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Dragon Ball Conceptual Manipulation End Closing

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Space and time in Dragon Ball is represented in a different, way time in Dragon Ball shapes all reality, the living proof of this is the canon materials stating that space and time is a concept and that in the place you are in there are no concepts of space-time.


"There is a subspace that belongs nowhere. There is no concept of "time" or "space" and it is located at the edge of a dimension isolated from any other area"
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It is said many times that space and time is a concept


The world of emptiness has no space-time in it and is filled with eternal anime nothingness




To reinforce that there are no concepts of space-time in the world of the void, a guide is available in Spain and here in Brazil


"The place where the tournament of power will take place is a dimension where the concepts of space and time do not exist. The Realm of Nothingness can be controlled by the Great Priest and although it has limitations, at the same time it allows each fighter to fight in the gravity conditions of their own planet. Its combat arena is made of a very resistant material: Ultra Resistant Material."
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Guide trailer available on YouTube



The entire guide is licensed by Toei (it has its credits and such)




Furthermore, the company itself has partnerships with several companies, such as Toei, etc.


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All material on this album is taken from the work itself and is in canon form.


I think it's type 2

Dependent Concepts: Such concepts are abstract and govern all reality within their area of influence. These concepts shape everything, and changing them would either require the alteration of every object of the concept or, if manipulated directly, change all objects of the concept alongside the concept itself. These concepts, however, exist simultaneously with and are bound by the object of the concept. In this way, an abstract dependent concept can be destroyed by destroying all objects of the concept, restored by re-making an object of a previously existent concept, or changed by changing all objects of the concept across reality. This, however, does not qualify for this form of conceptual manipulation, and is rather treated as a by-product of another action akin to a "domino effect". This type of conceptual manipulation can only be obtained if the abstract concept itself is changed directly, and not by indirect methods. For example, destroying humanity and thus "ending the concept of humanity" would not qualify, while directly "ending the concept of humanity" and thus destroying humanity would qualify.
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I'll just mention a single character that will escalate with this topic now, which is the Daishinkan.

In fact, the Daishinkan shapes the whole world of emptiness to place space-time in it, that before there were no such things as the concept of space-time, now there is space-time in emptiness



Explanation of @ProfectusInfinity

Gravity is the curvature of space-time, and the basis for time dilations, which we know the Grand Priest worked to accomodate since the background sky changed in color as the tournament progressed. In other words, it seems clear that the Grand Priest introduced space-time to the immediate tournament area he manipulated.
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@DontTalkDT mentioned that if there is not much context, time could be a type 3 concept, let's face it.

If it has absolutely no explanation or showings to it then yes
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I must warn Dragon Ball fans like myself that space-time manipulation is not conceptual manipulation, the Daishinkan is putting the concept of time into the void, to have its measure of time so that all participants perform well in 48 minutes.

Agree: @ChoursDropoff , @Killerdrone123 ,@GarrixianXD(staff) ,@StrymULTRA ,@CloverDragon03 ,@Quantu ,@Huesito88 ,@Iamunanimousinthat ,@RanHover60 ,@Planck69(staff),@Livinmeme ,Omegabronic,@Ryzen7900X,@Gamin_Yoon23,@Hasty12345,@Ednaxel2,@Vietthai96,@ScalingRandomVerse, @AdamVhenJP,@Kroneii1,@Everything12 (staff),@ProfectusInfinity,@LordGriffin1000 (staff) and @DarkDragonMedeus (staff),@LordDestroit10K,@OblivionCiffer2202

Disagree: @Nullflowerblush , @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara , @Theglassman12, @Guardian_Doge

Neutral: @Rutæhh

Bear in mind that this only applies to Daishinkan, as he literally manipulates the concept of time in Dragon Ball by placing everyone in the void.
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Time in Dragon Ball is represented in a different way, it is not simply abstract time,but rather a type 2 concept that shapes all reality according to Dragon Ball
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this scan is only describing the most basic functions of Time Travel, that when you change the past consequences for the future happen as well

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
the living proof of this is the canon materials stating that time is a concept and that in the place you are in there are no concepts of space-time.
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the entirety of this phrases makes little sense to me, can you re-structure it a bit?

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
It is said many times that time is a concept


The world of emptiness has no space-time in it and is filled with eternal anime nothingness




To reinforce that there are no concepts of space-time in the world of the void, a guide is available in Spain and here in Brazil




Guide trailer available on YouTube



The entire guide is licensed by Toei (it has its credits and such)




Furthermore, the company itself has partnerships with several companies, such as Toei, etc.





All material on this album is taken from the work itself and is in canon form.


I think it's type 2



I'll just mention a single character that will escalate with this topic now, which is the Daishinkan.

In fact, the Daishinkan shapes the whole world of emptiness to place space-time in it, that before there were no such things as the concept of space-time, now there is space-time in emptiness



Explanation of @ProfectusInfinity



@DontTalkDT mentioned that if there is not much context, time could be a type 3 concept




I must warn Dragon Ball fans like myself that space-time manipulation is not conceptual manipulation, the Daishinkan is putting the concept of time into the void, to have its measure of time so that all participants perform well in 48 minutes.
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.......what you are proposing is not that time is a concept, but that Daishinkan added the concept of time and space to the Null Realm, i can agree with that

but you didn't showed anything that says that Time itself is a concept, but that the Null Realm doesn't have the concept of time, which is not the same thing as time itself being a concept, just like how Humanity having a concept rulling it doesn't make Humanity itself a concept
 
omegabronic said:
this scan is only describing the most basic functions of Time Travel, that when you change the past consequences for the future happen as well
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What I want to say is that time shapes all reality, if you change something in space-time you will affect the entire Universe.
omegabronic said:
the entirety of this phrases makes little sense to me, can you re-structure it a bit?
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What i mentioned is that time and space itself is said to be a concept.
omegabronic said:
.......what you are proposing is not that time is a concept, but that Daishinkan added the concept of time and space to the Null Realm, i can agree with that

but you didn't showed anything that says that Time itself is a concept, but that the Null Realm doesn't have the concept of time, which is not the same thing as time itself being a concept, just like how Humanity having a concept rulling it doesn't make Humanity itself a concept
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Note, it is said that time and space are a concept, said in the images themselves, i don't think you are reading it correctly.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
What I want to say is that time shapes all reality, if you change something in space-time you will affect the entire Universe.
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.....you will affect the flow of events if you go back in time an alter them, that is what whis said in the clip, that is how time in general works

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
What i mentioned is that time and space itself is said to be a concept.
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....you showed no links saying that tho?

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Note, it is said that time and space are a concept, said in the images themselves, i don't think you are reading it correctly.
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Where? You just posted a bunch of scans saying that the null realm doesn't have time and space on a conceptual level, nothing you linked ever says anything about time being a concept
 
What i'm really explaining is that time and space are both concepts that shape all reality, that without them there is no space-time, the Daishinkan placed the concept of space and time in the world of the void, in a way Dragon Ball works with time and space being a literal concept
 
omegabronic said:
.....you will affect the flow of events if you go back in time an alter them, that is what whis said in the clip, that is how time in general works
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Yes, time shapes everything real
omegabronic said:
....you showed no links saying that tho?
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Dude, stop disagreeing because you want to and start reading things, it's like you haven't even seen the images and you're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing (in fact it's in the Op itself, just read it, man)
omegabronic said:
Where? You just posted a bunch of scans saying that the null realm doesn't have time and space on a conceptual level, nothing you linked ever says anything about time being a concept
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What the **** are you talking about? It is said and asserted twice that the locals have no concept of space-time, just read it, it seems like you have some difficulty understanding things.


I'll make things easier so you can read



 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
What i'm really explaining is that time and space are both concepts that shape all reality, that without them there is no space-time, the Daishinkan placed the concept of space and time in the world of the void, in a way Dragon Ball works with time and space being a literal concept
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"Time and space shape all of reality so they must be concepts" buddy I have some news about real life physics that may shock you.
 
omegabronic said:
.....you will affect the flow of events if you go back in time an alter them, that is what whis said in the clip, that is how time in general works
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Actually no I’m the context of dragon ball you wouldn’t. If you change the past it just creates a new future not altering a previous one. The only people who have free range over time are gods.
omegabronic said:
Where? You just posted a bunch of scans saying that the null realm doesn't have time and space on a conceptual level, nothing you linked ever says anything about time being a concept
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I mean if he added time where it conceptually was not, then that version of time must be conceptual on some level.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
To keep everything peaceful
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It literally proved me right about this point I made in the thread, this ain't exactly giving you a good image.

Anyway, quoting myself from that thread of yours:
StrymULTRA said:
Y'all are massively misunderstanding what a concept is.

"Concept" here means abstract ideas that define reality and how it works, time by its own isn't a concept in the VBW way. It's like asking "is the universe a concept", which obviously isn't the case (and time is just a part of the universe, mind you).

Aka nothing by its own is a pure concept, just that they have their own concept. Like the Earth has a concept due to it being something we can visualize as an idea, it doesn't mean the Earth by itself is purely conceptual, and time here is the same.
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GarrixianXD said:
True. Though, fiction works differently sadly and you get all types of hectic ass arguments.
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Tbh, a verse that does it is Pokémon where Dialga and Palkia are the abstact embodiments of time and space respectively and are the ones who actually created the whole cosmology, thus meaning that they're fundamental blocks of existence in the context, something DBS absolutely lacks tho.
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I remember you agreeing too 🤔
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I didn't agree with "Time = Type 2 concept by default", I agreed with GP having Type 3 concept hax for adding the concept of space-time in a place lacking those, very different.
 
ChoursDropoff said:
While time itself possibly isn’t conceptual I think the GP creating the concept of space-time should warrant conceptual creation for him.
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You could probably give the Grand Priest that since he gave the concept that the World of Void lacked to it, especially shown in how the sky changed in color after 24 minutes passed without him actively doing anything to cause that color change in the moment
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
What i'm really explaining is that time and space are both concepts that shape all reality, that without them there is no space-time, the Daishinkan placed the concept of space and time in the world of the void, in a way Dragon Ball works with time and space being a literal concept
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just cause the said constructs were said to lack time on conceptual level won't make time a concept it would be better if you argue cm type 3 for gp
 
StrymULTRA said:
Tbh, a verse that does it is Pokémon where Dialga and Palkia are the abstact embodiments of time and space respectively and are the ones who actually created the whole cosmology, thus meaning that they're fundamental blocks of existence in the context, something DBS absolutely lacks tho.

I didn't agree with "Time = Type 2 concept by default", I agreed with GP having Type 3 concept hax for adding the concept of space-time in a place lacking those, very different.
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So i will change to type 3
 
Nothing about the scans proves that time/space is conceptual in general, Daishinkhan could get Type 3 for creating space and time in the WoV though, pending the validity of the statements about it lacking the concepts.
 
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