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BLACK CLOVER CRT: LEAVING LIGHT IN THE DUST (FINAL PART)
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I disagree with this clover speed scaling is hyper inconsistent.
Asta in base could react to 100% dante just as well as his devil union from.
Asta in base could react to lucifero just as good as his full devil Union form
Asta confirmed during his battle with lucius that he hasn't even surpassed the wizard king who can barley keep up with LS attacks
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I disagree with this clover speed scaling is hyper inconsistent.
Asta in base could react to 100% dante just as well as his devil union from.
Asta in base could react to lucifero just as good as his full devil Union form
Asta confirmed during his battle with lucius that he hasn't even surpassed the wizard king who can barley keep up with LS attacks
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Not an argument. Julius is blatantly stated to be holding back.
He got perception blitzed by Lucifero.
Asta never fought 100% Dante to begin with. Read the manga.
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He obviously hasn’t seen the past CRTs nor read Black Clover.
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He didn't want kill him but seal him away that's about. He was not holding back in speed. He blatantly says he can barely keep up even with his precog and time magic
Then later kills full power lucifero in base. That's why clover speed is inconsistent
Doesn't matter fact remains dante in base could react to devil union asta with ease yet in his 80% devil form got one shot by a fatigued base asta
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On top of holding back, Asta also holds Julius in really high regard, so he doesn't even realize how much he's surpassed him. He can't sense magic, so he wouldn't know.
Deliberately leaving out context, this was a severely injured Lucifero (sliced in half mind you) and Asta couldn't even keep up with him in this state. Yuno had to teleport Lucifero to Asta to give him an opening.
Dante had zero interaction with Devil Union Asta, just stop. Also, 80% Dante was beaten by a Devil's Bargain Asta, not a fatigued Base Asta. Please reread the source material.
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Again, he was holding back magic power. It's literally stated on the next page after he said that. Julius even reacts to a massively amped Patri at full power to save the clover kingdom. It's obviously PIS.
More importantly, This has nothing to do with my previous CRTs or Current one...
This is exactly what I hate. leaving out so much context.
Let me break it down for you:
Lucifero was butchered,
Lucifero lost his wings
lost his legs
lost most of his arms
Lucifero could only fly with gravity
Did Lucifero run away?
Yes
Who brought him back?
Yuno
Can Gravity Magic be negated?
Yes
by who?
Yuno.
Do not bring this point up again.
And Asta knocked him out not kill him.
Dante never fought Devil Union Asta...
Dante never got one shot by base Asta...
If you are not knowledgeable, leave...
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Why is he hold back in speed? He even got tagged by one of his LS attacks. Julius also stated light magic was the fastest magic and said he can barley keep up. Lucius was bragging about how he's stronger than the wizard king so asta says he'll surpass him the wizard king. Indicating lucius also thinks the wizard king is above asta.
He still had all his magic and devil hurt and could still move around. Yeah teleported behind but lucifero was looking straight at him as asta attacked and could have easily reacted to him
Whatever term you want to use. Partial devil union asta tried to hit base Dante and failed but somehow a much weaker base devil arm asta could tagged 80% dante
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His points have been addressed, let's move on. He must've watched White Clover.
edit: wish I could downvote posts on here.
edit: wish I could downvote posts on here.
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He's surprised wizard king hasn't used up all his stamina. But that doesn't take away from him having a hard time with his speed. Makes no sense wizard king would hold back his speed 100s of times.
Lucifero still had all his magic and can still fly and move around no reason asta should have tagged when he looked right at him
Whatever terms you want to use. It was base asta with his one devil arm. Which is still far below his partial devil union form
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Yeah, it makes no sense because of PIS as I've already explained and you ignored it. also, this has nothing to do with any of my threads so stop derailing.
This point has been addressed.
This has nothing to do with the series and I don't scale white clover.
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Holding back on magic inherently means holding back on speed since Magic composes both AP and speed. As for the second point, it’s this simple: Asta holds Julius in really high regard -> Lucius says he’s stronger than Julius to hammer in his strength in a way Asta can recognize
I mean unless you really want to say that Julius is actually on the same level as Lucifero, which is so inconsistent it’s insane.
Should be obvious that he was weakened magically, his fully powered gravity when pissed off at Asta was about as potent, if not less so, than his previous casual/passive gravity.
A “much weaker base devil arm Asta” never tagged 80% Dante, anytime Asta tagged 80% Dante was in his Devil’s Bargain state
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Because Asta completely counters his Magic? It was literally the point of the fight, Asta with one good swing can vanish Dante´s massive body but Dante was stomping Asta with ease, Asta with one devil arm is a massive boost to his stats and Dante still was the superior one and Asta was able to hit Dante thanks to Yami
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And Lucius´side also was holding him back because with the info of Novels, Julius was faster than Nozel without using Mana zone and that feat happened days before the raid to the elf hideout, the same Nozel that defeated a faster version of Patry, so more arguments to Julius holding back massively
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Yeah this perfectly seals it
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Clover makes sense to me.
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THANK YOU!!!
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Might as well clinch it
For the current moment, while I am extremely skeptical of them being this high in terms of speed, there currently are no major inconsistencies that negate the whole scale and I am fine with the ratings being applied for the moment
For the current moment, while I am extremely skeptical of them being this high in terms of speed, there currently are no major inconsistencies that negate the whole scale and I am fine with the ratings being applied for the moment
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I LOVE YOU
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I agree with the CRT. There are no inconsistencies and the scaling is fine. I see several staff agreements so I think it's fine to apply.
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You either die a villain or live long enough to become the hero
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THANK YOU, EVERYONE!!!
Man... I'm so exhausted. Finally.
Man... I'm so exhausted. Finally.
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Ant Sir!! We have reached a conclusion!!
3 staff agreements and several agreements from our members.
Thank you!
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Staffs caved in too easily smh
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Since you arrived
Agree: CloverDragon03, DarkDragonMedeus, DemonGodMitch,
Neutral: Damage3245
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Hmm. Some further staff evaluations would be preferable.
@Starter_Pack @Duedate8898 @Shadowbokunohero
Would you be willing to help evaluate this please?
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Only @Duedate8898 is a knowledgeable staff memeber and he has somewhat followed the past threads, I’m not sure if the others will know what is going on here.
@Dereck03 is also a knowledgeable staff member and has been heavily involved in past threads.
Those are the last two knowledgeable staff members. Can we factor in the non staff members as well?
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Our staff are supposed to make the final evaluations and decisions.
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what??? We had more staff members?? Nice!
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After listening to Arnold breaking everything down for me on Discord, as well as studying the backs and forths in this current thread, I will also place my support for this one.
While it does seem overinflated on first glance, I can tell that the various multipliers have been proven to be sound on multiple occasions, and at this point, I don't see why it doesn't count. Seriously, why go through the process of scrutinizing and refining projects if the end result ends up failing because people say, "Meh, numbers too big for my liking."
To be blunt, I approve.
While it does seem overinflated on first glance, I can tell that the various multipliers have been proven to be sound on multiple occasions, and at this point, I don't see why it doesn't count. Seriously, why go through the process of scrutinizing and refining projects if the end result ends up failing because people say, "Meh, numbers too big for my liking."
To be blunt, I approve.
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Arnold also explained everything to me, and it looks fine to me.
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He's done it
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