You’re under no obligation to vote for either, obviously, but I think it should be brought into mind that haruka is going to have a lot more opportunities to execute all of her strategies and arguments given how much greater her range is, saying this to minty too
I disagree, obviously, but you’re obviously entitled to your vote
Imma just not gonna vote teehee
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Well air pulling would be rather new I’d assume, it breaking her concentration isn’t too far fetched given they’re decently close in LS. Sure fire is a bit much but yeah that’s a bad scenario for Cinner.
I mean we can have this as Incon and just have one progress in the tournamentY U NO VOTE????? THIS CAN’T FRICKIN CONCLUDE WITHOUT UR VOTE BRUH
Haruka encountered new things before, like Shizu knowing nullify, but her magic nor concentration didn’t waver, so that would hardly be any different, especially when she knows of immediate ways to counter (Nullify, Shadow portal, etc.)
Haruka’s RE let’s her get 5x the AP range, and Cinner can put his guard up and block, yes, that’s why i said it’s be partial damage, but then he’d be leaving lifeline undefended if he can’t get in front of it in time, and depending on where ultimate darkness strike lands, it might not be feasible to just block, especially since haruka can use multiple of them, which could potentially attack omnidirectionally around him and lifeline, making defending it useless.
Ik, but it feels kinda dull without a definitive winner (Though if it does come down to incon, I’ve got plenty of good arguments for haruka advancing)
The definition of incon in Rules_for_VS_Threads/Battles: "If both sides have equivalent posts with constructive arguments, the thread shall be deemed inconclusive."
I was REALLY gonna say something there frogfy but uhhh yeah incon fra
Shoot, good point. But then again here she’s feeling the air itself tugging at her rather than just observing something she hasn’t seen.
Frick, I did mb, but it’s on Asuna’s profile:
Ye, I saw the 25 second thing, but as long as haruka continues to stay out of his range, she’ll probably be fine. Is strong leap spammable? He could prolly use it to escape, at least until haruka uses AoE attacks whilst cinner is in the air. If that’s how it works, then lifeline might take a hit or two, but it’ll still break if haruka hits it enough times, especially if it’s adapted haruka. As a wise man once said: “Nothings bullet-proof if you shoot it enough times”
Cinner does have his ways of getting into her portals with her since that’s how she gets that far away in the first place. But if he’s stuck away, the time it’d take to reach her in a rush could hurt even if he does have his evasion skills.
True. Lifeline’s extension in general has a 5 second cooldown, seconds that could be exploited but still mere seconds. Haruka would need Touhou levels of danmaku spam to get him without AOE. That is a fire quote though.
How does he do that? That’s also relying on the fact that he’s gotta be within range, which is very limited for cinner in this case, which is why I’m bringing up the fact that haruka can execute her strategies and attacks way easier if this goes to incon
She hasn’t shown off any outright spamming (Yet) but I’m very confident she’d have that, considering everyone else can do danmaku attacks. And I happen to agree
Jumping multiple times and pulling Haruka with air to slow her down and slipping in. And doesn’t Haruka need to portal away in the first place to fully use her range advantage?How does he do that? That’s also relying on the fact that he’s gotta be within range, which is very limited for cinner in this case, which is why I’m bringing up the fact that haruka can execute her strategies and attacks way easier if this goes to incon
She hasn’t shown off any outright spamming (Yet) but I’m very confident she’d have that, considering everyone else can do danmaku attacks. And I happen to agree
They start pretty far away, (40 meters, about the higher end of cinners’ range, I presume?) and haruka won’t rush in right away against an unknown opponent. If Haruka found herself stuck, she always has nullify to stop the air, and she can always just block or parry if she can’t get away.
If Cinner want’s to minimise the amount of hits haruka would land, precisely, though her massive range, adaptation to his movements and AoE attacks are still going to make it super difficult to stop both himself and lifeline from getting damaged, especially when haruka can use multiple ultimate darkness strikes at once for extra damage if she got the opportunity. Just because you can see it coming (Air sense) doesn’t always mean you can dodge it in time, after all. That’s a principle with spidey-sense and similair abilities, too.
Since they’re that far, Cinner should leap off the ground or use Strong Leap which would let him cross that distance in a few seconds. The LS would make it so Haruka isn’t entirely halted by the air so not entirely sure if she would prioritize it knowing the cooldown if she turns it off. If she does though Cinner has to pursue which would be a disadvantage. But by that point he’s rushing.
A few seconds is plenty of time for haruka to dodge (As I’ve said before, she’s used to having to dodge with little time on her hands, especially in the Shizu fight)
He’s not completely immune though, is he? And if haruka is adapted, superhuman precision is gonna make it difficult for Cinner to just move slightly so it doesn’t hit anything vital once Haruka gets the opportunity, like if she bypasses prediction by changing movement patterns suddenly for example, or just pulls a “I refuse” to the air sense and uses AoE Ultimate darkness strikes around him and lifeline. She could also nullify air sense if that doesn’t work.
Well she’d have to see him coming, make the portal, and go through all before he gets in her range in about 4 seconds.
Haruka has prediction of her own, and 4 seconds is plenty of time to shadow portal away
The reducing his body mass part, I can’t see on his profile, but ok. Equalised speeds and haruka’s long distance attacks giving cinner a bit of warning is true, but To get through whatever danmaku haruka decides to throw at her, in most cases he’d have to fly a pretty darn long way, which can give haruka plenty of time to retreat further again and keep spamming and forcing him to defend. If they’re both trying to bypass each others’ prediction, then that’ll just put em on equal footing, lol.
I suppose she can then making Cinner pursue her.
Ah, I see. Once again though, haruka is not going to get in close unless she see’s an opportunity to damage him greatly and combo or until she’s adapted to him completely. So landing that with the range cinner has is going to be very difficult, especially since haruka can basically unleash attacks at him whenever she wants
We’re kinda at an impasse here since Haruka can keep teleporting away but Cinner can keep trying to catch her and using his movement based abilities to help himself and hinder her attempts to hit him while she can keep spamming him. There’s also a chance one outpredicts the other. I’m seeing why people dropped incon votes.
Cinner does have his early game advantages and adaptation/prediction to counteract Haruka’s adapting to him. He also has seemingly far more training and has fought more people with comparable skill and similar power sets to Haruka. He also has things that would be hard for Haruka to find out about and nullify, namely Object Bond and his senses. He is used to having to force his way in range and balance defense and offense too, the staff is a very all round kind of weapon.
There is a bunch of stuff that doesn’t really make that feasible, but if that did happen, haruka could just pull a * Teleports behind you * to escape and hit cinner away, lol
That’s why I brought up haruka’s intelligence and deductive abilities to begin with for exactly those reasons. She won’t know everything right away, but she’ll get a ton of knowledge over time through sheer deduction alone, given that her deduction abilities give her the literal ability to know your worst fears at a glance
She could but Cinner could also catch her before she falls in given exposure to portals by the time that happens.
True, but it’s also relying on cinner being within range against, which haruka is trying to exploit, since she has a huge advantage in that regard
I know, and that seems to make sense right now, but skills in Bakuhatsu is straight up magic, which covers a whole wide array of things. ‘Ki’ is just a synonym for ‘chi’ which is described as “the purest energy that arises out of consciousness, awareness, stillness – through you into your body and all expressions of life.” but in a more fictional sense, it’s straight up magical energy, exactly like Bakuhatsu magic. You seem to have made a clear difference between “Life force” and “Ki” here, especially since they don’t seem to be the same thing at a glance here.
Ok, makes sense. I’m very confident that haruka can, again, nullify the aura if it’s hindering damage for some reason. I don’t see how cinner has much time to make a whole ahh plan around it when haruka uses those skills whenever she wants to take him by surprise.
Right, both are trying to make things play by their rules.
Okie dokie, though haruka has the ‘play by my rules’ tactic in the bag, since cinner will constantly be in her range, and the same can’t really be said for cinner
True, but so is haruka. And like I’ve mentioned before, her range is gonna let her do whatever she wants whenever, whereas cinner has to get in close to do anything, so assuming their battle IQ is equal (Intelligence can’t be 100% accurately scaled) then haruka would excel in that, since she has way more opportunities to execute any strategy she comes up with.
