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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

AlternativePrinciple said:
If you are gonna go of fiction like you say for hyperspace then that should hold true for parallel dimension which are often considered as parallel universe in fiction
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no? when does parallel dimension always refer to a parallel universe? And once again this site has strict standards for accepting what is and isnt universal. So unless you have explicit evidence for size playing semantics with words isnt gonna help your case that's just how it is
AlternativePrinciple said:
Yea if the proof is enough that they can't ignore it, like feats that go like affecting and stuff, then they can't just ignore it or else they will be called out for it.
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they've never been ignored, the feats just dont exist, that's all. if universal Naruto was as indisputable of a truth as you imply it would've been accepted long ago. I cant deny there's bias against Naruto but there is for almost every series the most common is probably Dragon Ball due to its popularity and status, that doesnt mean someone is trying to actively keep Naruto specifically from reaching Universal. it would reach there if it had the evidence like other series did
 
HelloThere1089 said:
  1. SPSM KCM in Naruto has no yellow color on Naruto's face, but in Boruto he does in Kurama mode.
  2. After losing Kurama he used sage mode instead of SPSM. SPSM is better than SM. If he still had it he would've used it.
  3. Kurama Mode in Boruto looks way closer to KCM 2 than SPSM KCM, design wise.
  4. It is called Kurama mode in Boruto.
  5. SPSM gives Naruto flight which he never displayed in Boruto. Also other abilities.
  6. SPSM KCM in Naruto had 9 comma things on his back while Kurama Mode in Boruto and KCM 2 in Naruto have the same (almost) design on his back.
  7. SPSM KCM in Naruto had black pants while in Boruto he doesn't.
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I think the solution is to drop the six paths sage mode and Kurama mode and just start calling it " MODE" and when someone asks which mode you just point to the form like a Schrodinger's paradox where he is both at the same time until someone decides his one or the other based on whatever visual they think counts the most in describing the form lmfao

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Ryzen7900X said:
no? when does parallel dimension always refer to a parallel universe? And once again this site has strict standards for accepting what is and isnt universal. So unless you have explicit evidence for size playing semantics with words isnt gonna help your case that's just how it is
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Literally every other medium of fiction considers parallel dimension as universal, you can also do a quick Google search and will say universe
Ryzen7900X said:
they've never been ignored, the feats just dont exist, that's all. if universal Naruto was as indisputable of a truth as you imply it would've been accepted long ago. I cant deny there's bias against Naruto but there is for almost every series the most common is probably Dragon Ball due to its popularity and status, that doesnt mean someone is trying to actively keep Naruto specifically from reaching Universal. it would reach there if it had the evidence like other series did
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K, let's wait until I eventually drop one, then you can get a front row seat to all the ways mods try to get the thread closed
 
AlternativePrinciple said:
Literally every other medium of fiction considers parallel dimension as universal, you can also do a quick Google search and will say universe
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like I said, you're gonna have to prove it with evidence from within the verse. "every other medium of fiction" isn't Naruto. plus like I said that isn't even true. there are spaces in saint seiya referred to as parallel dimensions but they aren't universal in size.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
I think the solution is to drop the six paths sage mode and Kurama mode and just start calling it " MODE" and when someone asks which mode you just point to the form like a Schrodinger's paradox where he is both at the same time until someone decides his one or the other based on whatever visual they think counts the most in describing the form lmfao
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Lmao. Or come up with a "many modes theorem" to combat this dilemma where Naruto is using Kurama mode and SPSM but in separate dimensions.
 
Ryzen7900X said:
like I said, you're gonna have to prove it with evidence from within the verse. "every other medium of fiction" isn't Naruto. plus like I said that isn't even true. there are spaces in saint seiya referred to as parallel dimensions but they aren't universal in size.
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Wasn't the Saint verse getting upgraded to L1C
 
Nierre said:
this New Era nerf needs to be studied. Just talking abt it is pissing me off

Biggest fumble of this era
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Shadowbokunohero said:
Umm lmfao
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Things are already getting amped over this and this is rude, Shadow. I’m making the effort to respectfully respond to all of your points no matter how ridiculous i think a few are. I’d really appreciate we not start doing that.

That said, yes, SM is working on the same principle as Baryon Mode, or rather I should say produces the same end result. As you know, chakra used for Ninjutsu is the fusion of Yin/Yang energies in the body. Senjutsu is byproduct of fusing NE into that system. So yes, the principle is the same at a basic level. Nuclear Fusion is still operating on that same basic principle, just orders of magnitude above.
Shadowbokunohero said:
no it doesnt?, Senjutsu is combining chakra and nature energy, in the same way mixing primarily colors may give you something different, baryon is the equivalent of.........take a guess.... Nuclear fusion
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Ok, seems like we’re taking it there…

I don’t think you understand the principle of SM as well as you think you do. Sage Jutsu, as the manga explains to you, is the fuision of Chakra and NE. That fusion is stated to produce stronger chakra. Maybe it’s just that you don’t understand “NuClEaR fUsIoN” as well as you think you do? 🤔

I suggest you brush up on your understanding, since… You think you’re funny.

SM is literally based on the same basic principle as Baryon Mode (I.E., fusing two energies to produce a greater, stronger energy) and i’m done being polite about this argument if feel like you’re free to intellectually insult me, which is ironic considering you clearly don’t understand chemistry IF you think the basic tenants of “adding mint flavor to vanilla soft serve” isn’t operating on the same basic principle as nuclear fusion. Tbh, you shouldn’t be arguing it if you don’t understand something that basic.

The only difference is, as I have stated already, Nuclear Fusion is Orders of Magnitude more intense.

You keep things respectful with me and you’ll have no issue with me reciprocating that respect back to you. Like I asked before, let’s not take it there. I have mad respect for you.
Shadowbokunohero said:
Reword this, i have legit no idea what your saying lol
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It’s not hard to understand what I said here. Kurama Mode + SPSM, which Naruto is using, presumably operates the same as his regular BSM (Fusing NE w/ Kurama’s Chakra). The ebisu part is self explanatory. And if you don’t think KuramaSPSM works the same as BSM (I.E., the chakra isn’t fused to produce greater/stronger chakra), then refer to the second half of that quoted part… 😕
Shadowbokunohero said:
i dont have an interpretation im literally just telling you whats stated and whats told to us, your the one filling in the gaps with information thats omitted
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No, that’s what you’re doing. You’re interpreting Kurama and Naruto’s statements to be referring to something else (Which, the “actual” context of the discussion does not support), and you’re trying to justify it by ignoring what’s actually shown and making statements not supported by canon, which is you stating Naruto’s forms don’t work like Baryon Mode, which spawned a separate discussion (Check Above).
Shadowbokunohero said:
SPSM is also expressively portrayed with 9 magatama, human colored skin and very specific markings for his torso, but i guess we only count design changes when it suits us.
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Or maybe you just need to reread the manga again... 🤷‍♂️
Shadowbokunohero said:
See Above
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Replied to your overall argument on this in one of my responses. You probably responded by time I get to responding to this.
Shadowbokunohero said:
there is, we just ignore them by rationalizing our own ideas to make it work, the form is called six paths sage mode but is somehow is called Kurama mode by everyone else, but of course the creators totally mean Kurama mode+Six Paths sage mode but just decide to call it Kurama mode for reasons. Airtight logic.
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I’m sorry but there is literally not. You ignoring Naruto stacking forms is not proof of there being contradictions. The sources you posted may not have acknowledged that is what he is doing, but portrayal does. We aren’t the bleach fandom either, so ignoring consistent portrayal in a visual medium for statements (That if we’re being honest still doesn’t negate the fact it’s stacked forms) won’t fly.
Shadowbokunohero said:
because the people who work on these stories and products say otherwise
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They really don’t, and these same people have also consistently shown that you’re wrong as they consistently show he’s stacking forms, every goddamn time he uses the form. You’re just choosing to ignore that… So please, let’s not keep doing this dance. 😔
Shadowbokunohero said:
uhhh yeah they do.
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Addressed this already.
Shadowbokunohero said:
no everytime its been used in the new era its been called sage mode lmfao, what you talking about
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Iirc, in the Manga and Novels, it hasn’t. I don’t remember every instance in the Anime, but even if it did, you act like Kishimoto and Ikemoto don’t know the difference between SM and SPSM designs (Pigmentation vs No Pigmentation). It’s not the same, bro… 🤦‍♂️
Shadowbokunohero said:
so your basically substituting reality for your own?
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How about you just stop ignoring facts of the manga? That way you wouldn’t have to feel like that and level horse shit allegations against me like that?
Shadowbokunohero said:
take up with the writers not me.
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Fair enough. Considering you’re just wrong anyways and your entire argument is based on ignoring shit, talking to you about this is pointless then. 🤷‍♂️
 
HelloThere1089 said:
  1. SPSM KCM in Naruto has no yellow color on Naruto's face, but in Boruto he does in Kurama mode.
  2. After losing Kurama he used sage mode instead of SPSM. SPSM is better than SM. If he still had it he would've used it.
  3. Kurama Mode in Boruto looks way closer to KCM 2 than SPSM KCM, design wise.
  4. It is called Kurama mode in Boruto.
  5. SPSM gives Naruto flight which he never displayed in Boruto. Also other abilities.
  6. SPSM KCM in Naruto had 9 comma things on his back while Kurama Mode in Boruto and KCM 2 in Naruto have the same (almost) design on his back.
  7. SPSM KCM in Naruto had black pants while in Boruto he doesn't.
You're just arbitrarily declaring that the + sign is the only design choice that matters even tho there are tons of differences that any human with functioning eyes can see.

Is that what you call getting railed on all fronts? Sad. Maybe try less confirmation bias next time.
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Bro, i’m not reading anything you reply to me, I don’t have time to discuss a damn thing with you. Hop off it. 🤡

Hell, ignore me for all I care.
 
oh naw yall getting heated in here, let's take it down a notch. it ain't that serious.. unless someone makes a CRT.. 👀
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
I’m just basing this off of what I replied to but whatever

Ok then why do his eyes still look like SPSM?
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Take it up with the writers apparently, not him. He has no answers for why they consistently debunk his argument by drawing Naruto in SPSM.

Ah, but it’s not SPSM because it’s not called that apparently, as if we’re ******* stupid… 🙃
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Pretty sure it's just one person getting heated. I'm chilling.
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Nierre said:
oh naw yall getting heated in here, let's take it down a notch. it ain't that serious.. unless someone makes a CRT.. 👀
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As I said before, I simply give back the energy given to me… People keep it cordial with me, I keep it cordial with them.
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People can read the replies and see the type of energy that was being put out at me. That’s all I’m saying…
 
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