Being a staff longer doesn't signify more experience as they can just be idling for a very long time, while the higher staff role is more likely as they engage in the wiki more and provide better arguments.
I did not edit it out, I just moved it a little bit.
Most invulnerability systems have some weakness. Limited would be more so if it only protected from a few things
Yeah but this weakness is literally the entire power system of the verse so i think a limited rating is valid
It would only work if you equalize the energy system
When I replied to you, you had the message removed. I edited my message right after I noticed the specific message I replied to is missing. Not sure what you are trying to achieve here by telling people to "Grow up".
No I didn't. Grow up.
I never called you out when you called me stubborn, I simply ignored it. But when you tell me to "grow up", I know you are just trying to get me agitated the entire time. I will stop here now.
I forgot that JJK qualifies for three staff members. We'll there's noted mechanic behind their invulnerability and the power itself is already accepted, so I'm fine with the changes.
Oh, does it? I just didn't see Duedate's post.
I mean that's only with verse Equalization which isn't a set in stone requirement
I will apply it once I'm home
Literally any spiritual power system is enought
I mean...yes, any energy system based on energy formed from emotions works...like duh ofc it does
The verse page says it's secondary canon, don't know how up to date that is tho
It's planned to be removed and people want to make anime pages instead
It seems like this example is pretty similar, except it's missing anything like "resist the pressures of the mundane world". In place of a mechanism like that, it just says "you need curse energy bro".
If this is what you define as a "mechanism" then I am going to disagree with you on its necessity when we have every other step of the process. It's clearly established that AP doesn't matter and isn't enough to overcome the invulnerability even when it comes to much weaker opponents who'd otherwise be one-shot then frankly I don't see what else the ability could be.
Not really. I can't think of many showings where the ability is clearly established to work regardless of relative durability/AP, never contradicted (and I count "guy operating without an explicit way to negate it being able to punch through" Sonic-style as a contradiction) and always requires interfacing with its weakness to bypass it.
I think we absolutely would, lol. If they went out of their way to establish that it's not an AP thing and that it can just cut anything regardless of durability - which is the the inversion of what's going on here - that'd be downright textbook duraneg.
That's dumb, this clearly isn't AP, you're essentially headcanoning your interpretation of how it functions. It's like you're afraid of giving it out when it could potentially maybe be wrong, and creating a much bigger inaccuracy in the process.
Through such an ability, we're effectively granting Low 1-A durability. We may want to be careful and actually have every step of the process.
Sonic. At least, that's what the supporters argue, and I didn't look into it further.
Yeah, ig it is probably better to just take it as conditional durability that doesn't function on things that it's weak to. While limiting the conditional durability at its best feat, rather than at 1-A.
... In the same way that Intangibility gives you Low 1-A durability, I suppose. Or that teleporting away from an attack gives you Low 1-A damage negation. You're wording it in a very sensationalized way. I think you are overly paranoid of the ability being handed out unfairly and are letting that affect your judgement, it's true that we should only grant it to legitimate cases but when it's very clearly portrayed as ignoring the very existence of AP - and that is what's going on here - it should at least qualify.
Sonic's profile literally just says "he's invulnerable and doesn't take damage" over and over with no real elaboration. It wouldn't qualify according to really any real definition of the ability based on that. There's no elaboration that it's irregardless of the attack's power, no feats of a weak super form tanking much stronger attacks, no statements that you can only bypass it with specific tools...
Well I don't think that's true to the text. It's pretty clear that durability isn't really what's going on here and that they just lack the means to meaningfully interface with the target.
c'mon
I've been told stuff along these lines.
I thought it was argued to not be intangibility? "They can't properly interact with it" is a mechanism (albeit one that would just fall under intangibility).
I don't really care about a post with no scans dropped three pages into an unconcluded thread, I'm sorry.
From my understanding it's something along those lines, my suggestion was to list it as "Invulnerability and unconventional Intangibility", since they can still touch them, they just can't hurt them, so it doesn't work the way the ability normally does, but it's still predicated upon that kind of logic (and bypassed if the opponent has NPI). Admittedly I am not fully sure so I'll tag OP @LIFE_OF_KING for confirmation.
I would point out here that Wok is saying that evidence of sidestepping AP is enough. My argument is that's what's going on here. I'd wait for clarification from supporters though
All of those examples were just people randomly being stated to be invulnerable with literally no context except "this makes me invulnerable". It's like superman sunbathing and randomly saying "nobody can hurt me" and that was the defining factor. Flimsy baseless justifications. Like sonic ingame invulnerability is literally just "he takes no in-game damage".
If need be I can make a thread to emphasize the standards b4 this goes through if that helps, I don't want something outright wrong to go through
Don't know if CE lets Sorcerers interact with the abstract nature of Curses tho, even after being exorcised, it doesn't stop them from reincarnating again.
I don't think this makes Cursed Spirits abstract, or even matter for the nature of Cursed Spirits. It's not implied that reincarnation is unique to them, and being exorcized wouldn't typically affect their soul anyway. It just sounds like Jogo believes in typical reincarnation.
