxical existence that makes them neither.
But still is considered just a higher system of Existence/Nonexistence which allows them to interact and kill the Omnipotent/God who already transcends the Providence which has Creation and Destruction & Rebirth.
Now Chaos is the nothingness that stems from The Original Death aka Death and Destruction is now an independent concept that treats all systems of Existence/Nonexistence as part of Creation and follows them and is The Inevitable End of Everything. That even the void of the nothingness of neither life nor death was not able to harm or affect them even though they were shown seemingly being devoured by this void
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None of this is an additional layer of non-existence, just immo5/invulnerability and hax resistance.
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I disagree. They were specific when mentioning key terms on this one.
Astrals are already Type 5 immo and so does primal beast yet they can be killed by Otherworlders and implosion of the world
invulnerability is out of the question when the way to resist Legion Void was literally overpowering it with the Power of the Omnipotent that at that time they have to reach or were unable to corrupt.
Hax's resistance from being more nonexistent isn't resistance after all he was seemingly affected yet nothing actually happened to him even as the void devoured him which points that the void has no reach towards them the same way Providence has no reach towards them
eitherway you need to prove that there is a NEp type 2 in the series Oma can interact with
after all TD2 from existence nonexistence is different from NEP type 2
due to nep being more about nonexistent than both while TD2 is beyond both
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You can also go get that horseshit accepted on the hax layers thread if you haven't already...
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I'm not arguing for layers I'm arguing that NEP type 2 is different from Oma's TD2 which he claimed to be similar
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It's literally the same reason, nothing you presented changed the justification, it was just about X being deeper than Y, if you weren't arguing about layers then there is literally nothing to discuss about what you said.
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It won't happened due to layered time stop, unless you'll argue that he can do anything at all inside layered time-stop. Or through High-Godly regen neg.
Also, don't see any NEP Type 2 until his 1-C key.
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How many layers into high 1a are the characters who occupy these spots ?
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Marvel Comics High 1-A layers go like this:
Superflow (baseline) < Omniversal Eternity (1 layer) < Beyond Realm (2 layers) < White Hot Room (3 layers) < Land of Couldn't Be, Shouldn't Be (4 layers) < Land of Can Be, Shall Be (5 layers) < House of Ideas (6 layers)
The One Above All resides in the House of Ideas.
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That’s a lot compared to elder scrolls, I think they’re just 2-3 layers
https://vsbattles.com/threads/why-are-anu-and-the-amaranth-tier-0.167560/ . Also should it not be infinite layers for the mystery and countless for the never queen ?
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