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Makima fights the coolest X-Man | Makima vs Iceman

Which is why I say if there's any examples of Ice-Man doing his AZ Dr. Manhattan style, a blood-lusted Ice-Man will surely do that, and immediately mog the **** out of Makima no question.
 
Catbowtie said:
Which is why I say if there's any examples of Ice-Man doing his AZ Dr. Manhattan style, a blood-lusted Ice-Man will surely do that, and immediately mog the **** out of Makima no question.
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Arguably a blood lusted Makima would win considering that's an immediate Conquest and now she has some crazy ability in her arsenal. And to think it wouldn't even serve her against Primals.
 
It depends if Conquest is only an ability she's able to activate if she sees herself as superior, or if Makima herself chooses not to Conquest someone depending if she sees herself as superior.

Can y'all follow what I'm laying down?
 
Okay now all you need to do is make a case for Ice-Man doing this in this fight, except instead of freezing Makima's brain (she will survive), Ice-Man instantly obliterates her.
 
Catbowtie said:
It depends if Conquest is only an ability she's able to activate if she sees herself as superior, or if Makima herself chooses not to Conquest someone depending if she sees herself as superior.

Can y'all follow what I'm laying down?
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It's passive. If Makima remotely has the feeling to it is.
 
SharkBook01 said:
He's never hand gestured AZ'd somebody, but he has with no gesture at all frozen peoples brain.
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Hm, that's pretty broken for a bloodlusted Ice-man. Hm, I'm not sure if Makima wins anymore, 17 times greater reaction speed can't counter something you don't even realize is happening until it's too late.

I'm changing my vote to inconclusive for now.
 
Does her contract have a limit (that doesn't involve Ice-man inadvertently freezing every brain in Japan)?
 
Rex_Eckles said:
Does her contract have a limit (that doesn't involve Ice-man inadvertently freezing every brain in Japan)?
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That's not how it works, it just turns the attack into an appropriate illness or Injury. So somebody will likely get a cold or fever randomly.
 
Catbowtie said:
That's not true
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If your talking about the Angel Devil, against a bloodlusted Makima, then yes. Worse considering Makima has always seen the Angel Devil as beneath her. Making her bloodlusted wouldn't be any different from a regular sane Makima.
Rex_Eckles said:
I meant my question: does the contract have a limit?
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Yes, it's perception based, so if you somehow harm Makima without the intent to harm her, you can bypass the contract. But it's entirely situational. Denji had this mentality in the graveyard fight, and yet Makima's contract was still going strong. The main premise is that you're not really out to harm Makima at all. Which Is when it finally worked after.
 
GunshyFever said:
If your talking about the Angel Devil, against a bloodlusted Makima, then yes. Worse considering Makima has always seen the Angel Devil as beneath her. Making her bloodlusted wouldn't be any different from a regular sane Makima.
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Source?
 
Catbowtie said:
That's not true

Well, the problem is that Ice-Man needs to be proven to do this stuff at range. Like, AZ or atomically destroy some guy across the planet, or really at any range works.
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He has previously been able to manipulate the temperature of the entire Earth while chilling space, and has claimed he could kill people in thoughts before. He still hasn't ever AZ snipped somebody from across the planet as far as I know, but given that AZ is essentially just Iceman trying really hard it's not out of the possibility.
 
Ice-Man FRA then. AZ literally saying he as thought-based planetary destruction and is basically equivalent to Ice-Man means a Blood-lusted Ice-Man would would instantly freeze Makima over.

I think this match is a Mismatch tbh.
 
Catbowtie said:
Source?
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When Makima and Angel initially meet for the first time, Makima instinctively judges or feels a sense of superiority, causing her power of conquest to take effect. Another example occurs when Angel breaks free from Makima's mind erasure and remembers what she did to him, only for Makima to immediately bring him back under her control. She then binds him to her through a contract, ensuring he would never remember again without facing the threat of death.

For a bloodlusted Makima, both outcomes are essentially the same, the power of conquest activates solely based on a feeling.
SharkBook01 said:
He has previously been able to manipulate the temperature of the entire Earth while chilling space, and has claimed he could kill people in thoughts before. He still hasn't ever AZ snipped somebody from across the planet as far as I know, but given that AZ is essentially just Iceman trying really hard it's not out of the possibility.
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If he fights using regular ice powers most of the time, then there must be context behind these kinds of feats. After all, if he were truly capable of doing this consistently, he would just use that ability instead of primarily fighting like someone with regular ice powers. So what's the context? I feel like a lack of understanding here could lead us into NLF territory.
Catbowtie said:
Ice-Man FRA then. AZ literally saying he as thought-based planetary destruction and is basically equivalent to Ice-Man means a Blood-lusted Ice-Man would would instantly freeze Makima over.

I think this match is a Mismatch tbh.
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I didn't realize both characters were bloodlusted. In that case, I'll vote for Makima considering immediate conquest. I don't believe in those ice-man win cons regardless, i'd rather play skeptical until further context is given.
 
GunshyFever said:
If he fights using regular ice powers most of the time, then there must be context behind these kinds of feats. After all, if he were truly capable of doing this consistently, he would just use that ability instead of primarily fighting like someone with regular ice powers. So what's the context? I feel like a lack of understanding here could lead us into NLF territory.
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In character, Iceman holds back A LOT. At one point in the comics, he even wore a belt that actively suppressed his powers for a while. He also had subconsciously developed mental restraints that were later unlocked by Emma Frost. He's also a good guy and wouldn't just go around Insta-killing people with his powers on the regular.

During the particular arc from which those scans were from, Iceman was possessed by an artifact from Apocalypse that turned him evil, but it was specifically stated that the artifact didn't enhance his abilities. It just made him stop holding back since he was y'know, evil. Hence why he's being an asshole in some of these scans. Iceman could do any of this stuff at will if he wanted to, and has since this arc done much crazier shit by just going all out.
 
All those abilities are a certified threat to Makima. But if he never does this in character, I'd still say Makima can win initially for reasons we've already discussed.

A cool matchup would be ice man vs silver surfer now that I think about it, they are practically the same.
 
GunshyFever said:
When Makima and Angel initially meet for the first time, Makima instinctively judges or feels a sense of superiority, causing her power of conquest to take effect. Another example occurs when Angel breaks free from Makima's mind erasure and remembers what she did to him, only for Makima to immediately bring him back under her control. She then binds him to her through a contract, ensuring he would never remember again without facing the threat of death.

For a bloodlusted Makima, both outcomes are essentially the same, the power of conquest activates solely based on a feeling.
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You made that up. You drew those panels yourself to push a false narrative
 
Catbowtie said:
You made that up. You drew those panels yourself to push a false narrative
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Well constructed argument vs "You made that shit up"

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Rex_Eckles said:
I'm concerned if this is a one-shot type of thing or not. What 7-C value does Ice-Man scale to exactly?
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Idk, Iceman's profile is so bunnnsss and is missing some things.
Catbowtie said:
"Cool status. It'd be cooler if I knew what it meant"
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Something. Something. 1-A mind and soul.
I don't see how this would work on Iceman.
To my knowledge, it's mind manipulation.

Maverick_Zero_X said:
Wonder how this would go if Iceman's page wasn't horrifically out of date
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He would stomp LMAO.
The reason why this is so debatable is because of the dookie profile.
 
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