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The Demonic Energy used in the danmaku comes from Leaf Girl, right? If that’s the case Cinner’s Ki should burn it like it has other weaker Ki.I don't get it.
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The Demonic Energy used in the danmaku comes from Leaf Girl, right? If that’s the case Cinner’s Ki should burn it like it has other weaker Ki.I don't get it.
Basically can cinner deactivate Leaf's Demon energyI don't get it.
How come it coming from leaf girl would be the deciding factor? What would the case be then for it to NOT count? Like an outside power source or something?The Demonic Energy used in the danmaku comes from Leaf Girl, right? If that’s the case Cinner’s Ki should burn it like it has other weaker Ki.
Yeah like the energy coming from a gun or something rather than Leaf Girl herself. If it’s not coming from her physically, it doesn’t count. Ki is energy everyone has inside their bodies naturally.How come it coming from leaf girl would be the deciding factor? What would the case be then for it to NOT count? Like an outside power source or something?
I seeYeah like the energy coming from a gun or something rather than Leaf Girl herself. If it’s not coming from her physically, it doesn’t count. Ki is energy everyone has inside their bodies naturally.
Yes, it is something that comes from her directly, but it shouldn't function the same as Ki.Yeah like the energy coming from a gun or something rather than Leaf Girl herself. If it’s not coming from her physically, it doesn’t count. Ki is energy everyone has inside their bodies naturally.
It’s the same principle so it might apply. Cinner’s stuff works specifically on Ki but that’s because there’s nothing else like it in verse.Yes, it is something that comes from her directly, but it shouldn't function the same as Ki.
Right that’s the thing Ray mentioned and why Haruka’s Nullify could work on Ki since it’s similar enough to Bakuhatsu magic.Wouldn’t this be affected by verse equalization?
Oh, then Cinner could probably null Leaf Girl's DE then.I think it would apply, lowering Leaf Girl’s chances of amping herself with Cinner’s life force. Devil’s Claw on top of that could still land though and the telekinesis will be the main issue here.
Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.
Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses. It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.
Equalization works highly on a case-by-case basis, so many relevant cases should be discussed in the versus thread itself.
It can get out of hand. Like Asta stands no chance against Natsu.Idk why but I just start getting a lil' angry whenever someone mentions Power null
As long as his Ki is active for a while and can overpower the attacks yeah. It got High-Flyer in two goes, one with Cinner unintentionally letting his aura flare up diminishing the Slowing Field a little and the second where he actively tried to burn through the field and succeeded. It’s not like it immediately worked on High-Flyer because of how strong he was, but with Cinner’s advantage in AP here, it should be more effective. For clarification just in case, the reason he couldn’t do this on Risner was them being even more comparable than High-Flyer and his own water Ki countering with elemental matchup and energy sapping.Would cinner be able to use it consistently tho? There's a lot of vagueness in its description so i'm having a hard time gauging if that'd be a big factor or not lol. Although if he could, i don't think High-Flyer would have given him a run for his money, would he?
I see. Only problem i see with that would be that if cinner misses his shot at burning leaf girl with the heat aura, or has no other option to defend from repeated danmaku other than flexing that power, leaf girl will know what it is and might strategise around it, and there's also the fact that cinner still couldn't just play defensive forever, but it does seem useful here nonetheless. I don't think it'll work on the TK cause of the immense LS difference, though. (Assuming that cinner does his power null with the heat aura according to the description, that is)As long as his Ki is active for a while and can overpower the attacks yeah. It got High-Flyer in two goes, one with Cinner unintentionally letting his aura flare up and the second where he actively tried to burn through his Ki field and succeeded. It’s not like it immediately worked on High-Flyer because of how strong he was, but with Cinner’s advantage in AP here, it should be more effective.
Yeah I wasn’t really betting on it beating telekinesis since you can’t interact with it anyway physically. I’m hard pressed to say what’s better odds between Cinner getting in and Leaf Girl keeping him away long enough to deal significant damage with her Demonic Attacks. There’s also her barriers which could hold off the aura at least for a bit with how many there are. And both can go for days so outlasting is iffy.I see. Only problem i see with that would be that if cinner misses his shot at burning leaf girl with the heat aura, or has no other option to defend from repeated danmaku other than flexing that power, leaf girl will know what it is and might strategise around it, and there's also the fact that cinner still couldn't just play defensive forever, but it does seem useful here nonetheless. I don't think it'll work on the TK cause of the immense LS difference, though. (Assuming that cinner does his power null with the heat aura according to the description, that is)
What is a baabIt's such a baab for Cinner
Only me and Leo knowWhat is a baab
TELL ME IN MESSAGES THEN, BOYOnly me and Leo know
TELL ME IN MESSAGES THEN, BOY
I do think Cinner can get endurance just due to having listed feats for his pain tolerance. Also not sure if Leaf Girl can really poke at any of his weaknesses since there’s no water and Lifeline seems to not be in much serious danger.Well, to help people decide, maybe i'll do another point system again, just for the sake of it, Once again, not a game decider tho
For each advantage one of them has, they will get 1 point. If they are both considered equal, then both will get a point.
AP: Cinner (About a 2-3x edge if i remember correctly)
Speed: Both (Speed is equalised)
Durability: Cinner (Scaling to AP)
LS: Leaf Girl (Class T > Class G)
IQ: Leaf Girl (More feats + Experience)
Battle IQ: Both, Although possibly cinner (Tiny bit Debatable. Aside from ratings, Leaf girl is much more strategical, whilst cinner is more deductive and analytical. The latter has more feats, however)
Experience: Leaf Girl (Both have been described as being trained since their youth, but leaf girl is older than cinner.)
Agility: Cinner (Better acrobatics feats)
Abilities: Both
Hax: Leaf Girl (Both have good hax, but leaf girl has more that will be helpful in terms of quantity, such as TK, impenetrable forcefields, and better healing)
Offense: Leaf Girl (More opportunities to go on the attack)
Defense: Cinner (Power null and heat aura can help defend for a while)
Stamina: Both (Both can fight for days on end)
Endurance: Both (Debatable)
Skill: Both (Leaf girl is extremely experienced, while cinner has more feats)
Range: Leaf girl (Kilometers >>> Tens of meters)
Prediction: Both (Both specialise in predicting things under a disadvantage of some sort in battle)
Less Weaknesses: Leaf Girl (None of leaf girls' weaknesses can be exploited under these conditions)
Leaf Girl: 15
Cinner: 12
And Cinner doesn’t know about Leaf Man or Stick teddy so uhh I say it's a draw thereI do think Cinner can get endurance just due to having listed feats for his pain tolerance. Also not sure if Leaf Girl can really poke at any of his weaknesses since there’s no water and Lifeline seems to not be in much serious danger.
Exactly so it’s like 15-14And Cinner doesn’t know about Leaf Man or Stick teddy so uhh I say it's a draw there
It's so CLOSE!Exactly so it’s like 15-14
Both would be friends tbhUnyielding Force and Unbreakable Defense meet
Well, Leaf girl is comparable to leaf man, who is compared to stickman hero, who could fight for an hour even while he was "Greatly wounded" which indicates some good pain tolerance, so i'll probably put it under debatable stillI do think Cinner can get endurance just due to having listed feats for his pain tolerance.
FairAlso not sure if Leaf Girl can really poke at any of his weaknesses since there’s no water and Lifeline seems to not be in much serious danger.
Well, to help people decide, maybe i'll do another point system again, just for the sake of it, Once again, not a game decider tho
For each advantage one of them has, they will get 1 point. If they are both considered equal, then both will get a point.
AP: Cinner (About a 2-3x edge if i remember correctly)
Speed: Both (Speed is equalised)
Durability: Cinner (Scaling to AP)
LS: Leaf Girl (Class T > Class G)
IQ: Leaf Girl (More feats + Experience)
Battle IQ: Both, Although possibly cinner (Tiny bit Debatable. Aside from ratings, Leaf girl is much more strategical, whilst cinner is more deductive and analytical. The latter has more feats, however)
Experience: Leaf Girl (Both have been described as being trained since their youth, but leaf girl is older than cinner.)
Agility: Cinner (Better acrobatics feats)
Abilities: Both
Hax: Leaf Girl (Both have good hax, but leaf girl has more that will be helpful in terms of quantity, such as TK, impenetrable forcefields, and better healing)
Offense: Leaf Girl (More opportunities to go on the attack)
Defense: Cinner (Power null and heat aura can help defend for a while)
Stamina: Both (Both can fight for days on end)
Endurance: Both (Debatable)
Skill: Both (Leaf girl is extremely experienced, while cinner has more feats)
Range: Leaf girl (Kilometers >>> Tens of meters)
Prediction: Both (Both specialise in predicting things under a disadvantage of some sort in battle)
Leaf Girl: 14
Cinner: 12
Seems pretty accurate, with Leaf Girl potentially edging a tiny bit. Their winning % odds still seem very similar.Exactly so it’s like 15-14