Slay the Princess profile creation thread

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Hold the damn phone-- why are we even considering dropping profiles if the verse is going to be steadily updated not even four days after the thread was made?

The new update is just some fixes/QoL. The actual content update was a month ago. We're only slated for 1 more content update that wont affect the ending except for some new poems since it only adds new princesses and new dialogue to few existing princesses. That can be handled in another CRT to add even more keys when it's out

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Hold the damn phone-- why are we even considering dropping profiles if the verse is going to be steadily updated not even four days after the thread was made?

I asked Qaw on the updating situation and he just said there wasn’t any info out on any hard dates so I told him to just make the thread

The update came out of nowhere, the creators dropped it saying it was a small taste of what they have been working on. I didn't realize it would have whole new dialogue until I watched a video.

Well damm

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I mean, the Stranger has confirmed Nigh-Omniscience which is cool. The ending where you confront all the different Princesses and Felina has some new stuff added to it, and so does the final talk with the princess in the cabin.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I thought we came to an agreement on that in the discussion thread.

I don't remember any of that honestly

 

[Everything12]

I guess I see where Ultima is coming from the Absolute Reality might be fit for 1-A, but because of anti-feats it can't be, however this doesn't mean it is suitable evidence for Low 1-A. I guess higher in Low 1-C is fine.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I don't remember any of that honestly

Slay The Princess Page Creation Discussion

1350/124 = 10.8871 Hand length of the average woman in the US = 17.272 cm 10.8871*17.272 cm = 188.042 cm Head circumference of the average woman in the US = 55 cm Head width = circumference/pi 55 cm/pi = 17.507 cm 17.507 cm/188.042 cm = 10.741 Height of the average woman in the US = 162.56 cm...

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[Qawsedf234]

Slay The Princess Page Creation Discussion

1350/124 = 10.8871 Hand length of the average woman in the US = 17.272 cm 10.8871*17.272 cm = 188.042 cm Head circumference of the average woman in the US = 55 cm Head width = circumference/pi 55 cm/pi = 17.507 cm 17.507 cm/188.042 cm = 10.741 Height of the average woman in the US = 162.56 cm...

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Reading through I think we opted not to do the Stranger since she's just a worse Multitude, which makes sense I guess. I still don't know if she's High 3-A or 2-A, but the thread can decide on that I guess since it effects the upper tiers.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Reading through I think we opted not to do the Stranger since she's just a worse Multitude, which makes sense I guess. I still don't know if she's High 3-A or 2-A, but the thread can decide on that I guess since it effects the upper tiers.

Well if people do agree, then It should be kept in mind that there are an infinite fractal of worlds, not just infinite.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Changed CM on the Princess's profile to type 1. Nothing new since that was what was suppose to be and was already on TLQ's profile.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

If we are adding the Stranger's Key, this could be her reasoning; (The Stranger is both herself and the world, collapsed into a singular entity. She is everything, having no beginning or end. An infinite fractal and a winding kaleidoscope of untraveled paths—paths that branch from one another forever in all directions)

These are the two main abilities she could have;

• Nigh-Omniscience (She has seen everything, every thread of every story between herself and the Long Quiet)
• Multilocation (Incorporeal & Physical Type 3; The Shifting Mound stated that the Stranger was everything—an endless song)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

If she is every princess, fused into one, then shouldn't she gain almost their abilities?

 

[Qawsedf234]

If she is every princess, fused into one, then shouldn't she gain almost their abilities?

It seems like the scenario is that everything happened and got fused together but I don't know if the Stranger princess is particularly strong or not.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

It seems like the scenario is that everything happened and got fused together but I don't know if the Stranger princess is particularly strong or not.

Well, she is the closest thing to the Shifting Mound and Multitude there is, the two both say so themselves. In particular, in the updated encounter with the Shifting Mound, she says that only once they leave the Construct together will they be 'everything' again, like the Stranger was.

And if she is every princess and world fused into one, I think it makes sense she has their abilities.

 

[Qawsedf234]

For the profile since we're not using 1-A, I just threw them all in the Low 1-C key.

 

[Robo432343]

bump?

 

[Qawsedf234]

bump?

Afaik other than 1-A the profiles have been accepted. The two current hang ups are that @ActuallySpaceMan42 wants to add the Stranger as a 2-A key and bump everyone else up by a dimensional level and @Adem_Warlock69 is working on a sourcing page for the Princess that they wanted to get down with first before we post the profiles.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Bump

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Anything new?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

What do yall think of the Fury being weaker than both the Adversary and the Tower? (Cause she can't break the chain)

 

[Qawsedf234]

What do yall think of the Fury being weaker than both the Adversary and the Tower? (Cause she can't break the chain)

Imo she's superior to either form, since she's just a progressed version of them. So I think she'd scale.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Imo she's superior to either form, since she's just a progressed version of them. So I think she'd scale.

I mean, she's smaller than the Tower, don't think the Chapter III Variants are necessarily always stronger than their previous incarnations

 

[Qawsedf234]

I mean, she's smaller than the Tower, don't think the Chapter III Variants are necessarily always stronger than their previous incarnations

Is there an example where one is weaker?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Is there an example where one is weaker?

We currently have The Wraith below The Nightmare and Ig the Ghosts kinda count as weaker?
I think The Fury not breaking her chains when both of her previous incarnations could do so makes her the best example.
It sorta makes sense for the Tower route since TLQ breaks her divine facade. Less so for the Adversary route, but I guess TLQ does horrify her there?

 

[Qawsedf234]

think The Fury not breaking her chains when both of her previous incarnations could do so makes her the best example.

I mean even in that situation she gets out and the Narrator says reality is being warped in her image, with this being the last chance to stop her. She's also physically taller than the one of her previous incarnations and possess similar powers to the other.

So imo she'd scale, but if others are unsure we can have her lower and change it with the DLC.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I mean even in that situation she gets out and the Narrator says reality is being warped in her image, with this being the last chance to stop her. She's also physically taller than the one of her previous incarnations and possess similar powers to the other.

So imo she'd scale, but if others are unsure we can have her lower and change it with the DLC.

She gets out by degloving her entire forearm, I don't think that really counts.
All Chapter III Princesses warp reality, even physically unremarkable ones like The Thorn and the "last chance to stop her" thing is also said for The Den and The Wraith.

Heard that The Fury is gonna be the longest Chapter after the DLC, so she's definitely getting new stuff, but right now she really doesn't have much to work with.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Heard that The Fury is gonna be the longest Chapter after the DLC, so she's definitely getting new stuff, but right now she really doesn't have much to work with.

Alright, we can update her later if needed I guess

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

So ermmm whats going on?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

So ermmm whats going on?

Waiting for dlc to drop I guess

 

[Qawsedf234]

Waiting for dlc to drop I guess

As long as the profile sourcing is done then they can be uploaded afaik. The DLC can be handled in a later thread.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

ok so from what I understand is that the LQ and the SM can’t be 1-a cuz the narrator split them in half. Could he have weakened them before hand by subtilely manipulating there perception like he dose to the LQ? Since there both reduced to “shallow creeks” when the LQ and the SM first meet?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Oh I had no idea @Adem_Warlock69 got finished. If I knew earlier we could've already had the profiles up.

But if everyone's fine with his sourcing and the LQ page then we can finish this and make an update whenever the DLC drops.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Well almost finished, PnA and AP are done but the other sections aren't for the majority of the vessels (Shouldn't take much longer I Hope)

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well almost finished, PnA and AP are done but the other sections aren't for the majority of the vessels (Shouldn't take much longer I Hope)

What's the progress?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

What's the progress?

It's done.

Really sorry for taking so long, got sidetracked way too much and honestly really undersold how long recording the scans would take,
(I was even supposed to post this 3 days ago, but oh well)

Anyway, since it's more of a rework than anything, best explain the changes;

Spoiler: Changes

General Changes​

• All the Princesses got Varies ratings. She's a perception-based entity who's capacities are tied to how others perceive her, with a single intrusive being all she needs to become strong enough to instantly end the world. The Multitude even notes that each Princess is "constantly shifting into something new."
  • The Base Princess got a full Varies rating, her 9-C just being a "usually" since she's practically a blank slate by this point.
  • The other Princesses got a "Varies; Tier" rating cause they have a sort of "baseline" unlike their CH1 counterpart, and won't change as much as a result.
  • I honestly don't know if the Multitude and the Shifting Mound should get Varies ratings, the Multitude does use her vessel's Subjective Reality to make the Long Quiet forget each route and the "heart" of Shifting Mound is only capable of fixing the construct cause the Long Quiet believes she can.
• Gave all the CH2 and CH3 Princesses "Enhanced Subjective Reality" cause it starts influencing her surroundings, instead of just herself.
• The Princess' never really called the Chapter II and III titles, so I just removed em from her name section.
• Put all the connected Princesses in the same key. (Not counting the Shared Routes)
• Also kinda changed the AP order a bit to always have the Shared Route Final Princesses (Wraith, Fury, Wild) after their previous incarnations, cause it sorta doesn't make sense to have the Wraith before the Nightmare when her AP section mentions the Nightmare and as such.
• Gave all the Princesses Standard Tactics sections. The Base Princess' one is the most detailed cause hers is fully determined by how she's viewed. The CH2 and 3 Princesses' ones start by describing how their Subjective Reality would warp their surroundings before going on about how they fight.
• Added another weakness for all the Princesses: "Only the thoughts of a "living being" are capable of shaping the Princess."
  • The Narrator and The Awakened Long Quiet aren't considered living beings, not sure if it would also extend to sentient robots and such.

Specific Changes​

• The Princess
  
  • Removed her "Immortality (Type 2, 4, and 8)"
    • She doesn't "only need her heart in order to remain alive" as the Prisoner does actually die if we don't take her head with us, which from an in-verse perspective would be the Long Quiet not believing her to be still be alive, she's a perception-based entity afterall. We can also just kill the Princess without ever hitting her heart in the CH1 fight that leads to the Witch. "Heart's still beating. That's all she needs." would really only apply to the Razor.
    • The "whenever she dies she reincarnates into a new form" isn't something she herself does, but a byproduct of the construct, and its something that only occurs if the Long Quiet dies, not the Princess.
  • Removed her "Resistance to Pain Manipulation"
    
    • The justification is "Completely unfazed by cutting off her own arm" a.k.a she has really good pain tolerance, which is just Stamina.
    • She feels pain. (E.g. The Beast cries out in "pained surprise" when we fight back, and even says "That hurt.")
  • She's a full Varies rating, as previously stated.
  • Superhuman -> Up to Class 50 (CALC NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED)
  • Likely Infinite -> Usually Superhuman
    
    • The current justification describes a Varies rating, not an Infinite one.
    • She gets tired.
  • Average -> Usually Above Average
  • Added new weakness: "Shackled to the far wall of the basement by one arm and is usually unable to break free on her own, often resorting to chewing through her own arm to do so."
• The Witch/Thorn
  
  • Added Bodily Weaponry
  • Added Enhanced Senses
  • Went into more detail in regards to her Plant Manipulation
  • She has the Pristine Blade as the Thorn and uses it as the Witch, so I decided to listed it in her AP, like we do for the Long Quiet.
  • 9-B with plant manipulation -> At least 9-C with the roots of the Wild
    
    • I think the current justification is referencing the Thorn's cabin, but that's more the result of the Princess' Subjective Reality than anything else, in fact, the Narrator implies that it was burned rather than destroyed by the thorns.
    • I replaced it with the Witch's "crush you with me" root attack thingy.
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman
  • Average -> Usually Above Average
  • Added new weaknesses: "The Witch's paranoia is self-destructive and often irrational.https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Adem_Warlock69/ThePrincessAdditionMaybe#cite_note-CHWI-2 The Thorn is wrapped in thorns, unable to move, as any attempt to do so would result in the thorns tearing into her arm."
• The Grey
  
  • Incorporeality -> Selective Intangibility
    
    • Collective Consensus.
  • Added Weather Manipulation
  • Added Necromancy
  • 9-C -> Unknown. Low 7-B Environmental Destruction with Weather Manipulation
    
    • Don't know why this one was scaled to the Base Princess, she's a ghost, that while can still interact with her environment, is still seen as harmless.
  • Athletic Human -> Unknown
  • Superhuman -> Unknown
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman
  • Average -> Average to Gifted
    
    • One for the "Burned" Grey and one for the "Drowned" Grey
  • Added new weakness: "Seemingly unable to harm others directly."
• The Spectre
  
  • Invisibility -> Selective Intangibility
    
    • Honestly don't know where Invisibility came from lel
  • Added Durability Negation
  • Added Limited Possession
  • Athletic Human -> At least Athletic Human
  • Unknown -> Superhuman
  • Likely Infinite -> Likely Superhuman
  • Added new weaknesses: "The Spectre becomes solid when interacting with anything physical and is generally opposed to conflict. Doesn't gain control of the body she possesses and dies if the host body dies."
  • Grievances:
    
    • No clue what to do with the Spectre's cold aura/touch thing, I think it should be listed in her PnA, but don't know what to list it as.
• The Nightmare/Moment of Clarity
  
  • Biological Manipulation -> Paralysis Inducement, Biological Manipulation and Fear Aura (Overwhelming)
  • Added Regeneration (Likely Mid-Low)
  • Added Possibly Teleportation
  • Added Immortality (Type 1) (Moment of Clarity exclusive)
  • Added Additional Limbs (Moment of Clarity exclusive)
  • 9-C -> At least 9-C, at least 9-Bas the Moment of Clarity
    
    • Gave her an "At least" due the amount of hype the Nightmare gets before we encounter her.
    • The Moment of Clarity is 9-B for basically the same reason as the Razor is.
  • Athletic Human -> At least Athletic Human
  • Superhuman -> Class 50 (CALC NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED)
  • Likely Infinite -> Infinite
    
    • Honestly this should probably only apply to her Moment of Clarity, but the Nightmare has nothing in terms of Stamina.
  • Average -> Above Average
  • Added new weakness: "Sadistic, getting a kick out of watching the Long Quiet struggle to survive."
  • Grievances:
    
    • No clue what to do with the Nightmare's static creation thing and how her basement "isn't meant for a creature of flesh and blood" impacts her, I think it should be listed in her PnA, but don't know what to list it as.
• The Wraith
  
  • Added Selective Intangibility
  • At least 9-C -> 9-C
  • Athletic Human -> Unknown
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman
  • Average -> Average to Above Average
    
    • One for the "Spectre" Wraith and one for the "Nightmare" Wraith
  • Added new weakness: "The Wraith is more concerned with leaving the cabin than anything else."
• The Beast/Den
  
  • Added Stealth Mastery
  • Added Acid Manipulation
  • Athletic Human -> Superhuman
    
    • In addition to the justification in the rework, most mammals of this size are in this area of speed.
  • Superhuman -> Class 50 (CALC NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED)
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman
  • Average -> Above Average
  • Added new weakness: "Vulnerable to attacks from the inside if she succeeds in swallowing her opponent."
• The Adversary/Eye of the Needle
  
  • Added Bodily Weaponry
  • Separated the Immortal Adversary from the initial one; she only really became like that in one route and it doesn't apply to the Eye of the Needle
  • Immortality (Type 2) -> Immortality (Type 1, 2 and 3)
    
    • We already list it as so in her CH1 tab.
    • Her wounds mend.
  • At least Athletic Human , higher as the Eye of the Needle -> At least Athletic Human
    
    • Nothing indicates she got faster as the Eye of the Needle, in fact, the Long Quiet is faster than her when she becomes the Eye of the Needle.
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman, potentially Infinite
  • Added new weakness: "The Adversary will only engage her opponent if they're fully prepared or should they attempt to flee."
• The Tower/Apotheosis
  
  • More detail in regards to her Body Puppetry
  • Added Telepathy
  • Added Death Manipulation
  • Added Flight
  • Added Light Generation (Apotheosis exclusive)
  • At least Class K -> Class M (CALC NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED)
  • Average -> Unknown
    
    • She doesn't really display any intel feats, but average doesn't seem right, with her being basically a "god" to the Long Quiet.
  • Likely Infinite -> Likely Superhuman
  • Added new weakness: "Extremely arrogant and believes herself to be invincible."
• The Fury
  
  • Added Large Size (Type 0)
  • Her Biological Manipulation requires her to clench her fists, so I added that detail.
  • At least 9-B, Low 2-C -> Likely 9-C
    
    • I talked about it a bit above this post lel
    • I'm a hater
  • Superhuman via size -> Unknown
    
    • She is not that big.
  • At least Class K -> Unknown
    
    • The calc is for the Adversary breaking her chains. She legit can't break her chains.
  • Average -> Unknown
    
    • Girl has two minutes of screentime.
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman, possibly Infinite
  • Added new weakness: "Her chest and rib cage is ripped open, exposing her heart."
• The Razor
  
  • Separated her abilities per chapter, she goes from having visibly normal bones to metal ones.
  • Added ratings for her normal human form, instead of just her big skeleton blade form.
  • Average -> Unknown
    
    • She is an awful liar, but is pretty capable in fights, tricking the Long Quiet and such.
    • Honestly forgot to write her one, sorry
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman
  • Added new weaknesses: "The Razor needs to cut off her arm to free herself from her chains. Most vulnerable as the Empty Cup, since she exposes her beating heart to the open."
• The Wild
  
  • Added new weakness: "Her fusion is very fragile and making her focus on her past grievances would tear it apart."
• The Multitude and the Shifting Mound
  
  • Nothing really these two do be rushed a bit
  • Grievances:
    
    • As previously mentioned, don't know if I should give em a Varies rating or not.
    • The Multitude is able to stop us from taking decisions we already have done and stops us from getting the "Good" Ending, seems like Causality Manipulation, although she needs to get a vessel first, so I dunno how to list it.
    • The Multitude also becomes a "living contradiction" by the third vessel, but again don't know if the key we have is for it without any vessels or not.
    • Where does the Multitude name come from? She's usually called the Shifting Mound (Unawakened) from what I've seen.
    • I feel like the Shifting Mound should be given an "At least" before her actual rating due to the Absolute Reality thing, afterall, it'd have made the Shifting Mound and the Long Quiet 1-A if the Narrator wasn't able to interact with them. That's just me tho

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Looks amazing.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

It's done.

Really sorry for taking so long, got sidetracked way too much and honestly really undersold how long recording the scans would take,
(I was even supposed to post this 3 days ago, but oh well)

Anyway, since it's more of a rework than anything, best explain the changes;

Spoiler: Changes

General Changes​

• All the Princesses got Varies ratings. She's a perception-based entity who's capacities are tied to how others perceive her, with a single intrusive being all she needs to become strong enough to instantly end the world. The Multitude even notes that each Princess is "constantly shifting into something new."
  • The Base Princess got a full Varies rating, her 9-C just being a "usually" since she's practically a blank slate by this point.
  • The other Princesses got a "Varies; Tier" rating cause they have a sort of "baseline" unlike their CH1 counterpart, and won't change as much as a result.
  • I honestly don't know if the Multitude and the Shifting Mound should get Varies ratings, the Multitude does use her vessel's Subjective Reality to make the Long Quiet forget each route and the "heart" of Shifting Mound is only capable of fixing the construct cause the Long Quiet believes she can.
• Gave all the CH2 and CH3 Princesses "Enhanced Subjective Reality" cause it starts influencing her surroundings, instead of just herself.
• The Princess' never really called the Chapter II and III titles, so I just removed em from her name section.
• Put all the connected Princesses in the same key. (Not counting the Shared Routes)
• Also kinda changed the AP order a bit to always have the Shared Route Final Princesses (Wraith, Fury, Wild) after their previous incarnations, cause it sorta doesn't make sense to have the Wraith before the Nightmare when her AP section mentions the Nightmare and as such.
• Gave all the Princesses Standard Tactics sections. The Base Princess' one is the most detailed cause hers is fully determined by how she's viewed. The CH2 and 3 Princesses' ones start by describing how their Subjective Reality would warp their surroundings before going on about how they fight.
• Added another weakness for all the Princesses: "Only the thoughts of a "living being" are capable of shaping the Princess."
  • The Narrator and The Awakened Long Quiet aren't considered living beings, not sure if it would also extend to sentient robots and such.

Specific Changes​

• The Princess
  
  • Removed her "Immortality (Type 2, 4, and 8)"
    • She doesn't "only need her heart in order to remain alive" as the Prisoner does actually die if we don't take her head with us, which from an in-verse perspective would be the Long Quiet not believing her to be still be alive, she's a perception-based entity afterall. We can also just kill the Princess without ever hitting her heart in the CH1 fight that leads to the Witch. "Heart's still beating. That's all she needs." would really only apply to the Razor.
    • The "whenever she dies she reincarnates into a new form" isn't something she herself does, but a byproduct of the construct, and its something that only occurs if the Long Quiet dies, not the Princess.
  • Removed her "Resistance to Pain Manipulation"
    
    • The justification is "Completely unfazed by cutting off her own arm" a.k.a she has really good pain tolerance, which is just Stamina.
    • She feels pain. (E.g. The Beast cries out in "pained surprise" when we fight back, and even says "That hurt.")
  • She's a full Varies rating, as previously stated.
  • Superhuman -> Up to Class 50 (CALC NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED)
  • Likely Infinite -> Usually Superhuman
    
    • The current justification describes a Varies rating, not an Infinite one.
    • She gets tired.
  • Average -> Usually Above Average
  • Added new weakness: "Shackled to the far wall of the basement by one arm and is usually unable to break free on her own, often resorting to chewing through her own arm to do so."
• The Witch/Thorn
  
  • Added Bodily Weaponry
  • Added Enhanced Senses
  • Went into more detail in regards to her Plant Manipulation
  • She has the Pristine Blade as the Thorn and uses it as the Witch, so I decided to listed it in her AP, like we do for the Long Quiet.
  • 9-B with plant manipulation -> At least 9-C with the roots of the Wild
    
    • I think the current justification is referencing the Thorn's cabin, but that's more the result of the Princess' Subjective Reality than anything else, in fact, the Narrator implies that it was burned rather than destroyed by the thorns.
    • I replaced it with the Witch's "crush you with me" root attack thingy.
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman
  • Average -> Usually Above Average
  • Added new weaknesses: "The Witch's paranoia is self-destructive and often irrational.https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Adem_Warlock69/ThePrincessAdditionMaybe#cite_note-CHWI-2 The Thorn is wrapped in thorns, unable to move, as any attempt to do so would result in the thorns tearing into her arm."
• The Grey
  
  • Incorporeality -> Selective Intangibility
    
    • Collective Consensus.
  • Added Weather Manipulation
  • Added Necromancy
  • 9-C -> Unknown. Low 7-B Environmental Destruction with Weather Manipulation
    
    • Don't know why this one was scaled to the Base Princess, she's a ghost, that while can still interact with her environment, is still seen as harmless.
  • Athletic Human -> Unknown
  • Superhuman -> Unknown
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman
  • Average -> Average to Gifted
    
    • One for the "Burned" Grey and one for the "Drowned" Grey
  • Added new weakness: "Seemingly unable to harm others directly."
• The Spectre
  
  • Invisibility -> Selective Intangibility
    
    • Honestly don't know where Invisibility came from lel
  • Added Durability Negation
  • Added Limited Possession
  • Athletic Human -> At least Athletic Human
  • Unknown -> Superhuman
  • Likely Infinite -> Likely Superhuman
  • Added new weaknesses: "The Spectre becomes solid when interacting with anything physical and is generally opposed to conflict. Doesn't gain control of the body she possesses and dies if the host body dies."
  • Grievances:
    
    • No clue what to do with the Spectre's cold aura/touch thing, I think it should be listed in her PnA, but don't know what to list it as.
• The Nightmare/Moment of Clarity
  
  • Biological Manipulation -> Paralysis Inducement, Biological Manipulation and Fear Aura (Overwhelming)
  • Added Regeneration (Likely Mid-Low)
  • Added Possibly Teleportation
  • Added Immortality (Type 1) (Moment of Clarity exclusive)
  • Added Additional Limbs (Moment of Clarity exclusive)
  • 9-C -> At least 9-C, at least 9-Bas the Moment of Clarity
    
    • Gave her an "At least" due the amount of hype the Nightmare gets before we encounter her.
    • The Moment of Clarity is 9-B for basically the same reason as the Razor is.
  • Athletic Human -> At least Athletic Human
  • Superhuman -> Class 50 (CALC NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED)
  • Likely Infinite -> Infinite
    
    • Honestly this should probably only apply to her Moment of Clarity, but the Nightmare has nothing in terms of Stamina.
  • Average -> Above Average
  • Added new weakness: "Sadistic, getting a kick out of watching the Long Quiet struggle to survive."
  • Grievances:
    
    • No clue what to do with the Nightmare's static creation thing and how her basement "isn't meant for a creature of flesh and blood" impacts her, I think it should be listed in her PnA, but don't know what to list it as.
• The Wraith
  
  • Added Selective Intangibility
  • At least 9-C -> 9-C
  • Athletic Human -> Unknown
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman
  • Average -> Average to Above Average
    
    • One for the "Spectre" Wraith and one for the "Nightmare" Wraith
  • Added new weakness: "The Wraith is more concerned with leaving the cabin than anything else."
• The Beast/Den
  
  • Added Stealth Mastery
  • Added Acid Manipulation
  • Athletic Human -> Superhuman
    
    • In addition to the justification in the rework, most mammals of this size are in this area of speed.
  • Superhuman -> Class 50 (CALC NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED)
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman
  • Average -> Above Average
  • Added new weakness: "Vulnerable to attacks from the inside if she succeeds in swallowing her opponent."
• The Adversary/Eye of the Needle
  
  • Added Bodily Weaponry
  • Separated the Immortal Adversary from the initial one; she only really became like that in one route and it doesn't apply to the Eye of the Needle
  • Immortality (Type 2) -> Immortality (Type 1, 2 and 3)
    
    • We already list it as so in her CH1 tab.
    • Her wounds mend.
  • At least Athletic Human , higher as the Eye of the Needle -> At least Athletic Human
    
    • Nothing indicates she got faster as the Eye of the Needle, in fact, the Long Quiet is faster than her when she becomes the Eye of the Needle.
  • Superhuman -> Class 50 (CALC NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED)
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman, potentially Infinite
  • Added new weakness: "The Adversary will only engage her opponent if they're fully prepared or should they attempt to flee."
• The Tower/Apotheosis
  
  • More detail in regards to her Body Puppetry
  • Added Telepathy
  • Added Death Manipulation
  • Added Flight
  • Added Light Generation (Apotheosis exclusive)
  • At least Class K -> Class M (CALC NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED)
  • Average -> Unknown
    
    • She doesn't really display any intel feats, but average doesn't seem right, with her being basically a "god" to the Long Quiet.
  • Likely Infinite -> Likely Superhuman
  • Added new weakness: "Extremely arrogant and believes herself to be invincible."
• The Fury
  
  • Added Large Size (Type 0)
  • Her Biological Manipulation requires her to clench her fists, so I added that detail.
  • At least 9-B, Low 2-C -> Likely 9-C
    
    • I talked about it a bit above this post lel
    • I'm a hater
  • Superhuman via size -> Unknown
    
    • She is not that big.
  • At least Class K -> Unknown
    
    • The calc is for the Adversary breaking her chains. She legit can't break her chains.
  • Average -> Unknown
    
    • Girl has two minutes of screentime.
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman, possibly Infinite
  • Added new weakness: "Her chest and rib cage is ripped open, exposing her heart."
• The Razor
  
  • Separated her abilities per chapter, she goes from having visibly normal bones to metal ones.
  • Added ratings for her normal human form, instead of just her big skeleton blade form.
  • Average -> Unknown
    
    • She is an awful liar, but is pretty capable in fights, tricking the Long Quiet and such.
    • Honestly forgot to write her one, sorry
  • Likely Infinite -> Superhuman
  • Added new weaknesses: "The Razor needs to cut off her arm to free herself from her chains. Most vulnerable as the Empty Cup, since she exposes her beating heart to the open."
• The Wild
  
  • Added new weakness: "Her fusion is very fragile and making her focus on her past grievances would tear it apart."
• The Multitude and the Shifting Mound
  
  • Nothing really these two do be rushed a bit
  • Grievances:
    
    • As previously mentioned, don't know if I should give em a Varies rating or not.
    • The Multitude is able to stop us from taking decisions we already have done and stops us from getting the "Good" Ending, seems like Causality Manipulation, although she needs to get a vessel first, so I dunno how to list it.
    • The Multitude also becomes a "living contradiction" by the third vessel, but again don't know if the key we have is for it without any vessels or not.
    • Where does the Multitude name come from? She's usually called the Shifting Mound (Unawakened) from what I've seen.
    • I feel like the Shifting Mound should be given an "At least" before her actual rating due to the Absolute Reality thing, afterall, it'd have made the Shifting Mound and the Long Quiet 1-A if the Narrator wasn't able to interact with them. That's just me tho

Btw I think this speed should be changed.

(Is half of reality and existence personified, with her other half being the non-existence of reality[23])

Since The Long Quiet isn't really the "non-existence" part of duality and The Shifting Mound herself was also demonstrated to encompass both sides of duality. TLQ is like the "emptiness" or space change has to operate on while The Shifting Mound is literally just change/differentiation itself.

 

[Qawsedf234]

• Where does the Multitude name come from? She's usually called the Shifting Mound (Unawakened) from what I've seen

I wanna say it came from a collection of the following lines:

And yet my waters flow and my streets bustle. There are no words that can describe me into non-existence. There is no logic that can bind my multitudes.

The desires of my multitude thrive in endless competition with themselves, but none of them rise above their dance to influence me.

One. Whatever you bring me next will be enough, and then gravity will pull the others back to me. I will be singular. A final multitude.

But technically speaking the Shifting Mound itself is just the final stage of a Multitude. So the name isn't technically wrong but it may be misapplied.

But if no one else has issues with it I can make any changes needed for TLQ and just upload the profiles.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I feel like the Shifting Mound should be given an "At least" before her actual rating due to the Absolute Reality thing, afterall, it'd have made the Shifting Mound and the Long Quiet 1-A if the Narrator wasn't able to interact with them. That's just me tho

To add, the new system treats an anti-feat like that as a hard stop. You're right in saying that if they just split and the Narrator exploited their weakened states they'd be 1-A to High 1-A+, but the fact that he can interact with them just torpedoes that line immediately and it can't be used. The only scaling is from going above the construct.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

To add, the new system treats an anti-feat like that as a hard stop. You're right in saying that if they just split and the Narrator exploited their weakened states they'd be 1-A to High 1-A+, but the fact that he can interact with them just torpedoes that line immediately and it can't be used. The only scaling is from going above the construct.

I definitely get 1-A but how is it High 1-A+ ?

 

[Qawsedf234]

I definitely get 1-A but how is it High 1-A+ ?

Taken at face value the concept of Absolute Reality would get you pretty high into the Tiering System afaik. Like how Negative Theology could also get you to that level.