Makima vs Alastor (CSM vs HH)

[Anonymous_Learner]

Did you...watch season 2? Its a MAJOR plot point that Rosie's contract was actively restricting him from achieving the spot as the strongest sinner in Hell. Its the whole reason why he made Charlie declare Vox the strongest, because it meant that he couldnt be the strongest and thus nullified Rosie's contract, which in turn allowed him to regain the power she was restricting.

Mate, the reason he wanted Rosie's contract broken was because he was on a leash and her pet (he literally lashed out in anger when Husk calls out he's also on a leash), not because he didn't get the power he wanted. Rosie literally says that he's still the strongest sinner and re-affirmed many times in the series that full power Alastor was just in a whole different league than everyone in hell besides lucifer. He made the invincible exorcists bleed from his shield with said shield being unable to pierced by angelic weapons, the only things that can defeat said invincible exorcist. They're even unharmable to overlords like Carmilla. Even charlie thought he was better suited to fight adam than herself
Alastor was undoubtly the strongest sinner man

Makima's attack speed is MHS, Al's reaction and combat speed is FTL.

speed is equalized. Due to makima being slower, al gets slowed to her combat speed, bang is now faster than him

Was he tired after that?

not at all

Also can I take this to mean he's not very much of a fearful overlord any longer or is this part of the weakened state?

• Instigating Fear (His presence used to strike fear in those around him, although it does not seem to be the case anymore due to being gone for seven years. He himself reaffirms this, stating that due to Rosie forcing him to disappear for seven years, his name "inspires much less fear".)

No, he's still the most feared overlord ever, he's just not feared as much anymore

So where do you think his stamina is then? Could he fight for days?

two days at most, ngl

 

[GodEarh206]

Voting Makima
Makima has more logical wincons for me, and she's also more cunning, always fighting in the shadows and letting her subordinates fight in her place.
Makima also constantly observes her opponents to see what they have in order to plan how to take them down. She'll try things like Zombie and Bio Hax to see how effective they are. Cosmo is also an option if she can't completely eliminate Alastor (I also wonder how long Alastor's regeneration will keep him alive? Because I don't see him with Infinite Stamina). By the way, BFR would also be a top choice if Cosmo isn't considered.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I also wonder how long Alastor's regeneration will keep him alive?

His regeneration will continue indefinitely as it's impossible to kill a sinner unless their soul is erased

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

speed is equalized. Due to makima being slower, al gets slowed to her combat speed, bang is now faster than him

if that's your main wincon, I don't think I can add ts match

 

[WeeklyBattles]

speed is equalized. Due to makima being slower, al gets slowed to her combat speed, bang is now faster than him

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[Anonymous_Learner]

if that's your main wincon, I don't think I can add ts match

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i've made it clear the main reason i'm voting makima is Hell BFR
Makima having that high attack speed does nothing unless she specifically aims for alastor's staff (which she has no way of knowing that's something to do and al, with Al's prior knowledge of her strength and abilities, wouldn't let happen), Alastor literally regenerates every attack she throws at him with bang and she can't send him to space with bang since it put hole in him every time and space bfr does nothing since he can teleport back down and is immortal

 

[WeeklyBattles]

i've made it clear the main reason i'm voting makima is Hell BFR
Makima having that high attack speed does nothing unless she specifically aims for alastor's staff (which she has no way of knowing that's something to do and al, with Al's prior knowledge of her strength and abilities, wouldn't let happen), Alastor literally regenerates every attack she throws at him with bang and she can't send him to space with bang since it put hole in him every time and space bfr does nothing since he can teleport back down and is immortal

What stops him from jusst dodging the BFR?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

What stops him from jusst dodging the BFR?

The fact makima doesn't need the hand to touch her opponents to bfr

 

[GodEarh206]

What stops him from jusst dodging the BFR?

In fact, BFR actually worked on Pochita, who was much faster than her.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

In fact, BFR actually worked on Pochita, who was much faster than her.

So...the speed argument I posted would still apply here. It wouldnt be able to be added to the profiles because of this.

 

[ShionAH]

Wouldnt Al be able to BFR Makima before she BFRs him

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Wouldnt Al be able to BFR Makima before she BFRs him

I mean, sure, but where can he BFR her where she can't just teleport back from either through her teleporting through lower lifeforms or her teleporting through prinz

 

[ShionAH]

I mean, sure, but where can he BFR her where she can't just teleport back from either through her teleporting through lower lifeforms or her teleporting through prinz

She will be sealed away by her soul, I don’t think she can just teleport out of that

 

[LaserPrecision]

The fact makima doesn't need the hand to touch her opponents to bfr

This is a hard cut. We don't know how they were transported back. I think one of the other examples would've worked better.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

This is a hard cut. We don't know how they were transported back. I think one of the other examples would've worked better.

I already used that example, I just don't like reusing images that i've already used to defend my points unless I have to

 

[Qurbonboev]

Just asking, do people here know that Alastor has only 8-B durability(OP doesn't mention that fact)

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Honestly, I would argue in favor of Alastor, but since he has City Block+ level durability, the Bangs would practically pulverize him, plus all his summons are weaker than Makima's now. So unfortunately I vote for Makima.

Regarding the BFR, Alastor can activate his own BFR with a snap of his fingers, and he can teleport. The hand doesn't need to touch, but it needs to appear, and Alastor with knowledge could avoid that, I think, I haven't read all of Chainsaw Man.

 

[Lynieryz]

[Makima FRA]

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

y'all reasonings for those votes, aren't about the higher speed bang right?

[Makima FRA]

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

y'all reasonings for those votes, aren't about the higher speed bang right?

No, Makima would still have the task of hitting Alastor, but if she did, it would practically be the end of the fight. And those controlled by her are much more efficient thanks to Alastor being physically City Block+.

 

[ShionAH]

No, Makima would still have the task of hitting Alastor, but if she did, it would practically be the end of the fight. And those controlled by her are much more efficient thanks to Alastor being physically City Block+.

Tbh the same goes for Makima, if she is hit once it would one shot her and then Alastor can seal her soul

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

No, Makima would still have the task of hitting Alastor, but if she did, it would practically be the end of the fight. And those controlled by her are much more efficient thanks to Alastor being physically City Block+.

I know your vote isn't

I'm asking the dude before you

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Tbh the same goes for Makima, if she is hit once it would one shot her and then Alastor can seal her soul

Good point, but Makima has more minions and ranged attacks than Alastor. And Alastor is currently physically weaker than her, and relies on his tentacles to kill her.

 

[ShionAH]

Good point, but Makima has more minions and ranged attacks than Alastor. And Alastor is currently physically weaker than her, and relies on his tentacles to kill her.

Alastor has intangiblity and teleportation on a whim, his shadow can attack Makima from the ground which is basically impossible to predict and one shots her. He is also far more skilled in combat iirc

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Makima's minions are a blitz tier below her as far as I'm aware.
Besides Ig Quanxi.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Alastor has intangiblity and teleportation on a whim, his shadow can attack Makima from the ground which is basically impossible to predict and one shots her. He is also far more skilled in combat iirc

Yes (even if it's not properly explained in the profile), but could Alastor defeat her enough to seal her soul in time? idk, that fight is quite complicated.

On second thought, I'll change my vote to neutral.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Yes (even if it's not properly explained in the profile), but could Alastor defeat her enough to seal her soul in time? idk, that fight is quite complicated.

On second thought, I'll change my vote to neutral.

you mean incon? or should I remove the vote for now

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

you mean incon? or should I remove the vote for now

Incon.

Both have counter-attacks to their blows, both have ways to prolong the battle, both win if they hit the enemy squarely in some way. With Alastor having knowledge of Makima, it's difficult to see a more likely winner.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Incon.

Both have counter-attacks to their blows, both have ways to prolong the battle, both win if they hit the enemy squarely in some way. With Alastor having knowledge of Makima, it's difficult to see a more likely winner.

alr incon'd you

 

[ShionAH]

I will go Incon too

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Controlling memories isn't the same as controlling someone due to superiority dependent on her own perception of them. Also Makima's forced her command on people who resisted her control so not exactly sure this loose application of mind resistance will work.

Also can I get some clarity on this: Vox's page says way more for his range of mind control. Alastor's resistance says he resisted hypnosis, is there something missing or is that the full extent of Alastor's resistance?

Makina has Mind Hax, Alastor resists Mind Hax. I don't know why he wouldn't resist it.

So unless Makina has layers to her profile, I don't see why Alastor wouldn't resist it.

 

[Arkenis]

Makina has Mind Hax, Alastor resists Mind Hax. I don't know why he wouldn't resist it.

So unless Makina has layers to her profile, I don't see why Alastor wouldn't resist it.

Angel and Power showed resistance before and Makima commanded them and it overpowered their resistances. And I asked before, did Alastor resist the full mind control or just hypnosis because those are different things.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

imma eep lemme check on ts tmrw

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Angel and Power showed resistance before and Makima commanded them and it overpowered their resistances. And I asked before, did Alastor resist the full mind control or just hypnosis because those are different things.

Well, until the layer is added to her profile, Alastor resists.

Mind control and hypnosis are the same thing. The wiki doesn't separate hypnosis and mind control as different things, so the resistance applies to both. In any case, Alastor has resistance to mind hax and memory hax.

 

[ShionAH]

Well, until the layer is added to her profile, Alastor resists.

Its not even a layer I believe the "resist" they mean is like how Angel was struggling against Vox.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

makima lost her attack speed advantage with bang. In fact, bang's like 8% slower than her combat speed now (though it's invisible and has Large town ap so it's still useful) and the hell devil thing is just, at best, a thing that BFRed someone unquantifiably faster than makima by a blitz ammount so no longer the super big advange either in terms of speed.
Still gonna go with makima but wanted to note those things

 

[ShionAH]

Still gonna go with makima but wanted to note those things

Incon just makes way more sense, both have an easy wincon and can one shot each other, both are pretty cunning and smart, Alastor has the advantage of his psuedo intangiblity and teleportation while Makima seems to have on paper “easier” wincon. Their summons cancel each other out because whilst Alastors are weaker Makima’s are much slower

Its a good matchup I admit, I was wrong before

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Incon just makes way more sense, both have an easy wincon and can one shot each other, both are pretty cunning and smart, Alastor has the advantage of his psuedo intangiblity and teleportation while Makima seems to have on paper “easier” wincon. Their summons cancel each other out because whilst Alastors are weaker Makima’s are much slower

Its a good matchup I admit, I was wrong before

hmm, that's a good point. Man, why are you so convincing on Alastor matchups lately?
Incon FRA

 

[ShionAH]

hmm, that's a good point. Man, why are you so convincing on Alastor matchups lately?

Wish I could be as convincing in Adam matchups