Because it was changed from the original in gb That means the amount we see in SOO isn't faster, just changed from the original in GB.
No, Katsumi said that there are too few joints, so he has to add more, which was 27, to break the sound barrier.
Just use Peak Human for the low end and Subsonic for the high end.
hmm? Gb?
No... He said there are ways to make the mach punch faster by using his spine, giving a total of 27 points of movement... He originally only needed 8 points of movements to reach mach speed... To make it even faster he used 27 points
Yup, I was referring to it initially being 8 in GB when it was first introduced, but it changed in SOO.
In Chapter 125 of SOO, Retsu states that there are too few joints, and Katsumi agrees, saying it's impossible. Katsumi then asks how to achieve it, and they decide to use the backbone/spine. After this, the next panel says it's a total of 27 joints of movement, which allows Mach speed to be broken. He then breaks the sound barrier in the following panel. That's why I am saying it is a retcon.
It isn't a retcon tho..
I understand that the whole point is Katsumi producing a faster speed, but we do not see the actual process until later, where he adds the weight of the hand and more, that's where we see that it's actually faster. Katsumi broke the sound barrier once we got to the 27 joints, and Katsumi says that's what allowed Mach speed to be broken. Meaning, breaking the sound barrier. Again, it wouldn't make sense for him to say that he is just breaking the sound barrier if this initially was just faster than Mach 1. Now, Retsu did tell Katsumi 2 chapters prior, I believe, to hone those skills, which is true, but he doesn't actually provide info on making it faster until Katsumi just broke the sound barrier, when asked if it would work against Pickle.It isn't a retcon tho..
8 points of movement utilizing 10 joints is still confirmed to reach mach speed (they say it's impossible to break that speed, using the same joints... That there are to few joints to utilize to make it go quicker)
The whole point of this, is to make that Mach Punch faster...
He then learns to do that by utilizing 27 points of movement
And 3 other more points of movement to make it quicker (tho it isn't a Mach Punch)
THEN Kaku tells them how it isn't perfect, that you can utilize thos same 27 joint movements by just his shoulder to his fingertips
Reaching Supersonic speeds means that it's faster than Mach 1, that's what Katsumi and Retsu was trying to figure out on how to make the Mach Punch (8 points of movements) reach... But would be impossible with the original 10 joints and 8 points of movement "Mach Punch", hence needing more joints and utilizing 27 points of movement to reach supersonic
I might work on them after while, and when more chapters are translated. I've heard light speed and country level slop comes later with the Gods, but I can't verify it because I don't read Japanese.
Oh yeah, especially if one guy has time stop, I think. I was thinking of also adding the grandmaster from Scarface. I made my own custom profile for him (He generally scales to the end of NGB - Son of Ogre Hanayama), too. I believe Imgur gave me a small ban or something, so I cannot access any of the many panels I uploaded for GM
Apparently that ability is actually just a 1/100 time slow, as shown in the newest chapters. That was kinda the main reason I wanted to wait, since I had a whole calc made for a feat revolving around that, and had to scrap it. If something like that could happen, then I don’t want to do anything.
Ooh, cool stuff! Pretty sure he’s got a neat little Hypersonic feat too, so that could be good to use as a benchmark for those characters.I was thinking of also adding the grandmaster from Scarface. I made my own custom profile for him (He generally scales to the end of NGB - Son of Ogre Hanayama), too. I believe Imgur gave me a small ban or something, so I cannot access any of the many panels I uploaded for GM
Meaning it's faster than the original Mach Punch... With katsumi literally saying how fast it is using only ten joints but then when he uses 27 points, it becomes Supersonic speed
By him only saying he achieved Supersonic speed? I don't think you're understanding what I am saying.
So then you agree he only reaches Supersonic Speed when he uses 27?
Yes…which is faster than Mach 1 (the 10 joints usage)
I mean, I don’t really see how we can disagree with each other… he literally breaks Mach speed when he used 27 movements meaning it cannot be Mach 1 speed which you also agree on
We then have statements of 10 joints Mach punch, even within the same chapter, that it reaches Mach speed not that it breaks it
And then 27 joints Mach punch to be supersonic speed
I watched half of it too. I can’t wait to see the fight between Yujiro and Musashi.
I've seen a bit of the new season, and if I have to be honest, I was hoping for better animation. It looked best in the fight with Retsu, but honestly, that's it. And just like other seasons of Baki, the Netflix adaptation still never expands on the fight's choreography at all. For example, Tiger Niko vs Niko Tokita expanded the fight in the anime, so I was hoping for that, but honestly, it's still okay.
Don’t hate the player, hate the mangaka who will literally drop shit that contradicts every feat in the series on a whim and never bring it up again (they can never bring me to hate you ItagakiAre we deadass entertaining lightspeed Baki jabs cmon guys
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I mean, if Baki is light speed then he be light speed.Are we deadass entertaining lightspeed Baki jabs cmon guys
Agreed. They stay extremely close to the manga when it comes to what they actually adapt (disregarding when they cut stuff), especially in this season, which honestly can hurt the experience because, if you’re just going to be exactly 1-1 with it, especially without great animation, why don’t I just read the manga instead? I know a ton of stuff that would improve with some padding and extra material, but alas, it seems Baki just ain’t one of those animes.
I’ll elaborate below, but I think it’s valid for both.
From what I understand, I think the Spiny Back translation is just wrong. I’ve known about this issue for a little while now, but I wasn’t 100% until the anime dropped. See, for all of its faults, its translations are usually top notch and better than the fan stuff we have; or at the very least, on par with it. Probably because they have a whole team of professionals to translate.
If that’s the case, then maybe there’s a chance, but Tbf I think FOTNS has far better feats of speed that are at least closer to FTL than Baki does, adding to consistency; best you can get for us is around MHS.
I haven't watched the new season, but it feels like it is worse for Baki because of how Itadaki draws the panel, for example, when Yujiro punched Oliva, you can't really accurately do a 1:1 adaptation.
Do you prefer the much older Baki anime's to the newer ones when it comes to fighting choreography?
Honestly, not really, it is hard to find the old Baki anime, but the few stuff I've seen is not exactly my cup of tea. In the new anime not everything is great, but you have a few gems and sometimes genuinely great action pieces (Such as Hanayama vs Speck, or the Pickle fights), and from what I've seen from the old anime, there is nothing that stands out.
Also, to mention the OP for the new season... It's kind of bad, too. This is more of a nitpick, but I was expecting something new rather than just previous clips of the series with Baki and Musashi appearing at the end. This has been done before (for an OAD), but far better, maybe because it uses manga panels?
I can see that too. But also, it seems like Spiny Back is the best when it comes to translations for Baki, since I believe in October, the Grappler Baki manga was said to get an official English translation for it. Considering that this series is over 30 years old, it's about time that we get that. But I guess saying it's about time is an understatement.
Me personally... I believe since it hasn't been good, marketing wise, the anime's animation gets affected by it
also could've been affected based on westerners 
Very outdated
Incredibly outdated
It's not outdated. It's because his scaling to Yujiro during that time of the fight, but otherwise scales to other mid tiers of the verse. The Hypersonic calc was made from a speed feat from the Father V Son fight, which Doppo doesn't scale to in speed.
If Yujiro has a key where he’s not hypersonic, and said key is being used for scaling, wouldn’t it be better to just add the key on his profile?
Honestly, it would be best to give Yujiro a Subsonic key since most characters at that time were closer in speed. Otherwise every character would get the hypersonic key through chain scaling and it would defeat the purpose of the last speed revision I made. The same problem came for Retsu's key which Antvasima kept messaging me about Retsu being capable of reacting to Musashi's attacks and why he doesn't have a hypersonic key. I tried explaining that there is a speed difference between mid-high tiers where the speed of the high tiers is much higher, and Musashi being superior in speed was evident. But that eventually led to the discussion of a new revision which would cause a bit more issues. So I just gave Retsu the Hypersonic Key to settle the issue.
