Ninjago Star Tiering and Possible New Value

[YmTheSuper]

Also since we are using characters tanking the blasts of the Golden Weapons to scale them to 4-C coming into contact there is a contradiction.

This thread and the blog are going under the assumption that the contact of the golden weapons should scale similarly to one holding the four weapons at once, and that both scale to the feat where the golden weapons get shot into space and form a star and there are problems with that.

We know that Garmadon in the pilots can't use all 4 golden weapons at once and that he was able to use them only after going to the realm of madness where he used dark magic to grow four arms. But we see that he managed to survive a blast that was formed after the golden weapons came into contact BEFORE the pilots which would lead to a contradiction. We also see the ninja in the end of the pilots tank the same blast and we know that they scale lower than Garmadon by that point.

So since holding the golden weapons at once and getting hit by a blast created from them coming into contact have different results this would imply one of two things:
1. Surviving Holding the Golden Weapons at once and getting hit by a blast coming into contact do not require the same level of power

2. Holding the golden weapons has nothing to do with stats but rather requires immunity to existence erasure

Also why would the contact of the golden weapons or holding the golden weapons together even require 4-C to survive since the 4-C feat required the Golden Weapons to react to the Megaweapon and to get send to space at very fast speed, the two feats are very different.

Due to this and all my previous arguments for the feat being an outlier I will disagree with the op.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Ninjago Anti-Feats

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It's one thing to have 1 or 2 anti-feats. It's another matter when you have this many anti-feats especially when you are trying to scale characters above their usual showings and relying on only 2 feats that are far far above any other feat they would scale to. (Will probably add more anti-feats to the blog later because uploading to Imgur isn't working for me right now)

I can debunk literally any ******* verse to 10-B by the same logic, these are blatant PIS.

Also since we are using characters tanking the blasts of the Golden Weapons to scale them to 4-C coming into contact there is a contradiction.

This thread and the blog are going under the assumption that the contact of the golden weapons should scale similarly to one holding the four weapons at once, and that both scale to the feat where the golden weapons get shot into space and form a star and there are problems with that.

Yes, due to UES. Unless you can debunk it, lul.

We know that Garmadon in the pilots can't use all 4 golden weapons at once and that he was able to use them only after going to the realm of madness where he used dark magic to grow four arms. But we see that he managed to survive a blast that was formed after the golden weapons came into contact BEFORE the pilots which would lead to a contradiction. We also see the ninja in the end of the pilots tank the same blast and we know that they scale lower than Garmadon by that point.

Holding GWs would EE you if you are not as powerful AND do not have 4 arms, so they can be as powerful and still be unable to hold it because they have only 2 arms.

2. Holding the golden weapons has nothing to do with stats but rather requires immunity to existence erasure

This is just lying atp, it was very explicitly said that you need to be as powerful to hold GWs/MW.

Also why would the contact of the golden weapons or holding the golden weapons together even require 4-C to survive since the 4-C feat required the Golden Weapons to react to the Megaweapon and to get send to space at very fast speed, the two feats are very different.

UES. This is the feat that GWs did when they contacted each other, so.

 

[YmTheSuper]

I can debunk literally any ******* verse to 10-B by the same logic, these are blatant PIS.

The anti-feats wouldn't matter if the verse had more than two 4-C feats which isn't the case, not to mention that every other feat that can be used to scale them is far lower.

Also I'm not suggesting to downgrade them to 10-B or anything that low since there exists a good amount of Tier 7/Tier 8 feats that are pretty consistent.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Ninjago Anti-Feats

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It's one thing to have 1 or 2 anti-feats. It's another matter when you have this many anti-feats especially when you are trying to scale characters above their usual showings and relying on only 2 feats that are far far above any other feat they would scale to. (Will probably add more anti-feats to the blog later because uploading to Imgur isn't working for me right now)

Man Im sorry but what the heck? These arguments are mostly all related to LS or are just Character Induced Stupidity you can see in a lot of other shows in the wiki

Kai says the ninja can't break or lift a door because it's made of metal

Heavy case of CIS (A lot of cartoons display such stuff like that as well)

Cole struggles to turn gears

LS issue

Cole struggles in a feat against a giant spider and gets stuck in its web

Heavy CIS (He litterally keeps up with Vangelis later on, who is far above that Spider)

Ninja can't open a locked wooden door and need True Potential Cole to open it

LS issue again

Ninja need to combine their powers to open a large door

Clearly just the Ninjas lacking the LS to open the fortified door. (And this is contradicted with Cole having the strength to move mountains)

Jay and Nya are afraid of dynamite

That just doesn't justify anything. If X character fear bullets, does that seriously makes him 9-B??

Ninja are unable to stop their boat from hitting rocks during a storm and they pass-out for a while from the impact

That's just the momentum and the force caused by the impact boat to make them go unconscious. I don't understand how is that an anti feat

Jay and Cole struggle to remove wooden planks used to a lock door opening

LS ≠ AP

It's implied that this would have damaged Lloyd's body

Nya created tech that is capable of harming the Ninjas, as shown in S1

Ninja get stuck under a ship's mast

LS crush again

Cole shows some struggle to destroy a lock

That's a lock supposively made of Vengestone to keep the Ninjas from escaping, Cole would be weakened here

Lloyd and Harumi believed that a cave collapsing on the Ninja would kill them (they only survived because they hid inside of an old train)

The Ninjas feared they would get LS crushed by the rocks

Ninja get overwhelmed by Treehorns (Wildlife in Ninjago)

Really don't see what that justifies. Monsters could just be as strong as they are

Cole gets injured from this fall

Yeah...while taking bunch of blows from Yang

Lloyd is scared of getting shot by a flintlock

CIS yet again. This is legit just like Wonder Woman getting harmed by bullets even if her dura scales way higher

Harumi dies from a building collapsing (Confirmed in Crystalized)

Getting LS crushes ≠ AP + Harumi isn't even star lvl

Overall, these are mostly not anti feats at all, and most of these feats have no relations to AP. We also have a rule about sharp objects harming people

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The anti-feats wouldn't matter if the verse had more than two 4-C feats which isn't the case, not to mention that every other feat that can be used to scale them is far lower.

Also I'm not suggesting to downgrade them to 10-B or anything that low since there exists a good amount of Tier 7/Tier 8 feats that are pretty consistent.

Gravity Falls has all of the cast scaling to 8-B and Relativistic+ despite them having more consistent Tier 10-9 and Superhuman speeds. As you see, just one primary feat and another supporting that is close but not even not in the same tier is already more than enough, and here we literally have two legit feats, and the anti-feats you mentioned work literally against any Tier 9-8-7 as well… so yeah, you are just lowballing for the sake of doing so.

 

[YmTheSuper]

Gravity Falls has all of the cast scaling to 8-B and Relativistic+ despite them having more consistent Tier 10-9 and Superhuman speeds. As you see, just one primary feat and another supporting that is close but not even not in the same tier, and here we literally have two legit feats, and the anti-feats you mentioned work literally against any Tier 9-8-7 as well… so yeah, you are just lowballing for the sake of doing so.

The gap between 8-B and Tiers 9/10 is way smaller than the gap between 4-C and Tiers 7/8. It's not even comparable.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

The anti-feats wouldn't matter if the verse had more than two 4-C feats which isn't the case, not to mention that every other feat that can be used to scale them is far lower.

I still fail to see why making an Ice Column and a feat done by a weakened Morro are used over these 2 feats being made more consistant (Not only that but the said characters who produces the feats keeps up with people scaling to the 4-C chain when fighting). Morever, the Ninjas keeps getting stronger over the course of the show, really don't see why we would downplay them so hard

The gap between 8-B and Tiers 9/10 is way smaller than the gap between 4-C and Tiers 7/8. It's not even comparable.

This is just heavy downplay. There's many verses who are reliant on a few or a single feat with a solid and consistant chain to mark their rank, Tier 8 is such a downplay as the lowest ranks next to 4-C in the verse is Low 4-C individual GWs

 

[YmTheSuper]

LS issue again

Clearly just the Ninjas lacking the LS to open the fortified door. (And this is contradicted with Cole having the strength to move mountains)

LS ≠ AP

They could have destroyed the doors in all of these feats to achieve the same effect.
Also I'm using these anti-feats to show that the Ninja are not portrayed to be anything even close to star level.

 

[YmTheSuper]

There's many verses who are reliant on a few or a single feat with a solid and consistant chain to mark their rank

1. This is just whataboutism
2. I assume such verses would have other feats that are close to that feat. (a 1 or 2 tier jump wouldn't really be an outlier for most tiers)

is such a downplay as the lowest ranks next to 4-C in the verse is Low 4-C individual GWs

The individual GWs scaling to Low 4-C literally relies on the same feat that puts them together at 4-C. This isn't really an argument.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The gap between 8-B and Tiers 9/10 is way smaller than the gap between 4-C and Tiers 7/8. It's not even comparable.

Still supposed to be an outlier in both cases, yet here we are. Another example is Wander over Yonder which scales to 4-C due to a single feat. I can show you wayyyy more. That’s just not how outliers work.

They could have destroyed the doors in all of these feats to achieve the same effect.
Also I'm using these anti-feats to show that the Ninja are not portrayed to be anything even close to star level.

They are not portrayed as Tier 7 mfs either, just Wall level then.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

They could have destroyed the doors in all of these feats to achieve the same effect.
Also I'm using these anti-feats to show that the Ninja are not portrayed to be anything even close to star level.

No, they were clearly not using striking strength to open these doors, and mind you the Jay/Cole feat was done while they were powerless

1. This is just whataboutism

No, that's just not how we qualifiy inconsistancies/outliers.

The individual GWs scaling to Low 4-C literally relies on the same feat that puts them together at 4-C. This isn't really an argument.

Lowballed weakened feats isn't a supportive argument either, especially when the character has stronger ones

 

[Scarletjet]

Man Im sorry but what the heck? These arguments are mostly all related to LS or are just Character Induced Stupidity you can see in a lot of other shows in the wiki


Heavy case of CIS (A lot of cartoons display such stuff like that as well)

LS issue

Heavy CIS (He litterally keeps up with Vangelis later on, who is far above that Spider)

LS issue again

Clearly just the Ninjas lacking the LS to open the fortified door. (And this is contradicted with Cole having the strength to move mountains)

That just doesn't justify anything. If X character fear bullets, does that seriously makes him 9-B??

That's just the momentum and the force caused by the impact boat to make them go unconscious. I don't understand how is that an anti feat

LS ≠ AP

Nya created tech that is capable of harming the Ninjas, as shown in S1

LS crush again

That's a lock supposively made of Vengestone to keep the Ninjas from escaping, Cole would be weakened here

The Ninjas feared they would get LS crushed by the rocks

Really don't see what that justifies. Monsters could just be as strong as they are

Yeah...while taking bunch of blows from Yang

CIS yet again. This is legit just like Wonder Woman getting harmed by bullets even if her dura scales way higher

Getting LS crushes ≠ AP + Harumi isn't even star lvl

Overall, these are mostly not anti feats at all, and most of these feats have no relations to AP. We also have a rule about sharp objects harming people

So... hum... class T characters having an hard time with normal locks and doors? "Elemental Masters are naturally stronger than normal humans" some of the feats they has an hard time with could be done by normal humans

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

So... hum... class T characters having an hard time with normal locks and doors? "Elemental Masters are naturally stronger than normal humans" some of the feats they has an hard time with could be done by normal humans

Stop derailing, this is an AP discussion, not LS one. Go ahead and downgrade the verse in terms of LS in your own separate thread.
Why are there so many Ninjago haters popping up from everywhere lately lmfao

 

[Aolphl]

Although the Golden Weapons explosion scene looks strange, I agree with the thread

 

[Aolphl]

So... hum... class T characters having an hard time with normal locks and doors? "Elemental Masters are naturally stronger than normal humans" some of the feats they has an hard time with could be done by normal humans

Simply P.I.S, not anything

 

[OrangeFR]

What, is Saitama below average human in speed because he couldn’t catch a mosquito? Is Sonic wall level because he dies from spikes? Is Paper Mario wall level because he can’t break metal blocks without a stronger hammer? Is Goku less than planetary because he struggled to lift 40 tons in base? Of course not, anyone could spend like 5 minutes playing any video game or watching any show or movie or reading any book that has anything to do with powerscaling and nerfing them to average human level because of inconsistencies.

Ninjago Anti-Feats

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It's one thing to have 1 or 2 anti-feats. It's another matter when you have this many anti-feats especially when you are trying to scale characters above their usual showings and relying on only 2 feats that are far far above any other feat they would scale to. (Will probably add more anti-feats to the blog later because uploading to Imgur isn't working for me right now)

 

[Scarletjet]

Yes, due to UES. Unless you can debunk it, lul.

The weapons that got "deformed" by the tier 4 feat shouldn't scale to a normal blast from the GW even in a full on UES

 

[Lloydblitzed]

The weapons that got "deformed" by the tier 4 feat shouldn't scale to a normal blast from the GW even in a full on UES

The blog already goes over this, read it. They kept all their normal powers and propreties, and the OP address that point

 

[Scarletjet]

The blog already goes over this, read it. They kept all their normal powers and propreties, and the OP address that point

I read it and it wouldn't matter, if that blast was tier 4 it would have "deformed" the weapon just like it happened in that other time.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Agree with the OP

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Eh, I can understand the GW's Star Level, but I can't entirely agree with upscaling the Main Cast. That small explosion and the star feat are clearly on completely different scales.

I agree with Wu's Pocket Dimension though.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Eh, I can understand the GW's Star Level, but I can't entirely agree with upscaling the Main Cast. That small explosion and the star feat are clearly on completely different scales.

Alright, but do you agree on Lloyd having the power of the GWs or not?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Alright, but do you agree on Lloyd having the power of the GWs or not?

The scan doesn't say he has the powers of the GWs. It says the transformative powers of the GWs turn him into the Green Ninja.

 

[AigerTheKing]

The scan doesn't say he has the powers of the GWs. It says the transformative powers of the GWs turn him into the Green Ninja.

This is the right scan where it says he has the powers of the GWs (keep in mind the Ninjas powers came from them at the time)

Eh, I can understand the GW's Star Level, but I can't entirely agree with upscaling the Main Cast. That small explosion and the star feat are clearly on completely different scales.

The Ninjas would still upscales from their fight with MW Garmadon so even by ignoring the explosion feat, we can still scale them to the weapons

 

[YmTheSuper]

I will link to my main counter-arguments throughout the thread here for convenience.
Outlier argument, response, another response, more responses, anti-feats to support it being an outlier, scaling contradiction, anti-feats matter because star level is much higher than any other feat that the base ninja could scale to.

To get a better idea you could also start reading from the first post i linked here because there are many more responses.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

This is the right scan where it says he has the powers of the GWs (keep in mind the Ninjas powers came from them at the time)

Two issues though. First, it seems like they're saying he has the abilities of the GWs, not their AP. Secondly, you're saying at this period in the series, they get their powers from the GWs.

If you're talking about their actual abilities, like Elemental or whatever, then that's fine. But if you're saying their superhuman characteristics, like super speed, strength, etc, also come from the GWs, then that's even more reason for him not to scale. Being powered by something does not mean your AP is equal to its AP.

The Ninjas would still upscales from their fight with MW Garmadon so even by ignoring the explosion feat, we can still scale them to the weapons

I really don't feel comfortable scaling them using these small explosions, and basic sword clashes when the feat in question is creating a literal star.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Two issues though. First, it seems like they're saying he has the abilities of the GWs, not their AP. Secondly, you're saying at this period in the series, they get their powers from the GWs.

If you're talking about their actual abilities, like Elemental or whatever, then that's fine. But if you're saying their superhuman characteristics, like super speed, strength, etc, also come from the GWs, then that's even more reason for him not to scale. Being powered by something does not mean your AP is equal to its AP.

Its referring to Elemental Powers

I really don't feel comfortable scaling them using these small explosions, and basic sword clashes when the feat in question is creating a literal star.

Again, the weapons upscales from a UES, which is why Im arguing that physically clashing with those weapons would scale to them

I will link to my main counter-arguments throughout the thread here for convenience.
Outlier argument, response, another response, more responses, anti-feats to support it being an outlier, scaling contradiction, anti-feats matter because star level is much higher than any other feat that the base ninja could scale to.

To get a better idea you could also start reading from the first post i linked here because there are many more responses.

Honestly, I'll just respond to this with what OrangeFR said

What, is Saitama below average human in speed because he couldn’t catch a mosquito? Is Sonic wall level because he dies from spikes? Is Paper Mario wall level because he can’t break metal blocks without a stronger hammer? Is Goku less than planetary because he struggled to lift 40 tons in base? Of course not, anyone could spend like 5 minutes playing any video game or watching any show or movie or reading any book that has anything to do with powerscaling and nerfing them to average human level because of inconsistencies.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Its referring to Elemental Powers. Again, the weapons upscales from a UES, which is why Im arguing that physically clashing with those weapons would scale to them

I'm just not convinced. Maybe some other staff will have other opinions, but right now I'm neutral, leaning towards disagreeing.

 

[YmTheSuper]

What, is Saitama below average human in speed because he couldn’t catch a mosquito? Is Sonic wall level because he dies from spikes? Is Paper Mario wall level because he can’t break metal blocks without a stronger hammer? Is Goku less than planetary because he struggled to lift 40 tons in base? Of course not, anyone could spend like 5 minutes playing any video game or watching any show or movie or reading any book that has anything to do with powerscaling and nerfing them to average human level because of inconsistencies.

Most of these characters have actual consistent portrayals and a considerable amount of feats above their anti-feats that they would hold more weight than them, they also usually have feats that bridge the gap between their peak feats and their lower ones so there wouldn't be a massive jump in stats (unlike the proposal here where we are relying on 2 feats that are far above anything else that the characters that would scale to them showcased not to mention that the validity of them scaling to the 2 feats is already in question).

Also the examples of Mario and Sonic are just video game mechanics and we don't really use or apply them when scaling.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Most of these characters have actual consistent portrayals and a considerable amount of feats above their anti-feats that they would hold more weight than them

The same can be said for Ninjago

they also usually have feats that bridge the gap between their peak feats and their lower ones so there wouldn't be a massive jump in stats

The amount of lower feats outweights their best feats, which would also downgrade them to like 9-B following your logic.

(unlike the proposal here where we are relying on 2 feats that are far above anything else that the characters that would scale to them showcased not to mention that the validity of them scaling to the 2 feats is already in question).

I think the blog and previous messages already did a fair job of explaining why the feats are consistant, and bunch of CIS feats are not anti-feats

 

[AigerTheKing]

I'm just not convinced. Maybe some other staff will have other opinions, but right now I'm neutral, leaning towards disagreeing.

So Neutral for GWs and agree with Dimension feat then

If we ignore both of those feats then we get consistent Tier 7 and Tier 8 feats for the verse for the mid-tiers/low-tiers as shown here, here and here

I could calc this explosion, claim its 8-B, and use it as an Anti-Feat

 

[YmTheSuper]

The amount of lower feats outweights their best feats, which would also downgrade them to like 9-B following your logic.

Not really. My problem with the base ninja scaling to 4-C is the massive gap between it and the next highest feat that they would scale to (as i already explained here) and also the low number of feats that scale to 4-C, these feats being questionable and additionally the lack of feats that are even close to it since to use feats that have a massive gap between them and every other feat that certain characters would scale to there needs to be consistency for that scaling (which isn't the case here).

Also you're misinterpreting my argument, my argument was never that having many feats lower than 4-C makes it an outlier but rather that it isn't consistent and is a massive jump in strength which makes it an outlier. I used anti-feats simply as supporting evidence that the Ninja in their bases aren't portrayed to be even close to star level in the series.

 

[YmTheSuper]

I could calc this explosion, claim its 8-B, and use it as an Anti-Feat

1. I didn't use the feats I linked there as Anti-Feats but as proof that tier 7/tier 8 scaling for the base Ninja is consistent. (Basically to prove that the ninja have feats that scale around tier 7/tier 8 and also to showcase the gap between them and 4-C due to the lack of other feats between them, we literally have many tier 7/tier 8 feats, two 4-C feats that are already in debate and an extremely vague 6-A statement)

Also neither the 3 feats I linked nor the feat you linked would count as Anti-Feats since they don't showcase the limit of a character.

2. This

Also you're misinterpreting my argument, my argument was never that having many feats lower than 4-C makes it an outlier but rather that it isn't consistent and is a massive jump in strength which makes it an outlier. I used anti-feats simply as supporting evidence that the Ninja in their bases aren't portrayed to be even close to star level in the series.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Not really. My problem with the base ninja scaling to 4-C is the massive gap between it and the next highest feat that they would scale to (as i already explained here)

Why does it matter?

and also the low number of feats that scale to 4-C, these feats being questionable and additionally the lack of feats that are even close to it since to use feats that have a massive gap between them and every other feat that certain characters would scale to there needs to be consistency for that scaling (which isn't the case here).

1. I didn't use the feats I linked there as Anti-Feats but as proof that tier 7/tier 8 scaling for the base Ninja is consistent. (Basically to prove that the ninja have feats that scale around tier 7/tier 8 and also to showcase the gap between them and 4-C due to the lack of other feats between them, we literally have many tier 7/tier 8 feats, two 4-C feats that are already in debate and an extremely vague 6-A statement)

The amount of feat has little importance if they are made consistant. Heck we even have an enemy of Wu creating a Starry sky dream dimension who was previously defeated by the Sensei. And Wu also remade the Speedway Five Billion's part of Prime Empire, who has its own Day and Night cycle too (Since we don't have proof he remade the entire Realm, its limited to 4-C), Nadakhan making his own version of Ninjago, which was illuminated by a source of light, implying he made the space and a sun too

• Limited Pocket Reality Manipulation & Empathic Manipulation (Created an alternate Ninjago world where girls were absurdly crazy for Kai[10])

so we actually have 4-5 Stellar lvl feats done by mid tiers in the verse which makes Star tiering more consistant

Also you're misinterpreting my argument, my argument was never that having many feats lower than 4-C makes it an outlier but rather that it isn't consistent and is a massive jump in strength which makes it an outlier. I used anti-feats simply as supporting evidence that the Ninja in their bases aren't portrayed to be even close to star level in the series.

The fact the Ninjas are shown on the lvl of the said weapon right before the Star was made and in the early series defeats that point even further

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Eh, I can understand the GW's Star Level, but I can't entirely agree with upscaling the Main Cast. That small explosion and the star feat are clearly on completely different scales.

AP =/= DC. The explosion is as powerful due to UES.

I agree with Wu's Pocket Dimension though.

So, do you agree with 4-C for the main cast overall?

I really don't feel comfortable scaling them using these small explosions, and basic sword clashes when the feat in question is creating a literal star.

But the point is that Garmadon can hold Megaweapon/4 Golden Weapons, which would erase someone from existence. And they did not only clash swords but also fought physically and could harm each other. And again, Cole could hold the Megaweapon as well, so I don't see why they wouldn't be 4-C. AP does not equal DC, we cannot expect them to destroy/create in every occasion.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I could calc this explosion, claim its 8-B, and use it as an Anti-Feat

This is not anywhere near 8-B, it's way below tbh.

 

[YmTheSuper]

Heck we even have an enemy of Wu creating a Starry sky dream dimension who was previously defeated by the Sensei

1. This feat is taken from the Stone Cold comic which has contradictions with the show (Wu's meeting with Kai is different from that in the show) which makes it non-canon
2. The feat took place inside the dreams of Wu which makes it unusable for scaling (proof)

And Wu also remade the Speedway Five Billion's part of Prime Empire, who has its own Day and Night cycle too (Since we don't have proof he remade the entire Realm, its limited to 4-C),

There's no proof that Wu created all of Prime Empire, only Speedway Five Billion is shown and that's the only part of Prime Empire that the Ninja go to in the dimension (there'd be no point for Wu to create all of Prime Empire only for the Ninja not to go to them), also Speedway Five Billion is never shown to run on a Day and Night cycle. Not to mention that a Day and Night cycle is not enough for a pocket dimension to be 4-C since a star needs to be shown which is never the case in prime empire.

Nadakhan making his own version of Ninjago, which was illuminated by a source of light, implying he made the space and a sun too

This wouldn't scale to physical stats since Nadakhan's wishes are not a UES.
From the Creation Feats page in the wiki

Even though there is concrete evidence for pocket reality creations to qualify as an Attack Potency feat; it should not be assumed to scale to physical statistics without some notable scaling reasons. Examples include on screen demonstrations, examples of destruction, or information that the same pool of energy used to create said dimension can translate to the same amount of energy being used for other abilities including but not limited to physical strikes.

 

[YmTheSuper]

Also, the thread is getting clogged. We should preferably wait for more staff input.

 

[AigerTheKing]

1. This feat is taken from the Stone Cold comic which has contradictions with the show (Wu's meeting with Kai is different from that in the show) which makes it non-canon

The wordings are different, but he says something similar

There's no proof that Wu created all of Prime Empire, only Speedway Five Billion is shown and that's the only part of Prime Empire that the Ninja go to in the dimension (there'd be no point for Wu to create all of Prime Empire only for the Ninja not to go to them), also Speedway Five Billion is never shown to run on a Day and Night cycle. Not to mention that a Day and Night cycle is not enough for a pocket dimension to be 4-C since a star needs to be shown which is never the case in prime empire.

Prime Empire is a shadow of the Real World, so no

This wouldn't scale to physical stats since Nadakhan's wishes are not a UES.

From the Creation Feats page in the wiki

Nadakhan at the time is amped by EPs who have a UES + Pretty sure Djinns magic is shown weaker when physically injured, which would imply UES

Also, the thread is getting clogged. We should preferably wait for more staff input.

Whatever

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Wu's meeting with Kai is different from that in the show

The point is still the same, though. It's not an entirely new scene, it’s just a summary of what Wu said… so nah

This wouldn't scale to physical stats since Nadakhan's wishes are not a UES.
From the Creation Feats page in the wiki

It still shows that stellar feats are a thing in Ninjago, and your argument relies on "OUTLIER!!!1!!!" yappery. 2 is already more than enough, as I gave examples with Gravity Falls and Wander over Yonder who haev only 1 feat that matches the tier, and this is just a supportive of the 4-C feats in Ninjago...

Nadakhan at the time is amped by EPs who have a UES + Pretty sure Djinns magic is shown weaker when physically injured, which would imply UES

Meh, Nadakhan created it via Djinn Magic, not EPs, and the reason he was weaker is because Widow Tiger’s Poison was magic-draining iirc, so I don’t really think so