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Ninjago Star Tiering and Possible New Value
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I need to clarify that the outlier section was about every single character in the verse scaling to the star creation feat not the feat itself. The blog only mentions it being an outlier in relation to the feat itself and the golden weapons not having many feats and doesn't mention it being above every other stat that most characters scale to.
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How is it above the stats most character scale to if multiple chars scale to Wu who also has a Star feat?
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Fair enough, but it is consistent with Wu’s feat, and the GWs feat itself is very consistently stated and was shown in the show, so I don’t think we can just, yk, ignore them.
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Creation Feats
Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...
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My main problem with using the creation feat is that we have no time-frame to scale the feat to, although I don't know if pocket dimension creation feats are treated differently to other creation feats.
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There's a calc of how fast the GWs were to go into the sky and create the Star within a timeframe of 3 secondsCreation Feats
Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...
My main problem with using the creation feat is that we have no time-frame to scale the feat to, although I don't know if pocket dimension creation feats are treated differently to other creation feats.
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FYI, it is generally a bad idea to overuse whataboutisms as the crux of your arguments. Especially if it involves what is considered the most self explanatory example of a UES, has consistent backup lore, and is basically the epitome of ABC power scaling.
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This is not 4-C
This is Low 4-C
This is Low 4-C
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Last time I checked, creating a star is equal to 4-C. Unless you use your own tiering system, where Low 4-C is Star level.
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but its a small star
thats why its Low 4-C
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Why and where is it said to be a small Star?
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why would we assume its the size of a normal star if its visually shown to be a small star
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How is it shown to be a small star?? Even WOG and book statements doesn't call it as such
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"Visually" it is shown to be even brighter than a regular star lmfao. Also:
Unless you show a concerete proof of it being unusual to call it small star. Also, Wu's feat gets you 4-C, not L4-C.
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And to add to this, Yellow colored stars would be as big as the Sun (which is our case here), while the smallest ones are Red colored.
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because if you calc the feat you'd get a Low 4-C value
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??????
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Nowhere in Reference for Common Feats is this stated
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The Robot is right.
Lloyd says it took 3 seconds, this would cause the feat to be downgraded to 1.897e+41 (Low 4-C), unless the Wiki ignores the time limit when it is too short.
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see i was right
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It took 3 seconds for the GW to go to space, it took a second or less for the Star itself to be made. And creating a Pocket Dimension with an Astronomical Unit isn't Low 4-C at all
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It will depend on how long it took to create it.
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Pocket Dimension feats doesn't really use timeframesCreation Feats
Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...
My main problem with using the creation feat is that we have no time-frame to scale the feat to, although I don't know if pocket dimension creation feats are treated differently to other creation feats.
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In this calculation it is not being used because it assumes that the dimension is created in an instant, rather than having taken some time.
Edit: I thought you had sent a calculation of common talents
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He pretty much called the dimension off instantly
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The OP did, yeah
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Lastly, the creation of the object(s) in question needs to happen within a reasonably short timeframe for the whole result to apply to the Attack Potency.
If it had actually happened in 3 seconds, apparently the feat would still be 4-C
Since it would be a short timeframe
Edit: This is how I'm interpreting this part
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The calling off thing takes 1 second. The GW take around 0.56 seconds to form the Star
Where do you get these timeframe values?
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For now I'm neutral
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The 3 seconds? Lloyd's, but he was talking about something else, so it's just a hypothetical scenario.
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Agree with op
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While I'm not against the star level scaling as much as I used to there are some things that need clarification mainly surrounding the blog:
Also I don't get the notion that someone being stronger than someone that can wield the golden weapons makes him able to wield the weapons. Garmadon clearly states that he used dark magic to be able to wield the weapons (which is very clearly hax as it gave him four arms and dark magic itself has many hax applications like how clouse uses it so it has nothing to do with ap).
If we were to use the logic that ap allows people to wield the weapons then everyone that scales to Garmadon or above baseline Star Level would be immune to the Golden Weapon and Megaweapons' Existence Erasure and Garmadon himself would lose his resistance to EE since it implies that AP is the main reason for him being able to wield them (also according to the blog having four arms is sometimes a requirement to hold the weapons and sometimes not which is only justified with the cole feat that i talked about earlier)
Can you provide a scan for this statement? I searched and checked through the series and i didn't find it
This is contradicted with the fact that touching The Golden Armor (Which is made from The Golden Weapons and was later reforged into them) killed zane and Kai Stating that touching the armor would turn the ninja to toast. Not to mention that Tommy Andreasen, one of the writers, Stating that the only reason Kai was able to touch the armor in Season 10 is because Zane absorbed its power when it killed him in Season 3 which is good supporting evidence, this makes it more consistent that the ninja can't wield all golden weapons together.
Also I don't get the notion that someone being stronger than someone that can wield the golden weapons makes him able to wield the weapons. Garmadon clearly states that he used dark magic to be able to wield the weapons (which is very clearly hax as it gave him four arms and dark magic itself has many hax applications like how clouse uses it so it has nothing to do with ap).
If we were to use the logic that ap allows people to wield the weapons then everyone that scales to Garmadon or above baseline Star Level would be immune to the Golden Weapon and Megaweapons' Existence Erasure and Garmadon himself would lose his resistance to EE since it implies that AP is the main reason for him being able to wield them (also according to the blog having four arms is sometimes a requirement to hold the weapons and sometimes not which is only justified with the cole feat that i talked about earlier)
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Zane absorbed not only the GWs, but the FSM power that was powering GM since he absorbed 90% of it from Lloyd in S3 as well
Wielding the GWs alltogheter requires 4 arms and enough strength. Garmadon lacked the 4 arms part by the time of Pilots, which is why he went in the Realm of Madness to begin with
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The blog meant that Garmadon would never say to his army that other people such as Wu and the Ninjas would be capable of wisthanding the MW's or the GWs power (which he saw first hand while fighting Wu)
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It is implied that the touching the armor alone would be able to EE the ninja since as i linked earlier the only reason Kai was able to touching the armor was due to it losing its powers (the armor IS made out of the golden weapons and was used later to reforge them) and the writer was responding to a question related to the being made out of the golden weapons. Also, Kai still sayed that merely touching The Armor would lead to the ninja turning into toast (The armor is made out of the golden weapons and the rest of the golden power was used to power The Golden Master and give The Overlord a physical body)
Yes, he went to the realm of madness to use the dark magic to get four arms to be able to use all Golden Weapons at once but being able to use them without getting EEd is simply resistance to Existence Erasure and has nothing to do with AP otherwise Garmadon would lose his resistance to EE and everyone that scales above the weapons would be able to wield them all at once
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Oh alright, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Wouldn't this just prove that the golden weapons making contact together has a different effect from attempting to use the weapons together or touching them combined (in the state of the Megaweapon, Golden Armor or the comet found in space), since most of the feats used to scale the ninja show the weapons coming into contact into each other and not them attempting to hold them at once (also this would be more consistent with the proof shown earlier)
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The same Ninjas knew that the Golden Armor was powered by USM's power as well so yes they have reason to believe they would die from it. GM is also considered the most powerful entity in history, having no equal adversaries as well as possessing the powers of FSM, which is implied to come from USM himself, all that knowing EMs channels their power physically so the armor would've been affected as well
Not really, bc their AP = Their Dura
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