And on what basis was that appeal made? Because right now, all that's been suggested is that Strym asked really nicely to be unbanned and yall said okay, which is concerning to say the least.
This is correct. I will note, given it could be misunderstood, that the reduction of two weeks was not on my verdict; rather, I received the appeal and processed it through a private report, and the verdict was decided upon by a few other staff members with minimal input from myself.
I would not describe the appeal as "he asked nicely to be unbanned and we said okay", and I don't know why you would make such an assertion without having known the contents of the appeal.
I don't know the contents of the appeal, which is exactly why I'm saying that. We have no idea what this "evidence" looks like or how it could excuse blatant transphobia (what evidence could excuse someone saying "I hate trans people"?), so from the perspective of everyone not directly involved in the report, it does appear as though Strym just asked to be unbanned and was let off the hook.
That issue was disregarded in the initial report, Grath. It was known even at the time that Artorimachi held no ill will against Strym. The two month ban did not take the Artorimachi situation into account, so what other reasons were given for a reduced ban?
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It was not. There were multiple posts before the length of the ban was determined that confirmed Arto had long since dropped the issue. Two months was decided upon after people had decided to let it go.
Actually I'd prefer to not be on the same site as someone who explicitly hates my very existence, thank you. I get substantially more peace of mind from knowing I'm not sharing a community with a transphobic piece of shit, as I'm sure you would also feel peace of mind if you existed within a community that did not actively despise you for a fundamental part of your being.Should I make you two automatically ignore each other's posts to help facilitate your respective peace of minds?
As I said like for the n-th time, I genuinely didn't interact with Fujiwara since, so it's not like I mind her even if I am not blocked.Should I make you two automatically ignore each other's posts to help facilitate your respective peace of minds?
...what. Are you hearing yourself?
Force of habit, I didn't plan to provoke anyone. It's just how I talk with anything online.Fujiwara, please try to calm down, and Strym, do not provoke her by adding "lol", "lmao", et cetera, comments.
You hate transgender people. You've said it yourself, multiple times, in very explicit fashion.
This isn't "social drama", Ant. Do you, as a bureaucrat, want to facilitate a community where minorities are forced to share a space with people who hate said minority? That's all this boils down to. I would think the answer is obvious.Fujiwara, please try to calm down, and Strym, do not provoke her by adding "lol", "lmao", et cetera comments.
However, I am not good at handling social drama. It is probably best if we wait for more socially competent staff members to help out here.
What an ideology test says about your values means nothing if you refuse to act on those values, Ant.
It's really not that complicated. Strym said things that are unambiguously transphobic. His only defense was that it was a joke. That's all there is. The only reason it was ever "complicated" was because of it happening off-site, but the actual issue of Strym being a bigot is pretty straightforward. I don't think anybody would let the "it was just a joke" defense slide if it were any other form of bigotry.
In places where racism and zoophilia were also spammed in a similar way. It's the same server from where @DaMonkeMan and @Twisted_Little_Raven were banned for. IN FACT, the former even remembered those and instantly recognized they were all jokes.
I think you're genuinely overthinking and making this a mountain out of a mole hill. I had 0 idea that Curry was trans, and I remember making that comment as an exaggeration about Charmander making fake personas to get unnoticed.
And the answers were unsatisfactory. The given reason was that the situation with Artorimachi was deemed a non-issue, but the problem is that it wasn't factored into the two month ban. The issue was resolved before the ban length was determined, so as it stands the only given reason for Strym's ban reduction is totally invalid.
Posts with screenshots are deleted for privacy reasons. It happened also with the Raven/Monke situation. In fact, that should've been handled in the private report to begin with.Also, I've noticed the original report has been deleted. What's that about?
"I just happened to have an entire month where I devolved into bigoted comments for no reason, I'm not actually bigoted" How fucking stupid do you think I am, Strym.
About this, to be frank, I did plan to ask an apology in DMs back then, but I simply didn't have time.
Correction: a single day over 7 months ago*
Mind if we discuss in private about this issue? I don't feel comfortable with it being public.
What? There's nothing NSFW in her banner
"Didn't have time" there were months of downtime between your comments towards me and the report, Strym. This was even noted in the original report. Again, how stupid do you think I am?
Strym I have been alive for almost 23 god-forsaken years and yet I have never in my life just woken up and decided "I'm gonna be transphobic today!". That doesn't happen. People don't just arbitrarily decide to toss out their values and become super racist for one day and then go back to normal.
Was wondering when somebody would notice, I changed it back when the AKM drama was ongoing
Then what will do it, Grath? Because god knows our revisions on off-site matters didn't do shit, we're not likely to revise them again, and as it stands, nothing is being done about transphobes running rampant on this site. I have a feeling the answer is "nothing", but I'll hold out a tiny bit of hope that you can see there is a very fucking obvious problem that needs fixing.
This would be fine, yes.
Mostly because I simply didn't think you'd even bother listening, so I just took the distances, in order to respect you. I've talked with @Mr. Bambu about this and he told me I was indeed being super dumb about it, and yes, I should have.
You clearly don't know me, then. I don't know you, but in my parts is kinda the norm in becoming super racist and then instantly dismiss it. It's called acting, ya know.
One of my listed values says that I am also quite antitotalitarian, so I do not like to punish others for disagreeing with me, and I think that you seem to be greatly exaggerating the degree of Strym's actual bigotry, which also happened off-site.
As someone who was also personally targeted by your words the fact of the matter is you aren’t acting, you’re not doing an “hahah le epic joke!” you say these things then use humor and “peer pressure” as a shield for what is unwarranted bigotry.
This may be suited for the Wiki Violations Thread (I'd link it but I need to find it then I'll edit my post) honestly
Whether they disagree with you is not the problem, Ant. It's not about you. It's about if you think transgender members of this site should be forced to deal with transphobic members or not. I know of at least one person considering leaving the site because nothing is being done about the transphobia problem this site has. Your current stance of wanting everybody to get along and deal with each other is neither realistic nor sustainable; Between trans people and transphobes, one of them has to go, and that decision's got nothing to do with whether or not people disagree with you.
About this, I've initially planned to post an apology in the Pet Peeves, given that everyone knew about it there, but I don't know where now...
Would another elaborate apology help to mitigate the hurt feelings here?
Ye. I'll try something in DMs.Would another elaborate apology help to mitigate the hurt feelings here?
I haven't got any complaints about the pixel scaling for my accepted calculations as far as I remember, so I think they should be... fine at least?
Though maybe I can do this instead of changing the app I'm used to do pixel scaling with.
Perhaps not, but evidently you haven't known how to do it all this time. Mistakes happen, so it needs looking into.
