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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

NeoKingOfLight said:
No he’s asking how Baryon Mode is different from fusing SPSM and Kurama Mode
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no he isnt, quote me a line directly from that scan then that says this. the full context if you read the previous page and the page that comes after is that Baryon Mode is a different form from six paths and kurama mode not that, not that naruto is asking how its different from fusing six paths and kurama mode, which doesnt even make sense in this context as kurama mentions creating a new energy, why would Naruto make that connection when Six Paths Sage Mode objectively doesnt do that.

NeoKingOfLight said:
, which directly disproves your notion that Kishi doesn’t remember Naruto has SPSM.
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I never said Kishi forgot Naruto has SPSM, im saying he doesnt think Naruto has it anymore. as in an active choice.
NeoKingOfLight said:
Your response was an attempt to discredit my statement and it doesn’t for the reasons stated in my response to you.
  1. Kishimoto didn’t forget Naruto has it SPSM, thus the scan.
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which it doesnt, a character remember they had a form doesnt mean anything?, also this is the worst example you could have used for kishi, this scene was written by Kodachi.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Has it ever been stated he used SPSM tho? Or is it just fans speculating about the fact that his eyes retain the cross. I wouldn't use fan speculations or fandom websites as proof.
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It’s not speculation. SPSM is the “+” without SM pigmentation. BSM still has the SM Pigmentation. It doesn’t have to be stated. It is literally shown…

Naruto has not used BSM since The Last.
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HelloThere1089 said:
Bringing what up?
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SPSM when it is not required to create TSB.
 
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The Hulkbuster vs The (nerfed) Nine-Tails

Mark 44/Hulkbuster Iron Man vs Kurama Mode Naruto (Fourth Shinobi World War key) Iron Man is 53.5 Gigatons. Naruto is 21.5 Gigatons physically, up to 6.2 Teratons with Bijuudama. Speed equalized Battle takes place in the Forest of Death. 500m distance. Votes: Tin Can: Glowing Fox: Incon:
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NeoKingOfLight said:
It’s not speculation. SPSM is the “+” without SM pigmentation. BSM still has the SM Pigmentation. It doesn’t have to be stated. It is literally shown…
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So it has never been actually stated then. Thanks for saying that.
NeoKingOfLight said:
SPSM when it is not required to create TSB.
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I don't care about TSB. I just responded to you stating that the Boruto chapter 52 scan proves Naruto still has SPSM.
 
Baryon Mode seems to be something entirely different than any other transformation. And it's possible that form is completely exclusive to Naruto and Kurama since they both have extreme amounts of chakra to be fused away.
 
Wait if you can just fuse chakra, so normal humans can double down as fuel rods, meaning they are stronger then the chakra cannon, and naruto upscale from regular civilians, so nard planetary
 
HelloThere1089 said:
I am getting the gut feeling that Alt is gonna get us a couple of discussion rules.
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he's already talked about wanting to do CRTs that are pretty explicitly banned and if they arent then they will be the moment his CRT goes online. like seriously this guy is dreaming of 2-C and even low 1-C Nard to compete with DB
 
Ryzen7900X said:
he's already talked about wanting to do CRTs that are pretty explicitly banned and if they arent then they will be the moment his CRT goes online. like seriously this guy is dreaming of 2-C and even low 1-C Nard to compete with DB
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Let a man dream 💀🙏

Edit: L1C is too far out of reach but 2C is another thing
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Source doesn’t matter. The jutsu is the same. No different than Genjutsu coming from different sources. It works the same. The TSB are simply a combination of All Elements + Yin/Yang and its. jutsu those with SPC have access to.
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No..the source definitely matters. First of all toneri never created more after the 18 he initially made. Don't know where you saw him creating more..he merely changed their forms at different times. Secondly it's funny you bring up genjustu when like shisui, itachi, IT and etc don't work the same way. Itachi doesn't have a one day cool down for his genjustu and both shisui and Itachi don't use light to cast their genjustu. Source clearly matters. That's why naruto, madara and toneri all had different amounts and not unlimited based on your idea of them just making more

NeoKingOfLight said:
Having SPC is portrayed as simply a requirement to use it. If you simply get one because you have SPC, Sasuke would’ve automatically had at least one and the fact he doesn’t disproves yours notion here.
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Sasuke had only six path shadow style from hag. He never had both. Naruto got both from being a pseudo jinjuriki..mute point

NeoKingOfLight said:
Bruh, Obito’s staff if a TSB… he can only use the jutsu because he stole some chakra from Madara. Obito wasn’t a TTJ at that point when he created one (Whoch is shown), so idk what you’re talking about the ten-tails for. Doesn’t apply to Obito.
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The chakra he stole from madara brought him back to a six path like state which was why another tso was created and it was a 10 tails staff signifying it is something special to true 10 tails jinjuriki

NeoKingOfLight said:
That doesn’t matter. He is no longer a TTJ at that point so what he had before from being one isn’t relevant to him post TTJ. The only benefit having been a TTJ netted him is STATED to be that he was able to steal some SPC from Madara because of it. Outside of that, everything you’re arguing here is mad assumptive and baseless. It’s not stated or implied to be the case.
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And logically stealing some power from madara would include tso.
NeoKingOfLight said:
No, its not. Let’s stick to actually stated and portrayed.
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The headcanon you're actually doing is insane. Only One person was shown to bring out another tso. And it is someone that already had one prior and stole it from someone. The rest other users only created it once and that's it. I think my argument of obito is a special case coz he got entirely new six path energy is better as opposed to you saying naruto and madara didn't make new ones just coz
 
Ryzen7900X said:
he's already talked about wanting to do CRTs that are pretty explicitly banned and if they arent then they will be the moment his CRT goes online. like seriously this guy is dreaming of 2-C and even low 1-C Nard to compete with DB
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How the **** do you even get Low 1-C Naruto dawg? That's insane.
 
Ryzen7900X said:
he's already talked about wanting to do CRTs that are pretty explicitly banned and if they arent then they will be the moment his CRT goes online. like seriously this guy is dreaming of 2-C and even low 1-C Nard to compete with DB
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I mean I am not one to crush someone's dreams, but I just think powerscaling for the sake of competing is going to get in the way of accuracy/consistency.
AlternativePrinciple said:
Let a man dream 💀🙏
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Sure, but don't spam.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
no he isnt, quote me a line directly from that scan then that says this. the full context if you read the previous page and the page that comes after is that Baryon Mode is a different form from six paths and kurama mode not that, not that naruto is asking how its different from fusing six paths and kurama mode, which doesnt even make sense in this context as kurama mentions creating a new energy, why would Naruto make that connection when Six Paths Sage Mode objectively doesnt do that
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Bruh… 🤦‍♂️

Kurama: “Think of it like Nuclear Fusion. It’s a similar principle to how the sun produces energy.”

Also Kurama: “Never mind, the theory doesn’t matter. My chakra and your chakra are serving as kernels to produce a whole other, new type of energy. That’s all.”

Naruto, RELATING HIS UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT KURAMA JUST SAID TO WHAT HE ALREADY DOES: “Sounds pretty simple, but how is that different from Kurama Mode and Sage of Six Paths Mode?”

Listen… I respect and value your input too much to argue with you over the english language and our understand of this, and knowing myself, I’d rather not risk getting disrespectful on this front. So all I will say is, this is the context of the conversation. I stand by what I said. If you disagree, so be it.
Shadowbokunohero said:
I never said Kishi forgot Naruto has SPSM, im saying he doesnt think Naruto has it anymore. as in an active choice.
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This is the part of your argument i am not understanding. Since the start of Boruto, Naruto has been shown using it. Are you referring to post the Isshiki fight? Because the statement Naruto makes tells us he still has it and has been consistently shown using it….
Shadowbokunohero said:
which it doesnt, a character remember they had a form doesnt mean anything?, also this is the worst example you could have used for kishi, this scene was written by Kodachi.
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Except he uses SPSM consistently since the start of Boruto. So your point is being lost on me unless you wrongly Naruto has never used SPSM since the war. Literally the form he exclusively uses is Kurama Mode + SPSM. I think you of all people should know his cloak in the war is a byproduct of using all Biju Chakra at once instead of separately.
  1. Juubito
  2. Six Paths Madara
  3. Naruto
 
HelloThere1089 said:
So it has never been actually stated then. Thanks for saying that.

I don't care about TSB. I just responded to you stating that the Boruto chapter 52 scan proves Naruto still has SPSM.
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I mean, if you want to ignorantly argue what’s obvious isn’t the case in spite of what you clearly see and what has been clearly portrayed, go ahead… 🤷‍♂️
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
I mean, if you want to ignorantly argue what’s obvious isn’t the case in spite of what you clearly see and what has been clearly portrayed, go ahead… 🤷‍♂️
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Nah I just don't think cosmetics is a solid argument. And I don't think chapter 52 implies he still has SPSM. Again, I have never said Naruto doesn't have SPSM. I just don't think your arguments are good. That's all.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Nah I just don't think cosmetics is a solid argument. And I don't think chapter 52 implies he still has SPSM. Again, I have never said Naruto doesn't have SPSM. I just don't think your arguments are good. That's all.
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Truly an ignorant response, but sure 🤷‍♂️. I mean, someone who can’t figure out 2+2 equals 4 without having to be told its 4 isn’t qualified to have a valid opinion on it, but go off.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
its not because CIS its because many of the writers dont think Naruto has six paths sage anymore (including Kishi), this is supported by the anime guides and shit ton of third party media who all call Naruto's form the same thing they call KCM2 or BSM, Ikemoto is prob the only one who maybe still thinks naruto has six paths sage mode.
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Then why dose his eyes look like six paths sage mode?
 
HelloThere1089 said:
I mean I am not one to crush someone's dreams, but I just think powerscaling for the sake of competing is going to get in the way of accuracy/consistency.
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most bleach and naruto threads a few years ago were all about this. also the moment storm Naruto got low 2-C we had a Naruto vs Goku match up. its pretty clear that its for the sake of competing.

I mean if and when DBS Goku reaches low 1-C i promise you're gonna see many bleach or naruto threads trying to get to that tier as well
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Naruto, RELATING HIS UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT KURAMA JUST SAID TO WHAT HE ALREADY DOES: “Sounds pretty simple, but how is that different from Kurama Mode and Sage of Six Paths Mode?”
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absolutely not?
RELATING HIS UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT KURAMA JUST SAID TO WHAT HE ALREADY DOES
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He isnt because objectively naruto does not have any form that follows this kind of mechanic, he wouldn't relate it to something he does because objectively thats not how any of his forms work, Kurama even doubles down on it and tells us "Its different alright, from the very root of it" Kurama is saying the Mechanics are completely different as " the other modes use chakra that you acquire from somewhere else and just use it" in contrast to Baryon which uses both their chakra as raw materials to create this new energy. a mechanic cannot be entirely different from its root yet similar enough for naruto to apply it to a form which they go on to say is objectively different from the root, this creates a logic issue in what Naruto and Kurama are saying. Kurama also uses plural to distinguish the two modes in the act of "taking chakra from somewhere else and using" making the idea that naruto is referring to a process of him fusing two forms make even less sense.
NeoKingOfLight said:
Except he uses SPSM consistently since the start of Boruto. So your point is being lost on me unless you wrongly Naruto has never used SPSM since the war. Literally the form he exclusively uses is Kurama Mode + SPSM. I think you of all people should know his cloak in the war is a byproduct of using all Biju Chakra at once instead of separately.
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The Issue this is headcanon extrapolated from making reasonable assumptions, ive read the series countless times and the databook entry just as much. find me a scan that says those the definitive requirements for why that form is the way it is visually. because while those explanations are useful when we dont know anything they dont hold up against the increasing wall of contradicting information.

You wanna know how many times the form in Boruto has been called six paths sage mode since it was introduced in 2015, 9 years ago?, 0 times

you wanna know how many times its been called Kurama Mode in manga and anime guides to millions of other marketing stuff?, a shit ton, so ask yourself why would a multi million dollar company market and advertise a transformation as something it isnt. when same company had Ikemoto change his art of naruto with the sun on his palm and even fixed the coloring of early six paths promotion where his entire face was yellow. you dont see other companies promote super saiyan blue as Ultra instinct
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Truly an ignorant response, but sure 🤷‍♂️. I mean, someone who can’t figure out 2+2 equals 4 without having to be told its 4 isn’t qualified to have a valid opinion on it, but go off.
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Eh, I wouldn't take math advice from you. You thinking this situation equates to being told 2+2=4 is telling considering that 2+2=4 doesn't have any contradictions across the board. But visually SPSM in Naruto and Boruto do have many contradictions. I wouldn't be surprised if your math is just as bad as your arguments are.
 
Ryzen7900X said:
most bleach and naruto threads a few years ago were all about this. also the moment storm Naruto got low 2-C we had a Naruto vs Goku match up. its pretty clear that its for the sake of competing.

I mean if and when DBS Goku reaches low 1-C i promise you're gonna see many bleach or naruto threads trying to get to that tier as well
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This is pathetic tbh.
 
anyway for fun.

The Chibi Boruto manga calls the form Kurama Chakra Mode
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The Anime Design Sheets call it Kurama Chakra Mode
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The Manga and Anime guides call it Kurama Mode/Kurama Chakra Mode
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The games call it Kurama Chakra mode

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Naruto Retsuden
"雲の奥から、回転する風の塊が無数に落ちてきて、百はあろうかという土くれや木端を同時に粉砕した。あっという間だ。 風の動きが生む真空が、砕けたかけら破片を巻き取り圧縮して、欠片ひとつ落とさずに吸収していく。ふうとんおおだませんがん大玉螺旋丸七代目火影の得意とする風遁技の一つだ。「なんだ.........ナルトもいたのかよ。心配いらねーじゃん」キバが、空を見上げて、肩の力を抜いた。雲の切れ目から、太陽の欠片かと思うような明るい光が落ちてきて、火影岩きゆうびみずか九尾のチャクラを自らのものとして操る、最強の戦闘形九尾のチャクラモードのルトだ。
"九尾のチャクラモード = Nine tails chakra mode


From beyond the clouds, masses of swirling winds descended, pulverizing countless clods of earth and wood chips in what seemed like a hundred instances simultaneously. It happened in the blink of an eye. The vacuum created by the movement of the wind compressed and absorbed every shattered fragment without dropping a single piece.

This technique, called "Fuuton: Ōdama Rasengan" (Wind Release: Big Ball Rasengan), is a specialty of the Seventh Hokage, Naruto Uzumaki.

"What... Naruto was here too? No need to worry then," Kiba said, looking up at the sky and relaxing his shoulders.

Through a break in the clouds, bright sunlight fell, resembling fragments of the sun, onto the Hokage Rock.

This is the ultimate combat form, where one manipulates the chakra of the Nine-Tails as their own, known as the Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.


But Hey thats just me.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
anyway for fun.

The Chibi Boruto manga calls the form Kurama Chakra Mode
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The Anime Design Sheets call it Kurama Chakra Mode
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The Manga and Anime guides call it Kurama Mode/Kurama Chakra Mode
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The games call it Kurama Chakra mode

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Naruto Retsuden
"雲の奥から、回転する風の塊が無数に落ちてきて、百はあろうかという土くれや木端を同時に粉砕した。あっという間だ。 風の動きが生む真空が、砕けたかけら破片を巻き取り圧縮して、欠片ひとつ落とさずに吸収していく。ふうとんおおだませんがん大玉螺旋丸七代目火影の得意とする風遁技の一つだ。「なんだ.........ナルトもいたのかよ。心配いらねーじゃん」キバが、空を見上げて、肩の力を抜いた。雲の切れ目から、太陽の欠片かと思うような明るい光が落ちてきて、火影岩きゆうびみずか九尾のチャクラを自らのものとして操る、最強の戦闘形九尾のチャクラモードのルトだ。
"九尾のチャクラモード = Nine tails chakra mode


From beyond the clouds, masses of swirling winds descended, pulverizing countless clods of earth and wood chips in what seemed like a hundred instances simultaneously. It happened in the blink of an eye. The vacuum created by the movement of the wind compressed and absorbed every shattered fragment without dropping a single piece.

This technique, called "Fuuton: Ōdama Rasengan" (Wind Release: Big Ball Rasengan), is a specialty of the Seventh Hokage, Naruto Uzumaki.

"What... Naruto was here too? No need to worry then," Kiba said, looking up at the sky and relaxing his shoulders.

Through a break in the clouds, bright sunlight fell, resembling fragments of the sun, onto the Hokage Rock.

This is the ultimate combat form, where one manipulates the chakra of the Nine-Tails as their own, known as the Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.


But Hey thats just me.
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So he doesn’t even use toad sage mode? Very interesting
Edit: even though his eyes say otherwise
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
anyway for fun.

The Chibi Boruto manga calls the form Kurama Chakra Mode
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The Anime Design Sheets call it Kurama Chakra Mode
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The Manga and Anime guides call it Kurama Mode/Kurama Chakra Mode
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The games call it Kurama Chakra mode

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Naruto Retsuden
"雲の奥から、回転する風の塊が無数に落ちてきて、百はあろうかという土くれや木端を同時に粉砕した。あっという間だ。 風の動きが生む真空が、砕けたかけら破片を巻き取り圧縮して、欠片ひとつ落とさずに吸収していく。ふうとんおおだませんがん大玉螺旋丸七代目火影の得意とする風遁技の一つだ。「なんだ.........ナルトもいたのかよ。心配いらねーじゃん」キバが、空を見上げて、肩の力を抜いた。雲の切れ目から、太陽の欠片かと思うような明るい光が落ちてきて、火影岩きゆうびみずか九尾のチャクラを自らのものとして操る、最強の戦闘形九尾のチャクラモードのルトだ。
"九尾のチャクラモード = Nine tails chakra mode


From beyond the clouds, masses of swirling winds descended, pulverizing countless clods of earth and wood chips in what seemed like a hundred instances simultaneously. It happened in the blink of an eye. The vacuum created by the movement of the wind compressed and absorbed every shattered fragment without dropping a single piece.

This technique, called "Fuuton: Ōdama Rasengan" (Wind Release: Big Ball Rasengan), is a specialty of the Seventh Hokage, Naruto Uzumaki.

"What... Naruto was here too? No need to worry then," Kiba said, looking up at the sky and relaxing his shoulders.

Through a break in the clouds, bright sunlight fell, resembling fragments of the sun, onto the Hokage Rock.

This is the ultimate combat form, where one manipulates the chakra of the Nine-Tails as their own, known as the Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.


But Hey thats just me.
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It's Joever. Naruto has been fraudified.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
I didn’t say that, I just said WA Kaguya >>>> Juubidara.
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But I mean how do you reconcile that w 1E Juubidara being close to Hag, 2E Juubidara being relative to Hag, and Hagoromo fighting Kaguya for months?
NeoKingOfLight said:
It’s really irritating to keep seeing the narrative that, “Naruto cant make more TSB”. THAT’S FALSE!!!

  • Obito demonstrated on panel that you can create AT LEAST 1 TSB when you have Six Paths Power.
  • Toneri demonstrated that it’s possible to recreate an entire set when they are destroyed.

Naruto/Madara not making more =\= the inability to do so when the ability is SHOWN being able to be recreated from scratch. And no, that is not BZ being turned into one. BZ is simply receding out of the way of the TSB piercing Obito’s hand.

Naruto NOT creating one is CIS, nothing more. Not that it would matter as Momoshiki’s Rinnegan > TSB via Absorbtion. Delta Eyes > TSB via Absorption. Jigen/Isshiki > TSB via Sukunahikona & Karma.
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I think it's that you need Six Paths Senjutsu, not just Six Paths chakra, and Naruto lost the Magatama markings indicative of that in Boruto
Shadowbokunohero said:
anyway for fun.

The Chibi Boruto manga calls the form Kurama Chakra Mode
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The Anime Design Sheets call it Kurama Chakra Mode
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The Manga and Anime guides call it Kurama Mode/Kurama Chakra Mode
ze3qoUS.png


The games call it Kurama Chakra mode

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21AM10U.png


Naruto Retsuden
"雲の奥から、回転する風の塊が無数に落ちてきて、百はあろうかという土くれや木端を同時に粉砕した。あっという間だ。 風の動きが生む真空が、砕けたかけら破片を巻き取り圧縮して、欠片ひとつ落とさずに吸収していく。ふうとんおおだませんがん大玉螺旋丸七代目火影の得意とする風遁技の一つだ。「なんだ.........ナルトもいたのかよ。心配いらねーじゃん」キバが、空を見上げて、肩の力を抜いた。雲の切れ目から、太陽の欠片かと思うような明るい光が落ちてきて、火影岩きゆうびみずか九尾のチャクラを自らのものとして操る、最強の戦闘形九尾のチャクラモードのルトだ。
"九尾のチャクラモード = Nine tails chakra mode


From beyond the clouds, masses of swirling winds descended, pulverizing countless clods of earth and wood chips in what seemed like a hundred instances simultaneously. It happened in the blink of an eye. The vacuum created by the movement of the wind compressed and absorbed every shattered fragment without dropping a single piece.

This technique, called "Fuuton: Ōdama Rasengan" (Wind Release: Big Ball Rasengan), is a specialty of the Seventh Hokage, Naruto Uzumaki.

"What... Naruto was here too? No need to worry then," Kiba said, looking up at the sky and relaxing his shoulders.

Through a break in the clouds, bright sunlight fell, resembling fragments of the sun, onto the Hokage Rock.

This is the ultimate combat form, where one manipulates the chakra of the Nine-Tails as their own, known as the Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.


But Hey thats just me.
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My stance on the whole Kurama Mode vs Six Paths Sage Mode thing is that they're not mutually exclusive. He does use Kurama Mode in Boruto, it's just stacked on Six Paths Sage Mode. Like we quite literally see Naruto go Base SPSM before stacking Kurama Mode against Isshiki, idk how you can call that anything but SPSM
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
He isnt because objectively naruto does not have any form that follows this kind of mechanic, he wouldn't relate it to something he does because objectively thats not how any of his forms work, Kurama even doubles down on it and tells us "Its different alright, from the very root of it" Kurama is saying the Mechanics are completely different as " the other modes use chakra that you acquire from somewhere else and just use it" in contrast to Baryon which uses both their chakra as raw materials to create this new energy.
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My brother, this is going against the entire tenants of Chakra as a whole. Naruto uses SPSM stacked ontop of Kurama Mode. The entire reason Kurama mode in the Boruto Era is as strong as it is is BECAUSE it is amped by the SPC Naruto has. When Naruto uses TBB, Rasengans, etc, its not simply “Either Or”…The Chakra’s are fused resulting in the greater strength. And you are categorically wrong that he doesn’t have a form that works like Baryon Mode. Stacking SPSM ontop of Kurama Mode is the same Principle as Stacking SM untop of Kurama Mode unless you also think BSM is nothing like KuramaSPSM. Yes, “Nuclear Fusion” is a principle that is orders of magnitude higher than simple fusion, but the principle between SM and Baryon Mode is the same.
Shadowbokunohero said:
a mechanic cannot be entirely different from its root yet similar enough for naruto to apply it to a form which they go on to say is objectively different from the root, this creates a logic issue in what Naruto and Kurama are saying.
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Does SM not work on the same principle as Baryon Mode?
Shadowbokunohero said:
Kurama also uses plural to distinguish the two modes in the act of "taking chakra from somewhere else and using" making the idea that naruto is referring to a process of him fusing two forms make even less sense.
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Except we know that’s not how Chakra works for the purposes of Ninjutsu. This is going all the way back to Ebisu. KuramaSPSM is presumably used the same as Naruto’s BSM unless you think Naruto is not using SPC and Kurama Chakra simultaneously in which case, besides the greater sensory capabilities, why is SPSM > SM for the purposes of a power amp? If Kurama Mode is not amped by SPC because you think they don’t fuse to produce a stronger chakra like even BSM let alone Baryon Mode which would be orders of magnitude greater, why is better than BSM?

You see, your interpretation leads to far more inconsistencies if I understand your argument correctly.
Shadowbokunohero said:
The Issue this is headcanon extrapolated from making reasonable assumptions, ive read the series countless times and the databook entry just as much.
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I reject the notion it’s headcanon… Perfect SM still has Pigmentation (Be it Koji, Hashi, Kabuto or Naruto). SPSM is expressly portrayed as not having the SM Pigmentation.

To my knowledge there has never been a statement acknowledging the lack of Pigmentation for SPSM but Kishimoto and Ikemoto have consistently portrayed when Naruto has Pigmentation or Not.

So leaning on consistent portrayal (And yes, there has been 0 contradiction in this aspect), why would the lack of Pigmentation w/ “+” eyes mean anything other than SPSM? I think it’s headcanon to suggest otherwise.
Shadowbokunohero said:
find me a scan that says those the definitive requirements for why that form is the way it is visually. because while those explanations are useful when we dont know anything they dont hold up against the increasing wall of contradicting information.
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Except there is no contradictions… you keep mentioning guide books, but to my knowledge, no guide has ever stated “+” eyes be it SPSM or Regular BSM is “Simply” Kurama Mode. The obvious shouldn’t have to be stated. And even if they didn’t acknowledge Pigmentation or “+” eyes, that doesn’t mean we are to ignore the usage of other forms.
Shadowbokunohero said:
You wanna know how many times the form in Boruto has been called six paths sage mode since it was introduced in 2015, 9 years ago?, 0 times
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Again, why does the onvious have to be stated? You want to know how many times it was conversely called “sage mode”? 0 times. So your point is…?
Shadowbokunohero said:
you wanna know how many times its been called Kurama Mode in manga and anime guides to millions of other marketing stuff?, a shit ton, so ask yourself why would a multi million dollar company market and advertise a transformation as something it isnt.
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This isn’t a valid argument. The lack of acknowledgement doesn’t negate the fact the form is being used. Be it “+” eyes w or without Pigmentation, NARUTO isn’t JUST using Kurama Mode and I reject any argument that attempts to ignore that fact.
Shadowbokunohero said:
when same company had Ikemoto change his art of naruto with the sun on his palm and even fixed the coloring of early six paths promotion where his entire face was yellow. you dont see other companies promote super saiyan blue as Ultra instinct
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Again… Kurama Mode isn’t the only form being used and I will continue to reject any argument that ignores “+” w or w/o pigmentation as JUST Kurama Mode.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
He does use Kurama Mode in Boruto, it's just stacked on Six Paths Sage Mode.
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its really weird and important piece of information to omit in every single reference material to this form, it also doesnt reconcicle the fact that the previous six paths form that used Kurama's cloak isnt called Kurama mode, it also doesnt make sense for them to be so obtuse in the form
MinatoSparkle said:
Like we quite literally see Naruto go Base SPSM before stacking Kurama Mode against Isshiki, idk how you can call that anything but SPSM
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If your referring to the scene when his talking to Ino then thats an in between frame used when drawing characters transforming, also id say the anime is prob the worst example to use as there specific episode guides that just refer to it as nine tails chakra mode, i think the only person that genuinely believes its six paths sage mode is Ikemoto because even though it was corrected in later volumes, the fact that he drew a sun design on his palm tells me where his head is at.
 
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