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BLACK CLOVER CRT: LEAVING LIGHT IN THE DUST (FINAL PART)

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I disagree with this clover speed scaling is hyper inconsistent.

Asta in base could react to 100% dante just as well as his devil union from.

Asta in base could react to lucifero just as good as his full devil Union form

Asta confirmed during his battle with lucius that he hasn't even surpassed the wizard king who can barley keep up with LS attacks
 
Asta confirmed during his battle with lucius that he hasn't even surpassed the wizard king who can barley keep up with LS attacks
Not an argument. Julius is blatantly stated to be holding back.
Asta in base could react to lucifero just as good as his full devil Union form
He got perception blitzed by Lucifero.
Asta in base could react to 100% dante just as well as his devil union from.
Asta never fought 100% Dante to begin with. Read the manga.
 
Not an argument. Julius is blatantly stated to be holding back.
He didn't want kill him but seal him away that's about. He was not holding back in speed. He blatantly says he can barely keep up even with his precog and time magic
He got perception blitzed by Lucifero.
Then later kills full power lucifero in base. That's why clover speed is inconsistent
Asta never fought 100% Dante to begin with. Read the manga.
Doesn't matter fact remains dante in base could react to devil union asta with ease yet in his 80% devil form got one shot by a fatigued base asta
 
He didn't want kill him but seal him away that's about. He was not holding back in speed. He blatantly says he can barely keep up even with his precog and time magic
On top of holding back, Asta also holds Julius in really high regard, so he doesn't even realize how much he's surpassed him. He can't sense magic, so he wouldn't know.
Then later kills full power lucifero in base. That's why clover speed is inconsistent
Deliberately leaving out context, this was a severely injured Lucifero (sliced in half mind you) and Asta couldn't even keep up with him in this state. Yuno had to teleport Lucifero to Asta to give him an opening.
Doesn't matter fact remains dante in base could react to devil union asta with ease yet in his 80% devil form got one shot by a fatigued base asta
Dante had zero interaction with Devil Union Asta, just stop. Also, 80% Dante was beaten by a Devil's Bargain Asta, not a fatigued Base Asta. Please reread the source material.
 
He didn't want kill him but seal him away that's about. He was not holding back in speed. He blatantly says he can barely keep up even with his precog and time magic

Again, he was holding back magic power. It's literally stated on the next page after he said that. Julius even reacts to a massively amped Patri at full power to save the clover kingdom. It's obviously PIS.

More importantly, This has nothing to do with my previous CRTs or Current one...


Then later kills full power lucifero in base. That's why clover speed is inconsistent

This is exactly what I hate. leaving out so much context.

Let me break it down for you:

Lucifero was butchered,

Lucifero lost his wings

lost his legs

lost most of his arms

Lucifero could only fly with gravity

Did Lucifero run away?

Yes

Who brought him back?

Yuno

Can Gravity Magic be negated?

Yes

by who?

Yuno.

Do not bring this point up again.

And Asta knocked him out not kill him.

Doesn't matter fact remains dante in base could react to devil union asta with ease yet in his 80% devil form got one shot by a fatigued base asta

Dante never fought Devil Union Asta...

Dante never got one shot by base Asta...

If you are not knowledgeable, leave...
 
On top of holding back, Asta also holds Julius in really high regard, so he doesn't even realize how much he's surpassed him. He can't sense magic, so he wouldn't know.
Why is he hold back in speed? He even got tagged by one of his LS attacks. Julius also stated light magic was the fastest magic and said he can barley keep up. Lucius was bragging about how he's stronger than the wizard king so asta says he'll surpass him the wizard king. Indicating lucius also thinks the wizard king is above asta.
Deliberately leaving out context, this was a severely injured Lucifero (sliced in half mind you) and Asta couldn't even keep up with him in this state. Yuno had to teleport Lucifero to Asta to give him an opening.
He still had all his magic and devil hurt and could still move around. Yeah teleported behind but lucifero was looking straight at him as asta attacked and could have easily reacted to him
Dante had zero interaction with Devil Union Asta, just stop. Also, 80% Dante was beaten by a Devil's Bargain Asta, not a fatigued Base Asta. Please reread the source material.
Whatever term you want to use. Partial devil union asta tried to hit base Dante and failed but somehow a much weaker base devil arm asta could tagged 80% dante
 
Again, he was holding back magic power. It's literally stated on the next page after he said that. Julius even reacts to a massively amped Patri at full power to save the clover kingdom. It's obviously PIS.
He's surprised wizard king hasn't used up all his stamina. But that doesn't take away from him having a hard time with his speed. Makes no sense wizard king would hold back his speed 100s of times.
More importantly, This has nothing to do with my previous CRTs or Current one...




This is exactly what I hate. leaving out so much context.

Let me break it down for you:

Lucifero was butchered,

Lucifero lost his wings

lost his legs

lost most of his arms

Lucifero could only fly with gravity

Did Lucifero run away?

Yes

Who brought him back?

Yuno

Can Gravity Magic be negated?

Yes

by who?

Yuno.

Do not bring this point up again.

And Asta knocked him out not kill him.
Lucifero still had all his magic and can still fly and move around no reason asta should have tagged when he looked right at him
Dante never fought Devil Union Asta...

Dante never got one shot by base Asta...

If you are not knowledgeable, leave...
Whatever terms you want to use. It was base asta with his one devil arm. Which is still far below his partial devil union form
 
He's surprised wizard king hasn't used up all his stamina. But that doesn't take away from him having a hard time with his speed. Makes no sense wizard king would hold back his speed 100s of times.

Yeah, it makes no sense because of PIS as I've already explained and you ignored it. also, this has nothing to do with any of my threads so stop derailing.

Lucifero still had all his magic and can still fly and move around no reason asta should have tagged when he looked right at him

This point has been addressed.

Whatever terms you want to use. It was base asta with his one devil arm. Which is still far below his partial devil union form

This has nothing to do with the series and I don't scale white clover.
 
Why is he hold back in speed? He even got tagged by one of his LS attacks. Julius also stated light magic was the fastest magic and said he can barley keep up. Lucius was bragging about how he's stronger than the wizard king so asta says he'll surpass him the wizard king. Indicating lucius also thinks the wizard king is above asta.
Holding back on magic inherently means holding back on speed since Magic composes both AP and speed. As for the second point, it’s this simple: Asta holds Julius in really high regard -> Lucius says he’s stronger than Julius to hammer in his strength in a way Asta can recognize

I mean unless you really want to say that Julius is actually on the same level as Lucifero, which is so inconsistent it’s insane.
He still had all his magic and devil hurt and could still move around. Yeah teleported behind but lucifero was looking straight at him as asta attacked and could have easily reacted to him
Should be obvious that he was weakened magically, his fully powered gravity when pissed off at Asta was about as potent, if not less so, than his previous casual/passive gravity.
Whatever term you want to use. Partial devil union asta tried to hit base Dante and failed but somehow a much weaker base devil arm asta could tagged 80% dante
A “much weaker base devil arm Asta” never tagged 80% Dante, anytime Asta tagged 80% Dante was in his Devil’s Bargain state
 
It was base asta with his one devil arm.
Because Asta completely counters his Magic? It was literally the point of the fight, Asta with one good swing can vanish Dante´s massive body but Dante was stomping Asta with ease, Asta with one devil arm is a massive boost to his stats and Dante still was the superior one and Asta was able to hit Dante thanks to Yami
 
Not an argument. Julius is blatantly stated to be holding back.
And Lucius´side also was holding him back because with the info of Novels, Julius was faster than Nozel without using Mana zone and that feat happened days before the raid to the elf hideout, the same Nozel that defeated a faster version of Patry, so more arguments to Julius holding back massively
 
And Lucius´side also was holding him back because with the info of Novels, Julius was faster than Nozel without using Mana zone and that feat happened days before the raid to the elf hideout, the same Nozel that defeated a faster version of Patry, so more arguments to Julius holding back massively

Yeah this perfectly seals it
 
Because Asta completely counters his Magic? It was literally the point of the fight, Asta with one good swing can vanish Dante´s massive body but Dante was stomping Asta with ease, Asta with one devil arm is a massive boost to his stats and Dante still was the superior one and Asta was able to hit Dante thanks to Yami

Like fr

it’s literally in the OP


Overkill
 
Might as well clinch it

For the current moment, while I am extremely skeptical of them being this high in terms of speed, there currently are no major inconsistencies that negate the whole scale and I am fine with the ratings being applied for the moment
 
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Man... I'm so exhausted. Finally.
 
Okay. Can somebody write a tally for which staff members that think what here please?
 
Okay. Can somebody write a tally for which staff members that think what here please?

Since you arrived

Agree: CloverDragon03, DarkDragonMedeus, DemonGodMitch,
Neutral: Damage3245
Disagree: -
 
Hmm. Some further staff evaluations would be preferable.

@Starter_Pack @Duedate8898 @Shadowbokunohero

Would you be willing to help evaluate this please?

Only @Duedate8898 is a knowledgeable staff memeber and he has somewhat followed the past threads, I’m not sure if the others will know what is going on here.

@Dereck03 is also a knowledgeable staff member and has been heavily involved in past threads.

Those are the last two knowledgeable staff members. Can we factor in the non staff members as well?
 
Starter and Shadow are also listed as supporters in the Black Clover verse page.
 
After listening to Arnold breaking everything down for me on Discord, as well as studying the backs and forths in this current thread, I will also place my support for this one.

While it does seem overinflated on first glance, I can tell that the various multipliers have been proven to be sound on multiple occasions, and at this point, I don't see why it doesn't count. Seriously, why go through the process of scrutinizing and refining projects if the end result ends up failing because people say, "Meh, numbers too big for my liking."

To be blunt, I approve.
 
Can somebody write a tally of which staff members that think what here please?
 
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