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[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

As someone who uses almost just MS Paint for calcs, I think that's mainly just the fact that the user didn't know about these values being how far the line stretches across the ordinate and abscissa, with the real lenght being got through the Pythagorean Theorem.

Thus, if the line is "100 x 56", then the true lenght is sqrt((100^2) + (56^2)) or around 114.61 px.

damn call me crazy but i don't think it's been two months. go back to hell for another two weeks.

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DarkGrath: For how long do you think that we should ban Strym and Fujiwara respectively? I would advocate for lenient bans for both. I would prefer to have this be short-term see if the issues brought up here will improve after that time, in place of a harsher punishment we might normally...

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[Antvasima]

I think that there was a private staff discussion in which it was decided to slightly reduce Strym's ban time.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I think that there was a private staff discussion in which it was decided to slightly reduce Strym's ban time.

1. On what basis?
2. So I should get two weeks shaved off my ban retroactively, right? Since it would obviously come off as biased if two people were banned for similar reasons but only one got a special pass from staff that lets them ignore the last two weeks of their ban.

 

[Antvasima]

Bambu might remember it better.

 

[StrymULTRA]

damn call me crazy but i don't think it's been two months. go back to hell for another two weeks.

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DarkGrath: For how long do you think that we should ban Strym and Fujiwara respectively? I would advocate for lenient bans for both. I would prefer to have this be short-term see if the issues brought up here will improve after that time, in place of a harsher punishment we might normally...

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Nah. I've simply made an appeal to @DarkGrath with additional evidence, and it was discussed in the private report. That's all.

 

[Damage3245]

I think that there was a private staff discussion in which it was decided to slightly reduce Strym's ban time.

Seems to be the case from what I can tell.

StrymULTRA was originally blocked on the 12th of June for 61 days by Mr. Bambu.

The block was then changed on the 16th of July to expire on the 29th of July by Mr. Bambu.

And StyrmULTRA has clarified that they made an appeal just above.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Nah. I've simply made an appeal to @DarkGrath with additional evidence, and it was discussed in the private report. That's all.

Seems to be the case from what I can tell.

StrymULTRA was originally blocked on the 12th of June for 61 days by Mr. Bambu.

The block was then changed on the 16th of July to expire on the 29th of July by Mr. Bambu.

And StyrmULTRA has clarified that they made an appeal just above.

And on what basis was that appeal made? Because right now, all that's been suggested is that Strym asked really nicely to be unbanned and yall said okay, which is concerning to say the least.

 

[DarkGrath]

Nah. I've simply made an appeal to @DarkGrath with additional evidence, and it was discussed in the private report. That's all.

This is correct. I will note, given it could be misunderstood, that the reduction of two weeks was not on my verdict; rather, I received the appeal and processed it through a private report, and the verdict was decided upon by a few other staff members with minimal input from myself.

And on what basis was that appeal made? Because right now, all that's been suggested is that Strym asked really nicely to be unbanned and yall said okay, which is concerning to say the least.

I would not describe the appeal as "he asked nicely to be unbanned and we said okay", and I don't know why you would make such an assertion without having known the contents of the appeal.

In the interest of protecting the privacy of Strym and the staff members involved, I'll not use the particular scans or quotes used in the private report. I will say, however, that arguably the most notable reason the involved staff members agreed to a lesser ban was because it was decided the Atorimachi situation brought up in the original report could be wholly discounted.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I would not describe the appeal as "he asked nicely to be unbanned and we said okay", and I don't know why you would make such an assertion without having known the contents of the appeal.

I don't know the contents of the appeal, which is exactly why I'm saying that. We have no idea what this "evidence" looks like or how it could excuse blatant transphobia (what evidence could excuse someone saying "I hate trans people"?), so from the perspective of everyone not directly involved in the report, it does appear as though Strym just asked to be unbanned and was let off the hook.

In the interest of protecting the privacy of Strym and the staff members involved, I'll not use the particular scans or quotes used in the private report. I will say, however, that arguably the most notable reason the involved staff members agreed to a lesser ban was because it was decided the Atorimachi situation brought up in the original report could be wholly discounted.

That issue was disregarded in the initial report, Grath. It was known even at the time that Artorimachi held no ill will against Strym. The two month ban did not take the Artorimachi situation into account, so what other reasons were given for a reduced ban?

 

[StrymULTRA]

For the sake of my privacy I'll also keep minimal information here, so...

The reasons behind 2 months were also the Arto stuff (which was said from @Antvasima when the ban happened), and mostly the fact my previous ban was that long due to my previous one, which is the Dread case which has 0 relevance here.

Not to mention that we didn't remotely interact on-site from the past 6 months, you were on the other hand very eager to interact with me, which kinda makes the point of "causing distress on-site" a bit mood, given I've given you the distances you wanted to, but you on the other hand are keeping to want this seemingly obsessive witch hunt because...? So yeah, the case has already been resolved.

 

[Antvasima]

Should I make you two automatically ignore each other's posts to help facilitate your respective peace of minds?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Not to mention that we didn't remotely interact on-site from the past 6 months, you were on the other hand very eager to interact with me, which kinda makes the point of "causing distress on-site" a bit mood, given I've given you the distances you wanted to, but you on the other hand are keeping to want this seemingly obsessive witch hunt because...? So yeah, the case has already been resolved.

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No, I wasn't. I think I commented on one (1) CRT you were in (this one, if you needed a reminder) but aside from that I deliberately went out of my way to not speak to you on here. I'm doing this because I think it's absurd that you can just ask for a get out of jail free card whenever you want and staff will acquiesce. God knows I wouldn't have gotten that sort of leniency had I requested it.

The reasons behind 2 months were also the Arto stuff (which was said from @Antvasima when the ban happened), and mostly the fact my previous ban was that long due to my previous one, which is the Dread case which has 0 relevance here.

It was not. There were multiple posts before the length of the ban was determined that confirmed Arto had long since dropped the issue. Two months was decided upon after people had decided to let it go.

Should I make you two automatically ignore each other's posts to help facilitate your respective peace of minds?

Actually I'd prefer to not be on the same site as someone who explicitly hates my very existence, thank you. I get substantially more peace of mind from knowing I'm not sharing a community with a transphobic piece of shit, as I'm sure you would also feel peace of mind if you existed within a community that did not actively despise you for a fundamental part of your being.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Should I make you two automatically ignore each other's posts to help facilitate your respective peace of minds?

As I said like for the n-th time, I genuinely didn't interact with Fujiwara since, so it's not like I mind her even if I am not blocked.

She on the other hand is the one who keeps attacking and rampaging on me lol. It's not like I've doxxed her or have done anything so bad to the point of deserving this constant harassment lmao.

Actually I'd prefer to not be on the same site as someone who explicitly hates my very existence

...what. Are you hearing yourself?

 

[Antvasima]

Fujiwara, please try to calm down, and Strym, do not provoke her by adding "lol", "lmao", et cetera, comments.

However, I am not good at handling social drama. It is probably best if we wait for more socially competent staff members to help out here.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Fujiwara, please try to calm down, and Strym, do not provoke her by adding "lol", "lmao", et cetera, comments.

Force of habit, I didn't plan to provoke anyone. It's just how I talk with anything online.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

She on the other hand is the one who keeps attacking and rampaging on me lol. It's not like I've doxxed her or have done anything so bad to the point of deserving this constant harassment lmao.

...what. Are you hearing yourself?

You hate transgender people. You've said it yourself, multiple times, in very explicit fashion.

I am transgender.

I think you're a bigot, but I don't think you're an idiot, so I assume you can see the connection between these two things and how they might be used to conclude that you hate my existence. Calling this "harassment" is also absurd. You are a bigot facing very slight consequences for your actions, and you're acting like the world is collapsing around you. Grow up.

Fujiwara, please try to calm down, and Strym, do not provoke her by adding "lol", "lmao", et cetera comments.

However, I am not good at handling social drama. It is probably best if we wait for more socially competent staff members to help out here.

This isn't "social drama", Ant. Do you, as a bureaucrat, want to facilitate a community where minorities are forced to share a space with people who hate said minority? That's all this boils down to. I would think the answer is obvious.

 

[Antvasima]

No, I definitely do not. Please check my 8values ideology test result in my wiki user page. However, from what little I recall of this situation, it is considerably more complicated than that, and happened outside of our community in combination.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

No, I definitely do not. Please check my 8values ideology test result in my wiki user page.

What an ideology test says about your values means nothing if you refuse to act on those values, Ant.

However, from what little I recall of this situation, it is considerably more complicated than that, and happened outside of our community in combination.

It's really not that complicated. Strym said things that are unambiguously transphobic. His only defense was that it was a joke. That's all there is. The only reason it was ever "complicated" was because of it happening off-site, but the actual issue of Strym being a bigot is pretty straightforward. I don't think anybody would let the "it was just a joke" defense slide if it were any other form of bigotry.

 

[StrymULTRA]

You hate transgender people. You've said it yourself, multiple times, in very explicit fashion.

In places where racism and zoophilia were also spammed in a similar way. It's the same server from where @DaMonkeMan and @Twisted_Little_Raven were banned for. IN FACT, the former even remembered those and instantly recognized they were all jokes.

I think you're a bigot, but I don't think you're an idiot, so I assume you can see the connection between these two things and how they might be used to conclude that you hate my existence.

I think you're genuinely overthinking and making this a mountain out of a mole hill. I had 0 idea that Curry was trans, and I remember making that comment as an exaggeration about Charmander making fake personas to get unnoticed.

I have never took an action against Transgender people, I have never antagonized them once for the sole reason of their identity. Heck, I did even ask directly to @DarkGrath given she's a HR member, and also a transgender at the same time.

I didn't even said psychopathic comments like me declaring me supporting genocide/murder towards transgenders, I only acted dumb and played a bigoted character which harmed basically no one. I can understand why you say this, given that people here hate you for other reasons, and then decide to add bigoted stuff as spice, and discriminate you for this too, but that never happened with me.

You're simply refusing to see the bigger picture, and are now trying to take me down at all costs instead of trying to listen and hear my version of the story. Stop understanding what you want to understand and open your mind a bit, I know what it means being disciminated for literal bs irl, so it's also insensitive to assume I am completely heartless on this.

 

[Damage3245]

I think that this conversation is starting to ger inappropriate for this thread if there's no new report being made here.

Questions were asked concerning another user's ban sentence; those questions have been answered.

Any further arguing is not useful here.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Questions were asked concerning another user's ban sentence; those questions have been answered.

And the answers were unsatisfactory. The given reason was that the situation with Artorimachi was deemed a non-issue, but the problem is that it wasn't factored into the two month ban. The issue was resolved before the ban length was determined, so as it stands the only given reason for Strym's ban reduction is totally invalid.

Also, I've noticed the original report has been deleted. What's that about?

 

[StrymULTRA]

I hope you realize that these were literally happening at November when I simply decided to go dumb.

Plus you can't tell the 1st was me making a play around the "phobia" word lol?

Also, I've noticed the original report has been deleted. What's that about?

Posts with screenshots are deleted for privacy reasons. It happened also with the Raven/Monke situation. In fact, that should've been handled in the private report to begin with.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I hope you realize that these were literally happening at November when I simply decided to go dumb.

"I just happened to have an entire month where I devolved into bigoted comments for no reason, I'm not actually bigoted" How fucking stupid do you think I am, Strym.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The fact that you can't even go "yeah that was wrong, I shouldn't have said all that even if it was a joke" shows that you didn't grow, you have no desire to be better, you're just a bitter piece of shit who will stubbornly cling to bigoted ideals because the only defense you can give them was "well it's not as bad as literal genocide". Don't

About this, to be frank, I did plan to ask an apology in DMs back then, but I simply didn't have time.

You instead instantly took the gun, refusing to listen, which is sad. I shouldn't have misgendered you back then, that was a rat move I still regret, but I wanted to make a detailed apology in private as I don't want this to be public anymore.

 

[StrymULTRA]

"I just happened to have an entire month where I devolved into bigoted comments for no reason, I'm not actually bigoted" How fucking stupid do you think I am, Strym.

Correction: a single day over 7 months ago*

Come on now. I want this to get over as I don't want to be misunderstood over some shit like this. I never wanted bad water between us, it all happened from you.

I think that this conversation is starting to ger inappropriate for this thread if there's no new report being made here.

Questions were asked concerning another user's ban sentence; those questions have been answered.

Any further arguing is not useful here.

Mind if we discuss in private about this issue? I don't feel comfortable with it being public.

 

[Robo432343]

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[Dragonite007]

reporting @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara for the NSFW on her banner

What? There's nothing NSFW in her banner

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

About this, to be frank, I did plan to ask an apology in DMs back then, but I simply didn't have time.

You instead instantly took the gun, refusing to listen, which is sad. I shouldn't have misgendered you back then, that was a rat move I still regret, but I wanted to make a detailed apology in private as I don't want this to be public anymore.

"Didn't have time" there were months of downtime between your comments towards me and the report, Strym. This was even noted in the original report. Again, how stupid do you think I am?

Correction: a single day over 7 months ago*

Come on now. I want this to get over as I don't want to be misunderstood over some shit like this. I never wanted bad water between us, it all happened from you.

Strym I have been alive for almost 23 god-forsaken years and yet I have never in my life just woken up and decided "I'm gonna be transphobic today!". That doesn't happen. People don't just arbitrarily decide to toss out their values and become super racist for one day and then go back to normal.

"Never wanted bad water between us" I don't doubt that. Hell, I was on good terms with Shmooply for a while before I knew about his transphobia. But wanting to be friends with someone means nothing if you do not fundamentally respect who they are as a person. I wouldn't have black friends if I hated black people, because no matter how much I want to be friends with them, that's not gonna change their discomfort with being around a racist.

Your actions have consequences, and the only "consequence" you're facing right now is that you don't get to be all buddy-buddy with the people you hate. Womp womp.

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Was wondering when somebody would notice, I changed it back when the AKM drama was ongoing

 

[DarkGrath]

@Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara I would like to level with you about this. The fact of the matter is that you feel you have been wronged by Strym, and you feel that the response to the situation was an injustice against you and other transgender people. I don't think everything you have stated is correct, but I'm not here to lecture you on that - the point is that you clearly believe it, and I couldn't, in any good conscience, tell you not to act on this if you believe it is true.

But I will ask you not to bring it here. I'll put it plainly; continuing to argue about it here will change nothing. If your goal here is to change the treatment regarding LGBT matters and people on the site, then this won't do it, and certainly not for the best.

I won't advocate personally on the reasons behind the appeal that I neither provided nor agreed to, but with their permission, I would be willing to get you in contact in PMs with one of the staff members who was highly involved in the appeal to talk over the matter privately.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

But I will ask you not to bring it here. I'll put it plainly; continuing to argue about it here will change nothing. If your goal here is to change the treatment regarding LGBT matters and people on the site, then this won't do it, and certainly not for the best.

Then what will do it, Grath? Because god knows our revisions on off-site matters didn't do shit, we're not likely to revise them again, and as it stands, nothing is being done about transphobes running rampant on this site. I have a feeling the answer is "nothing", but I'll hold out a tiny bit of hope that you can see there is a very fucking obvious problem that needs fixing.

I won't advocate personally on the reasons behind the appeal that I neither provided nor agreed to, but with their permission, I would be willing to get you in contact in PMs with one of the staff members who was highly involved in the appeal to talk over the matter privately.

This would be fine, yes.

 

[StrymULTRA]

"Didn't have time" there were months of downtime between your comments towards me and the report, Strym. This was even noted in the original report. Again, how stupid do you think I am?

Mostly because I simply didn't think you'd even bother listening, so I just took the distances, in order to respect you. I've talked with @Mr. Bambu about this and he told me I was indeed being super dumb about it, and yes, I should have.

Strym I have been alive for almost 23 god-forsaken years and yet I have never in my life just woken up and decided "I'm gonna be transphobic today!". That doesn't happen. People don't just arbitrarily decide to toss out their values and become super racist for one day and then go back to normal.

You clearly don't know me, then. I don't know you, but in my parts is kinda the norm in becoming super racist and then instantly dismiss it. It's called acting, ya know.

But about that, aye, better to discuss in DMs.

 

[Antvasima]

What an ideology test says about your values means nothing if you refuse to act on those values, Ant.

One of my listed values says that I am also quite antitotalitarian, so I do not like to punish others for disagreeing with me, and I think that you seem to be greatly exaggerating the degree of Strym's actual bigotry, which also happened off-site.

 

[Arkenis]

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Sorry, but Yuta's page has four changes made by Segaboi and there hasn't been a crt that I can find that accepted these changes. The changes aren't really wrong, they just weren't accepted. The person likely just didn't know they need to do crts first.

 

[CurrySenpai]

You clearly don't know me, then. I don't know you, but in my parts is kinda the norm in becoming super racist and then instantly dismiss it. It's called acting, ya know.

But about that, aye, better to discuss in DMs.

As someone who was also personally targeted by your words the fact of the matter is you aren’t acting, you’re not doing an “hahah le epic joke!” you say these things then use humor and “peer pressure” as a shield for what is unwarranted bigotry.

In no universe is saying “I’m a trans hater.” Or “trans people aren’t real” okay. And please, if it is a joke, where’s the punch line? Where’s the build up, was I supposed to laugh at you regurgitating harmful rhetoric that simply makes others feel unwelcome in your presence?

We’ve been over this enough times, but people need to understand there is a difference between an actual joke, whether it be satire or dark humor, and just saying something but hiding it under the guise of a joke MUCH later.

The worst part is you never change, you are dead set on defending your actions rather than reflecting and acknowledging what you said was wrong. You’re sad you got caught not sad you said what you said. And now that you’re in the hot seat you’re flailing around like a fish on a wire who got caught by the bait.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Sorry, but Yuta's page has four changes made by Segaboi and there hasn't been a crt that I can find that accepted these changes. The changes aren't really wrong, they just weren't accepted. The person likely just didn't know they need to do crts first.

This may be suited for the Wiki Violations Thread (I'd link it but I need to find it then I'll edit my post) honestly

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

One of my listed values says that I am also quite antitotalitarian, so I do not like to punish others for disagreeing with me, and I think that you seem to be greatly exaggerating the degree of Strym's actual bigotry, which also happened off-site.

Whether they disagree with you is not the problem, Ant. It's not about you. It's about if you think transgender members of this site should be forced to deal with transphobic members or not. I know of at least one person considering leaving the site because nothing is being done about the transphobia problem this site has. Your current stance of wanting everybody to get along and deal with each other is neither realistic nor sustainable; Between trans people and transphobes, one of them has to go, and that decision's got nothing to do with whether or not people disagree with you.

As for the "exaggeration" bit, well, I think Curry summed that up pretty well. When people say who they are, listen.

Sorry, but Yuta's page has four changes made by Segaboi and there hasn't been a crt that I can find that accepted these changes. The changes aren't really wrong, they just weren't accepted. The person likely just didn't know they need to do crts first.

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[StrymULTRA]

The worst part is you never change, you are dead set on defending your actions rather than reflecting and acknowledging what you said was wrong. You’re sad you got caught not sad you said what you said. And now that you’re in the hot seat you’re flailing around like a fish on a wire who got caught by the bait.

About this, I've initially planned to post an apology in the Pet Peeves, given that everyone knew about it there, but I don't know where now...

It's ok if I do it here at least? Because I don't want bonds to be ruined over something like this, a mistake I indeed have done, but all I askng to y'all is to calm tf down.

Either that or a DM place so that we end it peacefully.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it is true that I am a "can't everybody get along and be nice to each other... or at least except for the genuinely irredeemably evil psychopaths" kind of person, but from what (little) I recall, much of the issue here seems to be that there hasn't actually been expressed transphobia within our community, or even directed directly at transgender people offsite, in this case. Rather, it was expressed offsite and in private, and lots of apologies were offered afterwards.

However, Bambu, DarkGrath, Agnaa, and our HR group are usually considerably better than I am at evaluating complicated social drama situations, so it is better if they evaluate this issue further if necessary.

 

[Antvasima]

About this, I've initially planned to post an apology in the Pet Peeves, given that everyone knew about it there, but I don't know where now...

It's ok if I do it here at least? Because I don't want bonds to be ruined over something like this, a mistake I indeed have done, but all I askng to y'all is to calm tf down.

Either that or a DM place so that we end it peacefully.

Would another elaborate apology help to mitigate the hurt feelings here?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It is a rule violation to unnecessarily clog this thread. If people have issues, they shouldn't be handled here.

Fujiwara, I'm happy to speak with you privately on this matter, since I've been named a couple times now as someone to speak to on it. But it isn't for here. I expect that to be about the end of it, on this thread.