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Grappler Baki General Discussion
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I’m worried that this might be an outlier.
Baki - Yujiro Punches like really fast : )
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MHS Baki
Not sure if it's an outlier yet since it is Yujiro performing it, but it's also early in the series so eventually everyone scales to it, which could create some...issues. We'll have to wait and see.
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I have a question about this calc
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Why has nothing ever come of it?
The one rebuttal I see to the calc is that Tokugawa is not an accurate source for the timeframe, but wasn’t the less than 0.000 statement from the narrator?
Baki: Musashi attempts a blitz
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The one rebuttal I see to the calc is that Tokugawa is not an accurate source for the timeframe, but wasn’t the less than 0.000 statement from the narrator?
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I don't think Tokugawa stated that in Musashi's fight with Yujiro, but it was definitely stated by the narrator during Musashi's fight with Baki. The exact time frame isn't shown, but this dismisses it being an outlier for being a Tokugawa statement.I have a question about this calc
Why has nothing ever come of it?Baki: Musashi attempts a blitz
The one rebuttal I see to the calc is that Tokugawa is not an accurate source for the timeframe, but wasn’t the less than 0.000 statement from the narrator?
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Also, there is another Supersonic calc that I don't think was ever evaluated for Yujiro redirecting the whaling Harpoon.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Shmeatywerbenmanjenson/Yujiro_Redirects_a_Harpoon
Not really on the topic of MHS speed, but still notable to add.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Shmeatywerbenmanjenson/Yujiro_Redirects_a_Harpoon
Not really on the topic of MHS speed, but still notable to add.
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I know, that’s my point. The narrator stated that it took musashi less than 0.000… seconds to cross the distance between him and yujiro as well as slash him
That’s what the calc is for
I was wondering why nothing ever came of that calc
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Someone once told me that the timer only shows the duration of the information analysis.
Since I don’t remember this feat very well, I’m not sure whether that’s correct.
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That doesn’t seem to be the case at all. The narrator lists out all of the actions musashi took in his attack before stating the process took less than 0.000. It seems pretty evident that “the process” is referring to all of the actions musashi took, considering that was stated right after all of those actions were.
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Which chapter is this?
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Baki-dou chapter 85
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Truth.
Basically what it means (Asking AI);
It's the same with Musashi and Baki, explaining how all the movements, step by step took that specific amount of time
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I'll try to calculate those 2 feats later when I have time, same for the 2 speed feats in the Baki vs Yujiro fight
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Calculating this becomes near high-tier hypersonic but also via that statement we would know that Baki is minimum 2007.108 m / s...
Tho "any bullet" can possibly mean something even way higher but I'm not too sure on that, that would probably need more support on what "bullet" can refer to in the baki verse
Here's the current Calc on that. Basically in that distance... Baki moved faster than any bullet... Since bullets move in a straight line, Baki would have to make more movements to create his punch. Could probably be a little higher as it seems he did more movements than just the ones I calculated but I'll deal with that later
Tho "any bullet" can possibly mean something even way higher but I'm not too sure on that, that would probably need more support on what "bullet" can refer to in the baki verse
Here's the current Calc on that. Basically in that distance... Baki moved faster than any bullet... Since bullets move in a straight line, Baki would have to make more movements to create his punch. Could probably be a little higher as it seems he did more movements than just the ones I calculated but I'll deal with that later
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Honestly, if they're above Sukune's statement, then they're likely outliers, given that narratively most don't have the grip to turn coal into a diamond. But, indeed, Itagaki's math for 100,000 Atmospheres is a little off. When you convert atmosphere - Psi, you get 1469594.8775 psi, which is equal to 656 tons. Over 6x stronger.
But off the top of my head, there are good LS feats that some I think were already accepted, but some weren't.
Baki is crushing rock with his fist
Oliva crushing the door handle
Pickle supporting the foot of a sauropod (This needs to be redone)
There is likely more I can't think of rn
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I personally find the Sukune statement to be the outlier tbh. We've already got plenty of feats that are above 100 tons on site, and there are tons more I'm in the process of calcing. It'd be like 20-30 feats from throughout the entire series vs the 1 statement.
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They were pickle crushing a tiger, yujiro pushing baki through a wall, and yujiro pushing to break like 50 stone tiles
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What statement?
Lifting strength /=/ grip strength, one can have a very weak grip strength but still have a very strong lifting strength... It all depends on the person and how their body functions
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Sukune’s “100 tons of grip strength” which is required to turn a diamond into coal, and it’s hyped up as this nigh-impossible thing almost no one else can do.
Except we got literally so many feats debunking it that we can deadass ignore it. See, what I think happened was that Itagaki heard something about 100 tons of pressure turning coal into diamond, and thus putting it into the manga….only to fail to realize it’s 100 tons of pressure over the course of thousands of years, and not a few seconds like Sukune does it. Chalk it up to another time of Itagaki trying to do some cool science shit, but dropping the ball (insert 0.5 second shit here).
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I'm not too confident or knowledgeable on calculating lifting strength feats yet but here is one feat that looks kinda decent
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That one’s calced already, got low Class M iirc; good support but I’m aiming higher.I'm not too confident or knowledgeable on calculating lifting strength feats yet but here is one feat that looks kinda decent
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Like..?
Ok... And why is that an issue
Idk, I don't believe he made a mistake.... Unless I see that mistake for myself but from what I got when searching it, It seems to be accurate with what God tier Baki characters are able to do...
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i can't find anything past class M 
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is this still used?
Baki: Nomi no Sukune II transforms the coal into the diamond
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is this still used?
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I can lowkey only see Yujiro or something to be able to get Class G ngl
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One of the first LS feats in the entire series is Class K
Because we have dozens upon dozens of feats done by all sorts of characters that completely contradict the idea that 100 tons is something nigh impossible?
Bro, God Tiers are able to casually exert tens of thousands of tons of force. 100 tons is nothing to them based on what we’ve seen them do.
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Because anything past Class M is fake and Gay….though I might be able to get Yujiro and them to upscale enough to Class G.i can't find anything past class M
If we go with the logic that Itagaki made a ***** wucky on the math then maybe? But I’d probably not use it.Baki: Nomi no Sukune II transforms the coal into the diamond
is this still used?
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But again high lifting strength doesn't automatically mean high grip strength
Which makes it more consistent..?
again grip strength |=| lifting strength... Eddie hall can for example lift 500 kg but only get around I believe 219.6 kg in grip strength...
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A lot of those feats are directly linked to grip strength, especially all of the Hanayama ones.
This is a grip strength feat that is performed by a Baki who is in all metrics <<<<<< to Sukune, yet gets to above the supposed “100 tons”. It is absolutely not consistent.
Grip strength is a type of LS tho, and since we don’t separate them on site, we kinda have to conflate them. Also, again, we have plenty of grip strength specific feats that are above Sukune’s.
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One's grip strength compared to lifting strength is kinda like one's travel speed comparing to ones punching speed... Is just not the same thing at all
Normally people with high grip strength can mean even far higher lifting strength... As you're only using the muscles of your hands and forearms compared to using your whole body's muscles
So again one does not need high grip strength whenever it's for one's lifting strength
For example, one can have 500 kg of lifting strength and only have 30 kg of grip strength... It's all on how one uses their muscles and how their muscles function
Like?
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I could argue further (although admittedly as someone who does power lifting, I do think you have a point about them not being exactly 1 to 1), but like…you gonna need to argue with the site, because currently, we conflate the two as the same, and we can’t just like…separate them within the LS category. Unless that is a thing we can do? I mean, I guess we could, but it’s look hella weird to be like “Class M Lifting Strength, Class 100 with Grip” or something.
But still, when we got feats above 100 tons throughout the series consistently for grip strength in particular, it kinda points to the obvious solution of it being the outlier.
Hanayama’s existence in his spin-offs is like a walking contradiction, just read those for a good idea. I’ll calculate them at some point, but I ain’t gonna rush them when I still gotta revise the rest of the verse and deal with some of the other shit that’s important.
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I've read some of them, has quite good insane feats
It's more so a different application of one's lifting strength... That is all
When it comes to the calcs of higher gripping strength feats than him (unsure if the same application but still)
I believe the statement is saying how he would need 100 tons of grip strength if he were capable of doing it
So it isn't like an actual fact that he's max grip strength is 100 tons, just that he requires 100 tons to be able to pull that off (hence its stated that he's said to be 100 tons (for doing that) not that he is 100 tons), meaning it can be taken more so a minimum than anything else I believe
So that's one way to remove "the issue" you've been talking about
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The argument isn't "this is his max," it's that he's hyped up as the only one that can do this (even though Yujiro also has iirc)I've read some of them, has quite good insane feats
It's more so a different application of one's lifting strength... That is all
When it comes to the calcs of higher gripping strength feats than him (unsure if the same application but still)
I believe the statement is saying how he would need 100 tons of grip strength if he were capable of doing it
So it isn't like an actual fact that he's max grip strength is 100 tons, just that he requires 100 tons to be able to pull that off (hence its stated that he's said to be 100 tons (for doing that) not that he is 100 tons), meaning it can be taken more so a minimum than anything else I believe
So that's one way to remove "the issue" you've been talking about
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Oh yeah before I forget, what the **** is "divine ogre" exactly, and why is it a separate image tabber? Like, it's just kind of....a thing that happens in the father son fight, and as far as I know it's not some new form, technique, or even power boost.
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hyped up by the people... The people don't/didn't even know anything about the powers Yujiro and Baki had in their fight.... Same for basically any underground arena fighter
Most likely just a useless image tabber to add that image
Same for sumo guy lowkey
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Generally speaking, a strong grip goes into your lifting, but that's a subject for another time because I do feel it to be a bit weird for one character to narratively have the strongest grip to be many times hundreds or thousands of times weaker than the Higher Class K - Class M calculations. Plus, Dag3ggman was referring to Lifting Strength to say that Nomi's grip is inconsistent. Was he referring to grip-related feats or raw strength (pushing, pulling, jumping, gripping, and lifting) in general?
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Both. At best, if you only compare it to exclusively grip strength feats, it’s several times lower than consistent ones done by characters that nowadays are upscaled astronomically. At worst, if you compare it to LS feats in general, it’s hundreds to thousands of times weaker than various Class M stuff.
Basically, whatever way you choose to go about scrutinizing it, it’s inconsistent with the series itself, and isn’t very relevant to the story. So, in my opinion, it should be tossed.
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One example is Oliva turning the metal door in which is realistically one of the best grip feats and above the stated amount for Sukune. Oliva got destroyed pretty quickly by Sukune in a match, and Oliva could only then match and overpower Sukune when Sukune was nerfed. If we accept Oliva's feat and not Sukune's feat, then that would mean Oliva is just much stronger. Or Sukune scales to the same amount as Oliva, or lower if we're including how Sukune is currently in the story.
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One thing I definitely want us to do for the new revisions is to explain the the skill of that these characters have. because if I’m honest, I don’t feel like our page are doing them any justice.
To be honest, most of these characters should have like genius for combat
With Baki and Yujiro being extraordinary genius.
To be honest, most of these characters should have like genius for combat
With Baki and Yujiro being extraordinary genius.
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