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Mahito vs. Yoshikage Kira (Grace)

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  • Shibuya Incident Arc is used
  • Speed will be equalized
  • Battle takes place in the Dogenzaka Alley
  • No Prep Time or Information of each other
  • Both start 10 meters away from each other

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Mahito:
Yoshikage Kira: 7 (BoastJr, Dr._whiteee, ZillertheBucko, FantaRin_The_First, Naito-desu, Shadyboi0, Unknownnah)
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I think he cant interact with them either so it’s gonna be a problem for mahito to land attacks on him in close quarters.
 
As per usual with Jojo Stand Users, I do have to mention that Kira's reactions and stand will be mostly unaffected by Speed Equal due to its odd rules...

Meaning, Mahito is going to have to do massive AoE attacks that leaves no openings just for the very small chance of hitting Kira due to the hand lover being 174810.496x faster than Mahito even when assuming baseline Subsonic+/Rela speeds.

Mahito can see the shape of the soul which is something most sorcerors can't do despite seeing curses which are invisible.

He also doesn't appear to have an answer to fear hax.
Isn't that just a different brand of NPI/Enhanced Senses, tho? And the only reason Sorcerors can't see souls is just cuz falls outside of the scope or smth?

So is the fear hax just like a reistu crush? Like if they don't resist it, a character immediately dies on the spot?
 
Isn't that just a different brand of NPI/Enhanced Senses, tho? And the only reason Sorcerors can't see souls is just cuz falls outside of the scope or smth?

So is the fear hax just like a reistu crush? Like if they don't resist it, a character immediately dies on the spot?
Not sure what you mean since at the end of the day we're talking about perception. Sorcs can see curses yet can't see the soul despite being able to unconsciously defend their soul. Can you elaborate?

Nah, not quite on the same level, it mostly causes people to become incapacitated due to fear but it doesn't outright kill them. However, exporusre to cursed energy will indeed erode the mind (leaving the victim comatose without resistance after a while) and body (direct contact will begin to warp the body and eventually cause death once touched).
 
Not sure what you mean since at the end of the day we're talking about perception. Sorcs can see curses yet can't see the soul despite being able to unconsciously defend their soul. Can you elaborate?

Nah, not quite on the same level, it mostly causes people to become incapacitated due to fear but it doesn't outright kill them. However, exporusre to cursed energy will indeed erode the mind (leaving the victim comatose without resistance after a while) and body (direct contact will begin to warp the body and eventually cause death once touched).
Idk, man. Been awhile since I read the manga and my only recent "refresher" was the anime. So if I am wrong, I am wrong.

So would it just cause Kira to standstill and do absolute nothing to defend himself as Mahito gets close and touches him or would it just cause him to do irrational things like run away without looking back? How soon is awhile, btw? 30 seconds? A minute? Few minutes? Etc, etc, you get the idea.

More important topic, tho... Can Kira percieve and interact with Mahito? IIRC, you can see curses if you can see souls (+ Stands are doubled layered invis since ghost can't see 'em and normal people can't see ghost), so I am leaning towards "maybe yes".

Also, we gotta talk about the speed issue. If Kira can see Mahito, he'll see him moving in extreme slow slow-mo due to the vast speed difference and could possibly put him down since Kira can destroy the soul with his First Bomb, if I am not mistaken.
 
Idk, man. Been awhile since I read the manga and my only recent "refresher" was the anime. So if I am wrong, I am wrong.
No problem bro, I was just more trying to ascertain what you meant.
So would it just cause Kira to standstill and do absolute nothing to defend himself as Mahito gets close and touches him or would it just cause him to do irrational things like run away without looking back? How soon is awhile, btw? 30 seconds? A minute? Few minutes? Etc, etc, you get the idea.
It bascially makes people freeze in fear and/or freak out but typically leaves one in a catatonic state.

Cursed energy itself corrupts physiology leading to death while also affecting the mind leading to coma with enough exposure.
More important topic, tho... Can Kira percieve and interact with Mahito? IIRC, you can see curses if you can see souls (+ Stands are doubled layered invis since ghost can't see 'em and normal people can't see ghost), so I am leaning towards "maybe yes".
Nah, souls in JJK require layered perception and there is even distinctions between seeing the souls of living beings and the souls of inanimate objects due to the ontology of the jjk verse.

I don't think Mahito or Kira will struggle interacting with each other.
Also, we gotta talk about the speed issue. If Kira can see Mahito, he'll see him moving in extreme slow slow-mo due to the vast speed difference and could possibly put him down since Kira can destroy the soul with his First Bomb, if I am not mistaken.
Yeah if Kira has an extreme speed advantage then Mahito will struggle to tag him. The problem is that he doesn't have knowledge so he won't know that a single touch in Cqc means death and also won't know to flee (also his speed his reaction wise not travel wise) a domain expansion which is GG's for him.

the biggest problem I see is that Mahito essentially no sells the transmutation aspect of Kira. Unless Kira can trasnmute his soul Mahito can just rregen his body until he gets a lucky tag or uses DE.

Can kira transmute souls?
 
Thx for your clarification.

You will like have to ask Jojo supporters with more knowhow then me to get a more clearer answer, but... I assume ye, Kira's transmutation does cover the soul since Shigekiyo's soul was also turned into a bomb and was explicitly exploded and destroyed.

His first move, when he isn't affected by outside factors or goals, is to immediately turn someone into a bomb and explode them either by touching them directly or via Killer Queen. If Kira touches Mahito, he probs gets immediately ****** over. Killer Queen might be safe, but not totally sure.

Assuming Kira's speeds manages to help him evade Mahito's attacks for a bit, would it cause him to use DM right off the bat out of frustration or would he just try to use AoE attacks first in an attempt to overcome his speed then a DM if all else fails?

Actually... Considering there is 10m of distance between them, would Mahito run up to Kira right away or would he pelt him with projectiles and keep his distance?
 
Yeah if Kira has an extreme speed advantage then Mahito will struggle to tag him. The problem is that he doesn't have knowledge so he won't know that a single touch in Cqc means death and also won't know to flee (also his speed his reaction wise not travel wise) a domain expansion which is GG's for him.
Doesn't need knowledge, Stand dudes in general know that shit is bad, Kira himself is basically why they know that shit is bad.
Any contact with Kira or KQ will lead to Bomb#1, or even worse, contact with anything they've touched, as he can move the charge beween objects. Example, Kira can turn a button or a coin into a bomb instead, if his enemy makes any contact with it, he can use that as a intermedium, and take the transmutive charge from that object, and move it to his foe, if he thinks contact or geting to close is risky, which he would by default if Mahito can sense KQ for any reason whatsoever, as Kira would automaticaly assume he has a Stand.
the biggest problem I see is that Mahito essentially no sells the transmutation aspect of Kira. Unless Kira can trasnmute his soul Mahito can just rregen his body until he gets a lucky tag or uses DE.
He can, his bombs annihilate and vaporize the souls of those it kills. Plus it's a Stand, they can inherently effect souls and ghosts, like by default, something noted irnically while they raided his very house, fortunately Kira has a bunch of feats but even if he didn't.

Can kira transmute souls?
Yes, he can literally transmute Stands, layered NPI, and Bomb#1 has killed ghosts flatout, and every victim's soul from bomb#1 has been shown being dusted, unable to reach heaven. All of this is on his profile. Stand NPI extends to numerous things anyway, whether it's various elemental intangibility like light and shadow, or even abstracts like WoU.

As for fear, he has a comparable will to Jotaro (this scan should be on the profile as well), he should be fine given Jotaro's will is enough that fear aura that can paralyze you, make you fear for your life, make you feel ill, all without even knowing the source, he doesn't give a rat's ass about. TW itself even has its fear hax confirmed in 6251.
 
Doesn't need knowledge, Stand dudes in general know that shit is bad, Kira himself is basically why they know that shit is bad.
Any contact with Kira or KQ will lead to Bomb#1, or even worse, contact with anything they've touched, as he can move the charge beween objects. Example, Kira can turn a button or a coin into a bomb instead, if his enemy makes any contact with it, he can use that as a intermedium, and take the transmutive charge from that object, and move it to his foe, if he thinks contact or geting to close is risky, which he would by default if Mahito can sense KQ for any reason whatsoever, as Kira would automaticaly assume he has a Stand.

He can, his bombs annihilate and vaporize the souls of those it kills. Plus it's a Stand, they can inherently effect souls and ghosts, like by default, something noted irnically while they raided his very house, fortunately Kira has a bunch of feats but even if he didn't.


Yes, he can literally transmute Stands, layered NPI, and Bomb#1 has killed ghosts flatout, and every victim's soul from bomb#1 has been shown being dusted, unable to reach heaven. All of this is on his profile. Stand NPI extends to numerous things anyway, whether it's various elemental intangibility like light and shadow, or even abstracts like WoU.

As for fear, he has a comparable will to Jotaro (this scan should be on the profile as well), he should be fine given Jotaro's will is enough that fear aura that can paralyze you, make you fear for your life, make you feel ill, all without even knowing the source, he doesn't give a rat's ass about. TW itself even has its fear hax confirmed in 6251.
I mean the first paragraph doesn't really adress the danger as he still doesn't know that a single touch will end him and has no clue DE is GG.

However, if Kira can transmute the soul and block the fear manip, Mahito doesn't really stand a chance given the speed advantage. Can I get scans for transmutation affecting a human soul or stand, and also panels for the fear resist stuff?
 
I mean the first paragraph doesn't really adress the danger as he still doesn't know that a single touch will end him and has no clue DE is GG.
He doesnt need to know the exact reason why, he wouldn't let himself be touched untill he knows what he can do.
Can I get scans for transmutation affecting a human soul or stand, and also panels for the fear resist stuff?
Literally all on the profile dog, even the will scaling, given I just checked 🗿
 
That's not how things work lol.
Yes it is?
Kira, would not, let an unknown enemy touch him, unless he knew what he can do. Like every Stand mf is like that, it's how they role given like 50% of stands have have instant kill hax on contact 🗿
Fortunately, KQ exists, so he very well can prevent that.
Ok, I checked and didn't see. You could just, ya know, post the panels.
Bro, the scans were linked at like 5 different spots on the profile, in his NPI, his feat box (twice, maybe 3), and his ability description. I can get niche stuff, but I'm not posting scans posted like 5 times on the profile, ya can do that much.
 
Ok

Kira turns anything he touches into a "bomb" and upon detonation it destroys the soul as well. As long as he interacts with an object he can turn in into a bomb.

We see shigechi's soul getting destroyed in chapter 347 of the manga


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Kira has immense willpower and has been in situations where he was cornerned and nearly had his identity revealed yet managed to power through it.

The jotaro scaling is interesting because jotaro in part 3 against darby managed to make him give up just via bluffing and it was so bad he Was aging somehow.

I think he should be able to power through it first.

Mahito's only hope is to start with Domain Expansion because its the only way to tag Kira.

I am voting Kira for now because his wincon seems easier and quicker on the draw
 
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Yes it is?
Kira, would not, let an unknown enemy touch him, unless he knew what he can do. Like every Stand mf is like that, it's how they role given like 50% of stands have have instant kill hax on contact 🗿
Fortunately, KQ exists, so he very well can prevent that.
It's not. Being wary of esoteric abilities does not equate to being aware of minute details that might end a fight in one hit.

I get your point that as a non CqC fighter he may do his best to avoid someone hitting him, but to claim he'll have some crazy intuition leading him to understand Mahito's CT and DE is wild.
Bro, the scans were linked at like 5 different spots on the profile, in his NPI, his feat box (twice, maybe 3), and his ability description. I can get niche stuff, but I'm not posting scans posted like 5 times on the profile, ya can do that much.
Ok, so you did all that work but couldn't copy and paste some links? got it.

Can a reasonable fan please link the aforementioned scans for ya boi?
 
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Ok

Kira turns anything he touches into a "bomb" and upon detonation it destroys the soul as well. As long as he interacts with an object he can turn in into a bomb.

We see shigechi's soul getting destroyed in chapter 347 of the manga


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Kira has immense willpower and has been in situations where he has cornerned and nearly had his identity revealed yet managed to power through it.

The jotaro scaling is interesting because jotaro in part 3 against darby managed to make him give up just via bluffing and it was so bad he Was aging somehow.

I think he should be able to power through it first.

Mahito's only hope is to start with Domain Expansion because its the only way to tag Kira.

I am voting Kira for now because his wincon seems easier and quicker on the draw
Thank you.

From what I see Kira is def taking this if he can resist the fear manip, however I haven't really seen anything suggesting he can (obviosuly gonna stay my vote until people get a chance to post scans).
 
It's not. Being wary of esoteric abilities does not equate to being aware of minute details that might end a fight in one hit.
What? Don't be obtuse, the ability, doesnt matter. Mahito could have absolutely none, at all, Kira would still go out of his way to avoid being touched.
Every fight he's ever been in has been a "if i get hit once, at all, i lose".
I get your point that as a non CqC fighter he may do his best to avoid someone hitting him, but to claim he'll have some crazy intuition leading him to understand Mahito's CT and DE is wild.
What? Again, he doesn't need to know, he would simply assume the worst because they all do? His power could be making bubbles, Kira doesn't know that, as such, he would avoid that. The very fact he doesn't know, is why he'd act that way, not because he instinctively knows.
Ok, so you did all that work but could copy and paste some links? got it.

Can a reasonable fan please link the aforementioned scans for ya boi?
Read the profile, literally the least you can do.
 
What? Don't be obtuse, the ability, doesnt matter. Mahito could have absolutely none, at all, Kira would still go out of his way to avoid being touched.
Every fight he's ever been in has been a "if i get hit once, at all, i lose".

What? Again, he doesn't need to know, he would simply assume the worst because they all do? His power could be making bubbles, Kira doesn't know that, as such, he would avoid that. The very fact he doesn't know, is why he'd act that way, not because he instinctively knows.

Read the profile, literally the least you can do.
Yeah, you don't need to respond anymore bro bro, it's clear you can't have a reasonable convo with me so I'll confer with the other Jojo fans to make my decision.
 
Okay, moving on... How quick is Mahito in opening his Domain? That's going to be his main win-con, from my understanding. Plus, the 10m distance might incentive him in using it.
 
Just my two cents since I don't remember pt4 much, but Kira was a cautious stand user when it came to anyone I believe.

There's no fear hax resistance on page or on stand page. His willpower should be enough to overcome the basic fear inducement curses have though.
 
Okay, moving on... How quick is Mahito in opening his Domain? That's going to be his main win-con, from my understanding. Plus, the 10m distance might incentive him in using it.
Mahito usually only pulls out his domain once he realizes he can't win otherwise so it's likely to not be a factor here since Kira's transmutation is a much more casual to pull off and can actually hit Mahito.
 
Okay, moving on... How quick is Mahito in opening his Domain? That's going to be his main win-con, from my understanding. Plus, the 10m distance might incentive him in using it.
How quick will he result to it or you mean speed? It's able to move fast enough to trap sorcerers on par with him, subsonic+, can say transonic but that's it really.
 
Yeah, you don't need to respond anymore bro bro, it's clear you can't have a reasonable convo with me so I'll confer with the other Jojo fans to make my decision.
Because I said read the profile? Nobody should have to do the thing you should've done before making even a single comment.
"Non-Physical Interaction (Stands can interact with ghosts[5][6] and other Stands), Transmutation & Explosion Manipulation (Can convert anything he touches into a bomb, which he can then detonate at will, grants Kira the ability to do this[9][10] as well), Soul Destruction (His bombs affect the soul as well[11][12])"

You somehow missed this? I have been reasonable, just because I'm not going to do your job for you, doesn't mean this isn't a normal conversation. While you're at it, you should probably read it anyway given BTD is a thing that he can use Mahito as a conduit to utilize, or SHA, or even Stray Cat.
Okay, moving on... How quick is Mahito in opening his Domain? That's going to be his main win-con, from my understanding. Plus, the 10m distance might incentive him in using it.
10m is just asking for KQ to turn a button or coin into a bomb instead, given it's 2m range.
 
Mahito: hehe.. time to solo domain expansion on this 10 meter range..! you cant win!
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yoshitkage kira: killer queen THROW that coin that is inflicted with the first bomb!
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mahito: that coin didn't even scratch my 8-a durability, time to solo! domain ex-
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Mahito's DE is not limited to 10m, he caught a several story Mechazord in his domain from easily 50m away.
 


Random Dio fear stuff, also Abdul running away on sight

A "normal" person kinda acts like this (I say normal because he still has a superhuman strength of will at this point, just exponentially less than later).


Jotaro and Kira are like tied, Kira was even said to have surpassed him while desperate. Scan of which is on profile.
 


Random Dio fear stuff, also Abdul running away on sight

A "normal" person kinda acts like this (I say normal because he still has a superhuman strength of will at this point, just exponentially less than later).


Jotaro and Kira are like tied, Kira was even said to have surpassed him while desperate. Scan of which is on profile.

Thank you for the scans/evidence.

Voting Kira
 
Just my two cents since I don't remember pt4 much, but Kira was a cautious stand user when it came to anyone I believe.
Kira regularly tried to kill the Morioh gang with different methods such as using a remote stand which locked into thermal energy, using some weird time travel loop where anyone who finds out his name or identity is killed by a miniature Killer Queen.

Kira rarely every left his victims alive and wasn't caught for years. He is also shown to be observant as he tried analysing the Cat Plant stand user at first.


anyways yeah this should wrap things up I guess. Kira ftw ! (Counting 4 votes)
 
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