Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I am going to be super busy today, but I was in the DMs with Styrm and basically in the agreement his ban length was too strict. That and other things were brought up that some would argue that perhaps the ban given to Fujiwura might have been too generous, but I thought the one given was fairly reasonable. Since she was fully aware of this rule.

• It is important to underline that we do not tolerate extreme misandrism any more than we tolerate extreme misogynism, and that the same goes for Christophobia, antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Hinduism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, and all forms of racism and supremacism, etcetera. Basically that the rules are the same for everybody in this regard.

Which her joke about heterosexual and cisgender slanders would be a textbook example of an attempt to work around the above mandatory rule. Despite the rules basically insisting that regardless of majority vs minority status, discrimination and bigotry of all forms are equally intolerable around here. All I have to say on the matter, I think we can drop the main topic and it is agreed for both sides to move on.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Can this be reopened? This just seems like paranoia and i put sfw in title. I'm also making sure people don't go out of line with what they say. Otherwise I'll have to think he just closed it because he broke up (is a joke) with me out of spite

What are your top 3, 5 or 10 worst secrets? I'll go first (sfw)

1. In high school I skipped school one day. It was probably freshman year or sophomore. My uncle is pretty scary so I decided I'll just let him think I left but I never did. I had to go to the bathroom super bad so Pee'd on the floor, got it up best I could, then let my dog loose inside house to...

vsbattles.com

 

[GrathOfLux]

Can this be reopened? This just seems like paranoia and i put sfw in title. I'm also making sure people don't go out of line with what they say. Otherwise I'll have to think he just closed it because he broke up (is a joke) with me out of spite

What are your top 3, 5 or 10 worst secrets? I'll go first (sfw)

1. In high school I skipped school one day. It was probably freshman year or sophomore. My uncle is pretty scary so I decided I'll just let him think I left but I never did. I had to go to the bathroom super bad so Pee'd on the floor, got it up best I could, then let my dog loose inside house to...

vsbattles.com

Within the first few posts, it was already delving into very questionable territory. Keeping it closed is simply the prudent thing to do.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Sorry boss no problem

 

[Newendigo]

I know you all probably really tired of this person, but currently she has a NSFW piece of artwork in her banner, this was called upon a couple of hours ago, for another drawing that was apparently less explicit, this time around it just straight up sex

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yeah.

@Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara Do change that.

 

[Abstractions]

I haven't the slightest idea as to why that boundary even needs to be pushed, I'm not even someone who really cares for the bikini ass focus or cropped NSFW profile pictures. But Christ Almighty woman she's physically being pleasured and her nipples are on full display.

Have at least a smidgen of modesty about it, please and thank you.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Yeah.

@Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara Do change that.

Apologies, I am now aware of the fact that it is a rule violation to use a blatantly NSFW image as a profile banner. I hope this will become common knowledge among VSBW users so that nobody would be hypothetically subjected to degenerate material such as, say, a 14 year old's ass in lingerie. I think we could all agree that such a hypothetical scenario would be unacceptable and would require such an image to be removed immediately.

oh shit oh fuckkkkk how'd that get here lol

her nipples are on full display.

they aren't but im not gonna split hairs about this since i know it's nsfw and i just felt the need to make a point

 

[Abstractions]

oh shit oh fuckkkkk how'd that get here lol

These things are so drastically apart, come on.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

These things are so drastically apart, come on.

I think most people - most sane people, anyways - would much rather look at lesbian sex between consenting adults than a sexualized child. Neither belong here, of course, but only one appears to be getting nuked at the moment. Fact of the matter is people hate looking at AKM's banner, they have a very good reason for that discomfort, yet it's somehow still around. Fix it.

 

[Abstractions]

I think most people - most sane people, anyways - would much rather look at lesbian sex between consenting adults than a sexualized child.

We aren't here to discuss the ethics of aging up in art, what we are discussing is the difference between what is at least clothed rear focus versus a woman getting fingered on main with nothing left to the imagination. Let's try to not obfuscate.

 

[Crabwhale]

I think most people - most sane people, anyways - would much rather look at lesbian sex between consenting adults than a sexualized child. Neither belong here, of course, but only one appears to be getting nuked at the moment. Fact of the matter is people hate looking at AKM's banner, they have a very good reason for that discomfort, yet it's somehow still around. Fix it.

Full disclosure I'm one of the people that strongly wants AKM to change his banner, but this is utter trite lol

You can't just have a picture of full-on sexual intercourse that does the absolute bare minimum to avoid nipples and ****** and be like "see guys they hate sex but leave big butt aged up anime girls on there". These things are not equivalent.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara Yes, many folks would rather look at lesbian sex... on websites that are explicitly made for NSFW content and not something like the versus wiki forums where stuff like this isn't allowed. You making your banner flat out sex isn't helping your case and we've already got this report on AKM addressed like several days ago with Ant trying to contact AKM to change the banner to something that doesn't involve some sexual content towards fictional minors. There's many different ways you can comment about AKM's banner, this isn't one of them.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

None of this is going to change the fact that people are almost universally uncomfortable with it and the solution is so goddamn simple that we wouldn't have to be doing any of this if a single person actually gave enough of a shit to tell AKM maybe he shouldn't be ass blasting people with his banner on a site used by minors. Wasn't particularly hard to tell me to tone it down. What, did he threaten to demote yall if you asked him to not be horny on main?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It doesn't matter what the issue is with AKM's banner. Change the banner.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

It doesn't matter what the issue is with AKM's banner. Change the banner.

Was done the moment I saw the report. So we're halfway done with changing banners that need to be changed.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Good to hear. Report over, everyone go back to your villain lairs and prepare your next villainous deed, see you next time.

 

[Crabwhale]

None of this is going to change the fact that people are almost universally uncomfortable with it and the solution is so goddamn simple that we wouldn't have to be doing any of this if a single person actually gave enough of a shit to tell AKM maybe he shouldn't be ass blasting people with his banner on a site used by minors. Wasn't particularly hard to tell me to tone it down. What, did he threaten to demote yall if you asked him to not be horny on main?

Fuji, multiple staff did tell him it was best to remove that picture. Most staff, even. Nobody is threatening anybody with demotion here. I think you should know a portion of us as being better than to stick around if that were the case.

You're being chaffing for zero reason.

 

[Dereck03]

Okay, first, let's just say that just because she put up a banner that is practically explicit **** and hid behind the excuse that AKM has that banner and blah, blah, blah.

I couldn't care less about AKM's banner, in fact AKM is so inactive that I don't think anyone even looks at his profile and the ones that do mostly don't say anything either because they don't care or because yikes.

This means that any of us can easily put a banner or pfp borderline **** and excuse ourselves in anything and get away with it? BRUH.

Many have been banned before for that and nothing happens here. SMH.

 

[Antvasima]

Stop causing controversy Fujiwara. You are already on thin ice given the extreme comment you made in private yesterday. There are much better ways to make your point.

Also, AKM's image features drawings of fully grown women in revealing dresses, not children, and AKM has stated that he will remove it if we modify our rules to explicitly disallow these types of drawings, as we seem to have overlooked borderline situations such as this previously.

However, our rules already disallow any explicitly sexual content.

I have repeatedly been trying to be understanding and tolerant to you, given your traumatic background, mental health situation, and highly stressful real life persecution, but continuously shooting yourself in the feet with melodramatic outbursts of different types is not the right way for you to handle your problems.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

She isn't getting away with it. Fuji was told to stop Performative Bullshit Incident #912, and she did. That said, if you have a proposal in mind, by all means say it.

 

[Antvasima]

Was done the moment I saw the report. So we're halfway done with changing banners that need to be changed.

Good to hear. Report over, everyone go back to your villain lairs and prepare your next villainous deed, see you next time.

Yes. Thank you for being reasonable.

 

[Antvasima]

Cool. See you in staff discussion in 20ish minutes, then.

I told you to stop habitually causing drama. DarkGrath is already preparing a staff thread.

The fact that there's even ambiguity over this is concerning. I've got a lot of yuri that's unmistakably NSFW but also involves fully clothed characters, I don't think that would've gone over well, either.

Characters making out is more controversial than adult characters in revealing dresses, but for the record I would personally prefer if AKM changes the image, but I won't condemn him with extremely exaggerated accusations either.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Since she was fully aware of this rule.

• It is important to underline that we do not tolerate extreme misandrism any more than we tolerate extreme misogynism, and that the same goes for Christophobia, antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Hinduism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, and all forms of racism and supremacism, etcetera. Basically that the rules are the same for everybody in this regard.

I didn't really know what thread to bring this up in, but it felt right to address it here. This isn't really a report, so I apologize in advanced and ask Staff and HR that you humor me. This is being touted as precedent, but I don't see it codified on the site rules.

Can this actually be added to the thread rules page? Some of these examples are absent, and I would love to see them implemented. It would save me and DarkGrath some trouble. Thank you and I wont bring this up any further here.

(Edited)

 

[Antvasima]

Fujiwara has responded that she will wait for DarkGrath to handle it, so that is good then.

 

[Damage3245]

Good to hear. Report over, everyone go back to your villain lairs and prepare your next villainous deed, see you next time.

Just seen this report. Personally I think that Fujiwara deserves a punishment here beyond just needing to change the inappropriate banner:

Apologies, I am now aware of the fact that it is a rule violation to use a blatantly NSFW image as a profile banner. I hope this will become common knowledge among VSBW users so that nobody would be hypothetically subjected to degenerate material such as, say, a 14 year old's ass in lingerie. I think we could all agree that such a hypothetical scenario would be unacceptable and would require such an image to be removed immediately.

There is no way that Fujiwara did not know that the banner they uploaded was inappropriate. They deliberately changed it to something inappropriate in order to make a point regarding their feelings towards AKM's own banner.

This would make it an intentional violation of the rules for the purpose of stirring up drama rather than just an innocent mistake.

I think a short ban time is required here.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

An actionable suggestion. I do not strictly disagree. It is not her first time doing this, least of all in recent times. The pot stirring is by all accounts becoming more frequent rather than less. What do you propose in terms of length?

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

How long was her ban period before?

 

[Damage3245]

An actionable suggestion. I do not strictly disagree. It is not her first time doing this, least of all in recent times. The pot stirring is by all accounts becoming more frequent rather than less. What do you propose in terms of length?

Fujiwara has previously been banned twice this year, for 2 weeks and for 1 month. I don't think the punishment should necessarily exceed either of those ban lengths. So between 2 to 4 weeks is my recommendation.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Fujiwara has previously been banned twice this year, for 2 weeks and for 1 month. I don't think the punishment should necessarily exceed either of those ban lengths. So between 2 to 4 weeks is my recommendation.

An interesting suggestion. Why not exceed, specifically? I am not opposed to that constraint, either- but I am curious as to why, as normally we'd take the opposite reading if we hand out a ban, that it should be higher if prior bans are not really impactful or learned from.

 

[Damage3245]

An interesting suggestion. Why not exceed, specifically? I am not opposed to that constraint, either- but I am curious as to why, as normally we'd take the opposite reading if we hand out a ban, that it should be higher if prior bans are not really impactful or learned from.

I may be wrong on this but I don't this current report is related in any way to the offenses that Fujiwara previously had, so it's not a case of Fujiwara repeating mistakes or breaking the same rules, but causing a new rule violation.

So to me it seems that the punishment shouldn't be less than what they've gone through previously, but it shouldn't automatically be doubled up to 2 months either as this offense isn't as great as that punishment would suggest.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Fair enough. I think I would disagree with the idea that they are not related to the same rules- both this and the last ban relate to intentional drama-stirring.

I am ambivalent towards a ban. One recognizes the need for eventual action when someone has misbehaved on such a scale with the deliberate intention of misbehaving. On the other hand, one tries to offer leniency in situations where a high stress situation leads to lashing out. But that can only be sustained for so long, leading back around to the first point.

I think you're justified, basically, but can't support it myself.

 

[Theglassman12]

If Fuji is gonna be banned, it has to be longer than a month given she came back from a month long ban like 2 weeks ago and is still trying to start shit on the site like she did last time. Even if this was somehow a "new violation" the fact remains is that she hasn't learned her lesson to straighten up her behavior and still commits actions that leads to folks reporting her in this thread over and over again. It also doesn't help that her attitude in this entire report has her acting condescending towards staff members after the initial warning.

Whether the ban is 2 months or 4 months is whatever for me, but the idea that the constant reports doesn't result in an increase to her ban would fly in the face to the whole point of constantly punishing members who don't learn anything from their bans.

 

[Antvasima]

The issue here is that Fujiwara's mind seems to have broken from a long series of extreme traumas and very bad medication, so she likely needs a place where she feels safe and protected. I am worried about what will happen to her if we take her possibly only safe haven away from her.

That said, this is not the only time she has went extremely beyond the boundaries of what is allowed in our community when unwisely lashing out in her pain, including a serious private incident yesterday, so we are currently evaluating what to do here.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I think it is worth noting that we usually go straight to a permanent ban for an image that is downright X-rated; just like we did to LordWhis. Especially if their motive was out of pure spite; which it is safe to say that it exactly what is going on here given the temper tantrums she had over AKM's PG-13 at worst level images and the fact that Styrm is back despite the lengthy PM and AKM + DarkGrath's analysis that the punishment was too harsh. Likewise, there is yet another staff only discussion about Fujiwura's behavior though not sure if I am supposed to get to specific. But she has long story short has gotten away with far too many final warnings and only as of late been acting far worse than she's ever been.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Antvasima You and I both know that doesn't excuse her actions. The exact same thing was said about Weekly's behaviors because he isn't mentally well and that he acts like he needs to be on the site, and that didn't change the fact that his reports got severe enough that he is banned for 2 years on this site. If Fuji needs to go to a place to feel safe and protected, this site is far from the best option, especially when she's made it clear that she has some hatred towards some of the users here for their transphobic comments so her mental state would not fare better here. There are so many other places out there that exists to help folks with trauma and bad medication, an internet forum where debates and discussions often can be derailed to people being at each other's throats is not one of them.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Our administrators and bureaucrats are currently discussing the issue.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

The matter is being worked through. It is not delayed due to AKM's inactivity, he has spoken with others on the matter. It's being handled via HR, as was previously stated, and is inappropriate to bring up in the RVRT, which is the wrong jurisdiction for such talk.

 

[Antvasima]

AKM is mostly focusing on helping out with technical tasks behind the scenes, that I am bad at handling, and as such is crucial for our community to function properly.

He has also stated in a reasonable manner that he will remove his image if we make our wiki's rules stricter than those of Fandom itself in that area, as currently he is not breaking any rules.

DarkGrath is currently preparing a staff only discussion thread for us to discuss if and how we should make our rules stricter in that regard.

This is definitely not an invitation to further discussion here though.

 

[Agnaa]

After acquainting myself a bit more, Fuji's recent issues seem extraordinarily similar to those behind her most recent ban. To Fuji, if you're probing for inconsistencies like that, it's better done by messaging staff privately (on-site or off-site) and asking them. Hell, if it was off-site you'd be obviously in the clear for sending example images you wanna ask about (on-site I think it'd be more ambiguous, even if you asked for permission first).

It's hard for me to exactly judge, since I wasn't online for that infringing banner, but based on later descriptions, and the recent ban, I'd want a ban a bit longer than her last,

EDIT: btw, the "piece of shit" comment does also weigh into this, since she has been warned for similar behaviour before; insults due to righteous anger.