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"Never said" should just be assumed neutral until specified.
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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)
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Magicomethkuon
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In this reply you demonstrated the reason for this RVR. This kind of thinking treats all the input provided in the thread before this one about the same subject matter as if it didn't exist. Including Abstractions, people cast a vote, and the vote was not in line with the proposal. I am not making an interpretation. I am stating what was seen in the thread.
Abstractions voted in the last thread, at the very last page, when the same proposal was already plain to see multiple times. It was not never said as Strym keeps claiming. Further backing this up, Abstractions also said that the reason to not stop and address other things in the thread was that the subject currently debated in it, although another, was something being argued against a third time after two prior rejections and thus it took all the focus.
I wouldn't make a claim without basis. But bringing everything collected in relation to this, either on the part that concerns me or others like behaviour and this matter, there's significant content. I just think a total vote count is most fair.
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I am not counting votes which disagree when they don't exist, and if someone is gonna change my mind, is definitely not you.
Show them disagreeing with "at least".
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It was never for the "at least" part of AP. It was about the hax.
Magicomethkuon
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In the vast majority of votes cast, there was not an At Least included in the description. The subject was brought up to all in the thread, no one changed their mind or included the stance in their vote. Anyone who clicks in the first CRT that finished on monday will see that everything I said happened, did happen. It's only logical to count the votes as seen instead of assuming on one's own that all the people involved conveniently didn't include a rating that is being argued for. Then ignore the votes as written for any X number of possible reasons we can try and imagine. About why, on top of saying what their vote was, they also didn't go out of their way to write I am not on board with this when you can see that from reading the vote that they have just cast.
I am not trying to convince you. I am trying to say this line of thinking decides what votes are being counted based on what a single person thinks is correct instead of following what happened.
Magicomethkuon
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This is turning circular, so this is my last reply unless requested by staff. I'm in total agreements with what they decide in the end, what I had to say already has been. I'll leave saying that I have nothing against your person and this is strictly what I think would be better for the thread so. See you somewhere.
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This is you assuming they disagreed with it, but they never did, as DDM said, if they did not express anything on it, the most obvious conclusion is that they've been neutral or they simply ignored it.
You don't expect them to read literally everything in a 8 pages long thread, right?
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Ignoring that this report was almost definitely not made in good faith, it's just a huge nothing burger resulting from a minor mistake Shion and Styrm made during the process of these threads.
Usually, "at least" would go in front of a tier that is a clear lower interpretation. In the case of "Low 2-C, possibly 2-A" it does make a lot of sense and isn't really a controversial thing to do. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they probably just didn't think too much of it when applying it to the page. Rather than them knowingly applying something contradictory or rejected.
And, from what I know, this topic wasn't even talked about by staff on the thread.
I can't help but think that this report was made out of a personal vendetta or bias against Styrm and/or the Bill Cipher upgrades in general, which seem to be affecting other users like Mariogoods as well.
That being said, I do think that Styrm and Shion could be a lot better in their handling of arguments, especially on CRTs. Things always seem to get nearly out of hand with them, and they often are not the best at giving their side of things.
Usually, "at least" would go in front of a tier that is a clear lower interpretation. In the case of "Low 2-C, possibly 2-A" it does make a lot of sense and isn't really a controversial thing to do. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they probably just didn't think too much of it when applying it to the page. Rather than them knowingly applying something contradictory or rejected.
And, from what I know, this topic wasn't even talked about by staff on the thread.
I can't help but think that this report was made out of a personal vendetta or bias against Styrm and/or the Bill Cipher upgrades in general, which seem to be affecting other users like Mariogoods as well.
That being said, I do think that Styrm and Shion could be a lot better in their handling of arguments, especially on CRTs. Things always seem to get nearly out of hand with them, and they often are not the best at giving their side of things.
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I largely agree that the matter of vote manipulation is, even in the worst case scenario, very close to a nothingburger. Personally I am more concerned about this aspect of it, given that Strym is recently returning from a ban and ShionAH has also been warned for similar issues in August and February.
This incident doesn't really rise to the level of action beyond a warning, so if there are no objections from other staff I will simply add Lephyr's in-thread warnings to each of them to the official tracker and we can move on from this for now.
Magicomethkuon
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All of my replies have been kept civil while constantly under unnecessary aggressive behaviour from the person in question. And from the looks of replies so far, it's not the first instance of bad behaviour from the other two. You can decide as you will when it comes to the thread, but suggesting that I am acting in bad faith here or making this some sort of personal vendetta when looking at the track record of this whole conversation is entirely unwarranted and works on a personal level rather than anything regarding threads. If you want to reject the entire topic, go right ahead. Take whichever grounds you desire on the topic at hand. But raising accusations like that on me based on what you think is the case? Not remotely fair.
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hi, I didn't think I had to reduce myself to this. I apologize for writing this here, but the more staff who know what is going on the better.
Some Tokyo Revengers supporters are going over the limit.
Currently there are open 6 threads or maybe more on this verse. Another one has been opened and they all have at least 2 common points that are being discussed in each thread. It is becoming impossible to make small revisions. Some supporters do not realize that they are being too pushy and sometimes unkind. I don't have the desire and time to discuss the same points every time in 10 different threads with the problem that an argument may pass as valid when it is not.
I apologize again for the problem ( I probably shouldn't even write it here and I apologize again for that). I am throwing at you but I have no power except to ask you for help. I hope you can intervene by handling this or closing some threads, this one in particular makes no sense for now.
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Some Tokyo Revengers supporters are going over the limit.
Currently there are open 6 threads or maybe more on this verse. Another one has been opened and they all have at least 2 common points that are being discussed in each thread. It is becoming impossible to make small revisions. Some supporters do not realize that they are being too pushy and sometimes unkind. I don't have the desire and time to discuss the same points every time in 10 different threads with the problem that an argument may pass as valid when it is not.
I apologize again for the problem ( I probably shouldn't even write it here and I apologize again for that). I am throwing at you but I have no power except to ask you for help. I hope you can intervene by handling this or closing some threads, this one in particular makes no sense for now.
THREADS: (I list them in order of opening)
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I agree with this.
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good to see around, but don't worry brother, this is called rules violation report for a reason
the max number of threads you can open about a specific verse is 3, 6 is double that, so your report is valid....
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Not sure I should comment here but removing n6 rather than removing n3,n4 and n5 is really weird since n6 literally covers all of the topics those 3 threads present. They are also created by the same user and the user was already warned about spamming threads.
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I'll add that this user has been rude in every single discussion I've seen them in. Both myself and Lephyr have warned them before.
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You're both being fairly aggressive in your phrasing, although he definitely dipped further into outright insulting than you did. Still, I think both parties could do to calm down. Uncertain if a rule violation should be handed out here, I think it's an extremely borderline case, so I'll defer to other staff members on this one.
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Oh, already did a thing here
Mr. Bambu
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Actually, if he's been warned before, then action should probably be taken, because he does seem like the aggressor here. I note that these warnings aren't on the Tracker, so if he has been warned in an official capacity, could I ask how many you're aware of? If it's a large number, I'd be fine with action being taken.
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Two that I'm definitively aware of. And this makes three.
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I permabanned.
I also agree with this but I don't have too much knowledge on the user.
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As pointed out by @Dereck03 here the user @HollowVanity has applied several changes to tokyo revengers character without first doing any form of CRT first and even after the changed were reverted by Ant he seemingly reapplied them anyways
Post in thread 'Justice for Tokyo Revengers.' https://vsbattles.com/threads/justice-for-tokyo-revengers.158699/post-6050446
Post in thread 'Justice for Tokyo Revengers.' https://vsbattles.com/threads/justice-for-tokyo-revengers.158699/post-6050446
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Thanks and sorry to bring this back up as I figured we were done with this but can we check is hollow is a sock of vapourr because he joined just earlier this month, and has only been interested in tokyo revengers, seemingly having knowledge on how we handle our calculations and wiki practices, he also makes comments like this
Tokyo Revengers - Izana Outpaces A Gun To Save Kakucho (REVISED)
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Asking about why its always hard to get TR speed feats accepted on the wiki "when the feats are so obvious" which is kinda strange for the behaviour for someone brand new here imo, there's not really much here he just feels the same but I could just be off beat here.
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Oh damn okay this was already brought up, will read now
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YO PLEASE think and look at the tr general discussion thread before making a report 
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Jesus christ
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My brother in christ the CRT isn't accepted and no crt was linked in the edits so ofc we didn't know there was one.YO PLEASE think and look at the tr general discussion thread before making a report
Post in thread 'Taiju's Multiplier Is CRAZY' https://vsbattles.com/threads/taijus-multiplier-is-crazy.158566/post-6048314
And actually having just checked Ant specifically told you it wasn't accepted yet and you said it was anyways
Post in thread 'Tokyo Revengers Discussion Thread!' https://vsbattles.com/threads/tokyo-revengers-discussion-thread.118219/post-6050416
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YO PLEASE think and look at the tr general discussion thread before making a report
Okay, first of all it is not my responsibility to start searching as much thread as possible to verify if the changes applied were accepted or not, besides we have a rule that dictates that you always link the CRT where the changes were accepted when changing the profile stats and it is even more suspicious when Ant himself had reverted the edits you made.
So it's not my fault you haven't been following our rules regarding this.
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"Okay. That seems fine then, but I think that I reverted several of Hollow's edits earlier today, since they seemed unapproved.
Would you be willing to properly handle all of the these edits instead?"
I wasn't asked but the edits are still allowed
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What are your rules ? I just edited a page, how am I meant to tell you what I did to the pages and link the CRT they came from, can you tell me how so I don't do it again in the future ?
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The CRT needs to be accepted first which im sure you're aware of, you were specifically told to not do the edits by Ant and had them reverted but still after that chose to say it was accepted anyways.
I'm not understanding why you're all of a sudden acting like you don't know the wiki standards and rules when you understood them before this
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It was accepted ? Can you read through the CRT ? Firestorm accepted a possibly class 25 ? I even typed it in the little box at the bottom when making edits but they were still reverted ?? Is there another place where I type them or something
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When making significative changes you have to link the CRT were the changes has been accepted. Check the below image for reference.
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/870395307312169063/1154665091472568361/image.png
Otherwise your changes will be marked as vandalism or unauthorized changes and will be reverted and depending on the number of changes even reported.
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Can u revert my changes back
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like this
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@Dalesean027 have you checked that the changes were legit applied? If so then i'll do so.
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I'll just go ahead and say the use of the calc is fine for that thread so it has CGM approval behind it and is actually accepted for a change but aside from that he needs to actually link the calc on profile and the verse page, as well as find a new justification for this profile as we don't use blocking attacks as justification for LS so this shouldn't apply to this profile
