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Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Lawyerr said:
True Composite with no nuance to scaling puts Batman at outerversal easily. In fact, it puts every character in DC as a cosmology soloer
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I mean it's clearly this is just a one off thing they're doing, as evident they're using Jump Force and Fortnite scaling for this. My suggestion is just don't take it too seriously.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I mean, they're doing a true composite with this one, so I guess that's why?

It's not the same as what DB is doing which is just DBH Vs Infinite Frontier.
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I mean to be fair here Infinite Frontiers Superman is basically the "canon"/comic composite of Superman where as Goku's being given the Super anime and manga, and of course Super Dragon Ball Heroes. So Goku's arguably been given more of an advantage in terms of the material he's been given when compared to Supes who's limited to what it is presented in Pre, Post Crisis, and Rebirth even though it irreversibly ***** Goku hard because of the DC and Superman high ends you can put him at, a sentiment which Death Battle agrees with.
 
Chronicplane said:
Seriously what's even the point of comic book stories if ya just gonna make all of your heroes deus ex machina's?
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Supes just isn’t an invincible deus ex machina in most stories he’s involved in, guy’s got rivals (and superiors), weaknesses, and emotional vulnerabilities.

Much less “all” DC heroes, you think Green Arrow and Black Canary are deus ex machina's?
 
Chronicplane said:
Seriously what's even the point of comic book stories if ya just gonna make all of your heroes deus ex machina's?
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No offense here man, but if you genuinely believe that heroes like Superman are deus ex machina's which never lose even though there's plenty of tales where Superman has lost to comparable or superior entities, has had his weaknesses exposed to make him more vulnerable, and has a history of struggling with his inability to save everyone as highlighted in stories like Up In The Sky then I have to ask if your knowledge on Superman is limited to the stereotype of the character or not
 
Quantu said:
My eyes are also wide open. No way Simon is ever gonna be beating Kyle lmao, I was deluded.

Time to give up Simonbros.
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Yeah I shared my concerns before, I just know they'll whip out infinite dimensional Kyle and give the Life Equation.

Maverick_Zero_X said:
Supes just isn’t an invincible deus ex machina in most stories he’s involved in, guy’s got rivals (and superiors), weaknesses, and emotional vulnerabilities.

Much less “all” DC heroes, you think Green Arrow and Black Canary are deus ex machina's?
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Yeah,the guy gets his ass beat pretty regularly for all his strength and might. Him having a lot of impressive shit doesn't really make him top of the verse.

Like if we're talking just Herald tiers, I wouldn't even say Superman is anywhere close to being top 10 strongest.
 
NotoriouSoda said:
g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com

Death Battle Predictions: Goku VS Superman

(Blue Igneous) (ishi_yuki) (greymerlion2) (Advert) (Adam天) “There is hope after despair and many suns after darkness.” - Rumi Son Goku , t...
g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com
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All I'm sitting here thinking of how stupidly broken a saiyan/kryptonion hybrid would be

Like they use solar radiation in their cells to turn into a op as hell transformation that can absorb all energy and Warp reality like no one's business
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
No offense here man, but if you genuinely believe that heroes like Superman are deus ex machina's which never lose even though there's plenty of tales where Superman has lost to comparable or superior entities, has had his weaknesses exposed to make him more vulnerable, and has a history of struggling with his inability to save everyone as highlighted in stories like Up In The Sky then I have to ask if your knowledge on Superman is limited to the stereotype of the character or not
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I won't lie, I do prefer grounded stories where escalation doesn't happen to the point of ludicrous which just really frustrates me that some writers only see them as, but you're right, sorry if I offended you in anyway, I'll admit my knowledge on Superman is limited beyond the exposer from Death Battle and live action movies, but some of those panels like that one that was shared earlier was very heart-wrenching and beautiful, wish a lot more stories would show that side of these comic characters more often.
 
Tipper17 said:
mkdbpredictions.weebly.com

Goku vs. Superman

Son Goku, Dragon Ball’s supreme Super Saiyan and the model of perseverance, drive, and determination. Clark Kent, DC’s legendary blue beacon of hope and the defender of truth, justice, and the...
mkdbpredictions.weebly.com
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In fairness, I really don't see Death Battle having Superman stomp Goku.

I think this blog closer fits to how the team will portray the fight tbh.
 
Chronicplane said:
I won't lie, I do prefer grounded stories where escalation doesn't happen to the point of ludicrous which just really frustrates me that some writers only see them as, but you're right, sorry if I offended you in anyway, I'll admit my knowledge on Superman is limited beyond the exposer from Death Battle and live action movies, but some of those panels like that one that was shared earlier was very heart-wrenching and beautiful, wish a lot more stories would show that side of these comic characters more often.
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No no no, you don't need to apologize to me in the slightest, you have your preferences to how stories should be founded upon and that is something I completely respect. My comment wasn't meant to insult you or make you feel bad for having these views, I just get a tad bit frustrated when Superman's character is mischaracterized and viewed because of parts of pop culture such as how Death Battle painted Superman in Goku vs Superman 2 and the live action movies as you said.

So let me clarify it a little: I'm not frustrated with you whatsoever, I'm more so annoyed whenever I see that specific perspective of Superman and I wish to apologize if my comment made me sound like a dick towards you for not seeing it like I do.
 
Torquasm Rao and Vo are two manifestations of one Kryptonian martial art, one concentrating on the mental, the other one through the physical (as shown above). Such a technique was practiced by Ancient Kryptonian warriors, giving them the capacity to fight without being awake and thinking. They would enter into the Theta state, a type of consciousness control which allowed the practicing warrior to hone his mind into the perfect weapon. The adept would enter and maintain a hyper-alert and hyper-calm state of consciousness which would allow for perfect control and supremacy in battle.
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Seeing this vs. Ultra Instinct would be neat
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
I thought that the Spawn scaling to Mark didn't apply since, from what I've heard, Spawn fought a clone of Mark and Spawn's power in said crossover wasn't specified in the narrative. Though I'm not an expert on Image Comics in the slightest so maybe there's some context to make the scaling viable if Mark is composited
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It's definitely not valid scaling yeah. I was just memeing.

Mark's ass ain't doing shit to Gohan.
 
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The above image is apparently the true form of Kryptonians in general, as manifested by Jor-El, Superman’s father, after Clark had attempted to investigate UFO sightings in Smallville. Jor-El explains that no pretense can change Kal’s essential nature, the truth of what he is. Such a being has lived inside Kal-El for all his time, with there having been no distance between them, as the father and the son have been one and the same all along. Earth’s image of what ‘Superman’ really is is limited, with Clark’s human mind even not being able to overcome the truth of what he really is, and what Krypton represents.
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The universe is merely a hologram projected by the mind, with time not being something that truly exists as fundamental, therefore allowing one to cross the boundaries of space and time effortlessly, even to and from Krypton. The true form of all beings is therefore summed up in these consciousnesses from deeper parts of reality, where even spatial dimensionality is too limited of a concept to encompass them.
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Such beings are both real and non-real simultaneously, with reality being able to be bent into infinite directions and dimensions. The true form of Jor-El is manifested as a “materialized psychism”, projected from the collective unconscious, something neither objective nor subjective, but omnijective. Upon the realization that Superman even chose to come to Earth before he was born as an act of love, the ethereal being which is Jor-El manifests back into his human form as Clark sees it, rocketing Superman back to Earth from the true form of Krypton, with Superman finally accepting such a being as his true father, Jor-El, and him as his son.
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Now what does this mean? No one really knows. Clark is as uncertain about what Superman is as anyone else, but the difference is that he’s finally at peace about his true nature. Superman is a mystery that can never be solved, and at the end, that’s alright with Clark, as it always was meant to be.
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NotoriouSoda said:
would be wrong and we would rightfully give them shit
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I wouldn't lol.

I'm so sick of scaling Heralds to destroying their whole cosmology. Like every member of the Justice League is secretly above Cosmic Armor Superman. When like every single run has them well below the cosmics of their verse.

Bring on the Goku win for the sanity of vs debating comic book characters.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
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W-What sort of Lovecraftian, cosmic horror, and philosophical shit is this? Because I don't see anything wrong with Kryptonians being a decently strong and technological race of aliens that were wiped out when Krypton was destroyed and Superman was one of the last surviving members, but apparently one author decided to make them these abstract and metaphysical entities beyond the universe at large.

Chronic I'm starting to understand why you like more grounded stories, this is ludicrous even by Superman standards
 
Lawyerr said:
According to this blog, Cosmic Armor Superman and Base Superman are interchangeable in terms of power.

I'm so sick of Omniversal heralds that put the Justice League individually on the level of Lucifer.
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In the blog a lot of things are exaggerated, for example the universal decibel thing is interesting at first but when you look it up you will see that cyborg attacked owlman(?) with a million decibels wtf
 
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