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Slay The Princess Page Creation Discussion

So if the Echo were to have a profile himself, would he have Subjective Reality?
 
So if the Echo were to have a profile himself, would he have Subjective Reality?
He would have supergenius intelligence and 2-A or Low 1-C prep time (don't know which). But subjective reality is just by convincing the Long Quiet of what stuff should look like or act like.
 
He would have supergenius intelligence and 2-A or Low 1-C prep time (don't know which). But subjective reality is just by convincing the Long Quiet of what stuff should look like or act like.
It would have to be Low 1-C, he split such an entity apart and trapped it in the Construct that contains/is spread across 2-A number of worlds
 
The Echo is stated to be everywhere, so he would have nigh-omnipresence. Acausality Type 3 since there are infinite of him?

When he was alive he would definitely be 2-A to Low 1-C, since he split the God the Princess and Player were. Sealing & Creation through the Construct.
 
The Echo is stated to be everywhere, so he would have nigh-omnipresence. Acausality Type 3 since there are infinite of him?
He's everywhere but that's because the Long Quiet is everywhere, as he exists within the mind of the Long Quiet which is why a version of it persists through universes (or at least that's my understanding). But he would still be Acasual Type 3, I just think its more like HDE-related size rather than nigh-omnipresence.
 
He's everywhere but that's because the Long Quiet is everywhere, as he exists within the mind of the Long Quiet which is why a version of it persists through universes (or at least that's my understanding).
The Echoes are not a part of the Long Quiet, he says so himself. The Echoes are what remain of him after he died, and tucked those echoes into the folds of the construct. At least on a world-level scale, the Wild says he exists beyond the edge of the world, and is everywhere, but presence isn't equal to strength.

On the other hand, his gaze has the ability to keep the Wild which is endless from reaching the walls of the construct as long as they don't push their limits, so he's Low 2-C in one way or another.
 
Omnipresent within the Construct, but each version of him is unlinked to the other.
 
And, I found this statement.
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It clarifies that the Player and the Shifting Mound can't go back to being one, because the Echo when he was alive did reshape reality itself. So that should solidify his AP when he was alive.

However, the Player and the Shifting Mound should get Invulnerability, as they can't be destroyed.
 
It clarifies that the Player and the Shifting Mound can't go back to being one, because the Echo when he was alive did reshape reality itself. So that should solidify his AP when he was alive.
It would be Low 1-C with prep.
However, the Player and the Shifting Mound should get Invulnerability, as they can't be destroyed.
Sure, since they're concepts and you need to destroy those to actually kill either.
 
And, I found this statement.
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It clarifies that the Player and the Shifting Mound can't go back to being one, because the Echo when he was alive did reshape reality itself. So that should solidify his AP when he was alive.

However, the Player and the Shifting Mound should get Invulnerability, as they can't be destroyed.
The Long Quiet can kill the Shifting Mound, so would that give him Invulnerability Negation?
 
The Long Quiet can kill the Shifting Mound, so would that give him Invulnerability Negation?
I'm not sure. The thing with the Long Quiet is that they can actually erase concepts, which is why the Echo had to use him to kill the Shifting Mound. So its either just Conceptual Manipulation or EE, rather than Invulnerability Negation (which is to negate Invulnerability rather than bypassing it).
 
Do they really need Invulnerability then? They're deathless abstract nonduality conceptual beings, which makes them invulnerable to a whole lot of things already.
 
Being indestructible is different than being too abstract to be destroyed through normal methods. The Echo when he was alive could interact with them when they were one, but he simply couldn't destroy them.
 
Found the script of the game to see what else there is for the Princess, since there are no 100% playthroughs atm;
  • Together, they were the entire cycle of life and death, creation, and destruction. I don't know if they would warrant any abilities though.
The cycle of life and death. The endless pattern of creation and destruction. I tore it in two and shaped the fraying threads into you and her.
  • Her just existing means nothing can last forever. Not sure what ability this would be?
It wouldn't work. Her nature as The Shifting Mound makes it so nothing can last forever as it is now. It wouldn't matter how long the two of you waited. Eventually she would find a way to leave. And then everything would change. Everything would face oblivion.
  • She gives meaning to existence, so this can be added to her Conceptual Manipulation.
I was told there was enough of you in me to preserve meaning in existence. I'm going to trust that's true.
  • She and the Long Quiet are reality itself, so I think they should have Reality Manipulation.
I reject the narrow view of impermanence. I cling to nothing. There is no better us for us to be than us. We are reality itself.
  • She and the Long Quiet are connected to all things and are everything, so they should have omnipresence.
All things are connected through me and through you. To harm me is to harm yourself is to harm everything. The truth of that moment remains our truth.
  • She is action itself, so she should have Causality Manipulation.
When forced between choosing your death, and forfeiting your body, you chose agency. But agency requires action, and action requires an endless tapestry of events. In your final moments, would you remove action itself from reality?
 
Added Fury key to the page
Also will anyone bother adding the AP/Stats of Mound, since it seems we more or less agree on it being tier 2
 
Also will anyone bother adding the AP/Stats of Mound, since it seems we more or less agree on it being tier 2
It would just be this
Low Complex Multiverse level (Equal in power to the Long Quiet, who's true form is considered infinite to the finite Construct, which contains infinite universes and infinite sides within its makeup)
 
And I guess the Multitude would be 2-A. The Wild would be Low 2-C with 2-A range? The Stranger would be "Varies" with 2-A range?
 
So for the Stranger Path
These ones are a contradiction. A winding kaleidoscope of paths unwalked. They are stretched into a shape not unlike me, but it is a shape they cannot hold.
So I'm not sure if we can really give her an AP rating, since like the game shows the character basically just collapses in on themselves until the Shifting Mound stabilizes them.
 
So I'm not sure if we can really give her an AP rating, since like the game shows the character basically just collapses in on themselves until the Shifting Mound stabilizes them.
Well, it would be a 2-A level self-destruct right? The more you interact with her, the more worlds start to overlay, until eventually all of them, and all of the princesses collapse into one thing.
 
Well, it would be a 2-A level self-destruct right? The more you interact with her, the more worlds start to overlay, until eventually all of them, and all of the princesses collapse into one thing.
It would be, since it collapses on itself afterwards and the Construct returns into the Long Quiet.
 
Also to quote a previous question
PC: Whenever I've tried getting answers out of you before, you've been absolutely impenetrable. Why are you suddenly being so open?

Echo: Because we're at the end of the road, and circumstances have changed. If one of those other versions of me had told you what she actually was, it would have made your task impossible to finish. Not that you managed to finish it. Her nature is to become what others perceive her to be. If you actually knew what she was, if you knew her capabilities, a single intrusive thought could have instantly ended the entire world.
PC: What do you mean a single intrusive thought could have instantly ended the world?'

Echo: "It's simple, really: 'She can become whatever people perceive her to be? That's easy! I'll just will her into something really small! But wait, what if I accidentally will her into something that ends the world. Oh no, what if just thinking that—

Echo: But you wouldn't have finished your hypothetical thought, because she would have already destroyed the world. Luckily for you, as you are now, you won't be able to will her into anything. You don't work the way a living being does. Not anymore.

Which is rather impressive.

If a single person is aware of what she is, a singular thought is enough to instantly return her to full strength.

Which seems like regeneration but I'm not 100% sure what it would be. Maybe some form of Godly?
 
I don't know if they have any feats of them regenerating from nothing, but if they did, they could get Mid to High-Godly. We know that the body and soul exist in the verse, and we have also learned that consciousness/mind exists within the soul. Plus every Princess is a fragment of a concept, so that would qualify them for High-Godly, but I don't remember them ever regenerating from nothing.
 
As an additional question, would we give the Tower and Apotheosis form Low 2-C scaling for overpowering the Narrator and controlling it or would that just be range?
 
Not to disrupt the conversation, but if you guys can start compiling images of the different princesses, I can attempt to render those images for the profile.
 
As an additional question, would we give the Tower and Apotheosis form Low 2-C scaling for overpowering the Narrator and controlling it or would that just be range?
I mean in Tower she seemed pretty confident that she could straight-up remake the world, so I think Low 2-C makes sense.
Tower: The last time we met, you told me I was destined to end the world. That thought wrapped itself around my heart. It has pulled at me since the moment I squeezed the life out of your broken lungs.
Tower: Something about that thought wraps itself around my heart. It feels like a fundamental truth to my being that I'd somehow forgotten.
Tower: The collapse of the old is a necessary prelude to the birth of the new, and the world as it is now is overdue for alterations.
And in Apotheosis the Narrator said reality was falling apart because of her.
Echo: No I haven't met you, but reality is clearly falling apart at the moment, and the only reason that would happen is if you knew things you weren't supposed to know.
 
Its missing some of the forms technically and has some old art like the Stranger render
Weird quoting myself, but TV Tropes has a lot of images for the various Princess forms
I mean in Tower she seemed pretty confident that she could straight-up remake the world, so I think Low 2-C makes sense.
Maybe possibly Low 2-C? Because she can still die and become the Fury unlike with the Apotheosis route. Which would also give the Fury "Possibly Low 2-C" I guess.
 
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They probably have "Low 2-C via Hax". Their physical stats are still tier 9 via size (their only feats are from being hurt by the PC, who can only hurt them because he believes he can hurt them).
 
The Tower should have Large Size (Type 0; she is about four times taller than the protagonist), and because this puts her between 5-7 meters tall (for her to be less than 5 meters tall, the protagonist has to be under 167 cm tall, which is below average) she should have an AP of "At least Street level, likely Wall level" going off the table on the Large Size Calculations page.

EDIT: I have added those things to the blog page.
 
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