Well, Haruka can toy around with Shizu for most of their fight, (She was caught off guard once or twice due to Shizu’s emotional empowerment, but she countered pretty swiftly) and Asuna should be at least somewhat comparable to that, even if she is technically stronger than Shizu. This is especially true since, once again, this is not Haruka at full power. I think I’ve said this before. That’s why I’m scaling to Asuna so much.
The RE is somewhat based off willpower right? Isn’t Asuna some sort of outlier or am I getting something different from these statements?
Asuna has to be an outlier otherwise none of this would be consistent with itself i feel like
It is, but i think saying it’s an outlier is a bit of a stretch if Haruka is technically superior unless I’m missing something?
Isn't it true that haruka has years of experience compared to Asuna's days or even just weeks? If they're even remotely comparable than Asuna is an extreme outlier, which I suppose is par for the course when it comes to a main character
I mean her willpower being beyond most others in the verse
There are definitely characters with much stronger willpower than even Asuna is capable of, yeah. Chidori for example can train constantly in stopped time for a whole century straight (In her perception) according to her, which definitely gives you levels of willpower that Asuna hasn’t shown yet
Goblins solo the bakuhatsu verse no diff frfr
Why was this ignored? This seems capitol for the outcome here
Well, Haruka is most definitely far superior, yeah. If she wasn’t holding back she would have beaten Shizu in 10 seconds flat (Which, for plot reasons, her reason for holding back was to not only spite Asuna, but to also actually to make Asuna overconfident and believe that’s her full strength, since Haruka is basically in the adventurers tournament specifically to beat her. Asuna does something next chapter to overcome this skill disadvantage cause Chidori clutch before the fight, but no spoilers
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But she doesn't feel superior at all when it comes to both willpower and adaptation, you've already touted both of these things for Asuna very much countless times in every thread she's been in. Haruka has years of experience as an Adventurer, yet Asuna who is brand new is not only comparable to her already, but apparently able to even overcome her, albeit with a bit of outside help which you just admitted. All of this while, again, Asuna is very new. You can't really have it both ways by scaling to Asuna who is evidently supremely outclassing Haruka there. It's pretty clear that Asuna is actually the one who is far superior, but only when it comes to this specific aspect of them both.Well, Haruka is most definitely far superior, yeah. If she wasn’t holding back she would have beaten Shizu in 10 seconds flat (Which, for plot reasons, was to not only make a fool out of her to spite Asuna, but to also actually to make Asuna overconfident and believe that’s her full strength, since Haruka is basically in the adventurers tournament specifically to beat her. Asuna does something next chapter to overcome this cause Chidori clutch before the fight, but no spoilers
I meant comparable, as in, Haruka should be able to do this because she’s superior. Maybe I worded something incorrectly, but I don’t think I said Asuna was superior to Haruka completely. The only reason she beat Haruka in this tourney is because this is the suppressed version of Haruka, y’know, the one against Shizu. I think that’s made clear from her key name (Hence, “Suppressed”). The actual full power Haruka is far, far stronger than this. Which is why Asuna won’t win on her own current kit.
Again it’s not about power, it’s potential, adaptation, and willpower, which Asuna CLEARLY has a heavy advantage in regardless of who’s helping her on the outside, and this being the suppressed version doesn’t mean she can just access that higher power, after all it’s her “suppressed key”
That’s because Haruka doesn’t have nearly enough screentime right now to make that overly clear. But I have shown what the canon implications are as of current, and that’s that Haruka is a big threat to Asuna and Shizu right now, and for a reason. I know that it’s kind of a problem (I acknowledged it when I was first submitting her I believe, but you allowed her in) but I’m trying to make it as clear as possible with what’s been shown so far.
Well yeah I did allow her, but we can't be using stuff you have down for the future in this thread and even implications of things aren't to be taken as absolutes, especially in vs threads.
Well, that's the thing I've been trying to get at
Nobody is able to justify scaling with Asuna for willpower
Well, I think I did put them as equal there, at least for now, but I guess what you’re saying does make sense. Maybe my judgement is just being clouded from things that are happening in future chapters, but idkWell, that's the thing I've been trying to get at
Their will cannot be equal according to the lore you've made, at least not yet, and that is actually because of Haruka being more experienced. Let me explain.
See, Haruka has been surviving years in this place which is supposedly extremely difficult to survive in. Meanwhile, Asuna gets sent there suddenly and after a very short time is basically already equally capable compared with Haruka. There's a very obvious difference between the two, see? Asuna has Haruka heavily outclassed in this aspect. Asuna's lesser experience/skill ratio far exceeds Haruka's strictly because Haruka is more experienced. Not to mention, once again, her lack of feats which makes it very hard to believe that she could be equal or even remotely comparable at all. You quite literally have Asuna's willpower listed as 'indomitable' on her profile with a series of explanations AND feats, meanwhile Haruka just has 'supernatural' with one sentence. I'm sorry, but it's pretty clear how it really is
Plus you have multiple contradictory statements about how Haruka's willpower actually is. On her profile it states 'should be comparable to Shizu and Asuna', but not only does she not have the feats to back it up, in the previous reply I sent which included one of your reasons why Asuna beats Haruka, you clearly state Way more willpower than shizu AND Shizu needed mental amps as justification so you had clear intent (as you possess word of god for both of them) on letting the world know that Haruka actually isn't comparable to Asuna at all, and I feel like trying to roll that all back now in this situation might be a bit disingenuous and again results in more inconsistencies, and feats that are upcoming aren't allowed to be considered either way
Well, that's the thing I've been trying to get at
Their will cannot be equal according to the lore you've made, at least not yet, and that is actually because of Haruka being more experienced. Let me explain.
See, Haruka has been surviving years in this place which is supposedly extremely difficult to survive in. Meanwhile, Asuna gets sent there suddenly and after a very short time is basically already equally capable compared with Haruka. There's a very obvious difference between the two, see? Asuna has Haruka heavily outclassed in this aspect. Asuna's lesser experience/skill ratio far exceeds Haruka's strictly because Haruka is more experienced. Not to mention, once again, her lack of feats which makes it very hard to believe that she could be equal or even remotely comparable at all. You quite literally have Asuna's willpower listed as 'indomitable' on her profile with a series of explanations AND feats, meanwhile Haruka just has 'supernatural' with one sentence. I'm sorry, but it's pretty clear how it really is
Plus you have multiple contradictory statements about how Haruka's willpower actually is. On her profile it states 'should be comparable to Shizu and Asuna', but not only does she not have the feats to back it up, in the previous reply I sent which included one of your reasons why Asuna beats Haruka, you clearly state Way more willpower than shizu AND Shizu needed mental amps as justification so you had clear intent (as you possess word of god for both of them) on letting the world know that Haruka actually isn't comparable to Asuna at all, and I feel like trying to roll that all back now in this situation might be a bit disingenuous and again results in more inconsistencies, and feats that are upcoming aren't allowed to be considered either way
Can we go back to the vs cinner debate?
My big point is basically that I don’t think scaling to Asuna for the things I mentioned above
Colton wouldn't let this slide tbh
Where is his profile?
Dang I got humbled rq
I mean I would like to see it for real though lolDang I got humbled rq
It's in a blog lemme upload it to the group chat rq
Agree with Vene, numerous arguments have been made on all important factors and they got answers, the voting time should happen. Its namely this point that circled tremendously in past matches for 5+ pages...
Those wizards could’ve been rather simple and non haxy. Cinner has faced people with good stuff like poison, portal creation, gravity manipulation, durability negation, etc. Without elaboration, it doesn’t seem to match up. And on scaring opponents, that’s one of Kaint’s things with only really strong characters being able to resist his fear aura. Toying with skilled opponents also kinda matches up with Dice. I envision him as just being there to mess things up and make chaos yet he beat Omega V handily whose High 7-C feat is a basis of scaling for all the top tiers in the verse. And of course Cinner beat him like mid diff with all the skill he gained. Kedron could definitely be a high tier in the tournament, but after that the feats kinda get ridiculous on my part.
If Haruka really can’t adapt and Cinner holds all his advantages letting him get in, I’ll vote for him.My big point is basically that I don’t think scaling to Asuna for the things I mentioned above
is very plausible right now, everything else sure, but i think it’s clear how I feel about willpower and such
I think this whole thing started when minty asked about RE, so let’s get back there. He said that Asuna is an outlier, and for now that point definitely stands according to what has been said here, so Cinner overall is still at an advantage, and I think it’s getting very close to voting times
Official vote?
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