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Dragon Ball GT Immortalities Evil Dragons

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The evil dragons of Dragon Ball are a group of seven evil beings that were born from the negative energy generated by the excessive use of the dragon balls. They appear in the anime Dragon Ball GT and each of them has a dragon ball on their forehead.
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Nuova Shenron type 4 immortality

He was killed and then reborn through the four-star sphere itself because of the evil energy obtained through Omega (thus being able to restore his entire body completely)

Type 8 Immortality for Evil Dragons

Whenever dragon balls are used in excess and this happens through a certain concept, which is the excessive use of dragon balls. So while there may be excessive use of Dragon Balls they will always appear
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Dragon Ball GT databook

THE LAST WISH

The last wish Goku asked the Dragon God to grant was to return Earth to the way it was before. Goku felt responsible for polluting the Earth with the negative energy caused by the overuse of the Dragon Balls, and thought that he should return it to what it was. The Dragon Balls, having fulfilled Goku's last wish, disappeared with him.

In the anime it is portrayed that excessive use of Dragon Balls happens and using them too much brings disorder to nature.



This happened other times in another cosmos, it was stated by lord Popo that the evil dragon appeared after the excess of spheres on a planet and destroyed everything.

History of the saga of the evil dragons taken from the Toei website

A dragon ball that he tried to use to restore the land devastated in the battle against the other world. However, due to the excessive use of the Dragon Balls, seven evil dragons are born. Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan 4 while battling a host of powerful evil dragons! In order to absorb all the power of the Dragon Balls and defeat Ishinron, who possesses great power, a fusion between Super Saiyan 4s!?
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In addition to Sheilong mentioning that he would remove the existence of the Dragon spheres so that this cannot happen anymore






Short summary of what will happen to the characters

Evil dragons will have type 8 immortality due to overuse of Dragon Balls and be able to come back every time with overuse, already proved above
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Nuova Shenron will have type 4 immortality due to him having returned from his death, after the Omega killed him, and in addition to declaring several times to have been reborn from the sphere and killed
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Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus, @Lonkitt, @Borutonarutodebunked, @Hasty12345, @Matrixxxx, @Nullflowerblush ( parece concordar ) @Vietthai96

Disagree: @omegabronic (disagree with some things, but agree with limited), @BestMGQScalerEver ( agrees with Omega), @LordGriffin1000 (Agrees with Omega), @ShakeResounding

Neutral:
 
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:




Nuova Shenron type 4 immortality

He was killed and then reborn through the four-star sphere itself because of the evil energy obtained through Omega (thus being able to restore his entire body completely)
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short of agreed, but it would be limited since he needs omega shenron to give him evil energy for him to revive

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Type 8 Immortality for Evil Dragons



At the end of DBZ Budokai 3, Omega Shenron said that he will always exist as long as the concept of overuse of Dragon Ball exists.

Nothing in the game changes story about work, everything is taken from it, I think it's valid, since both happen the same way, apart from which work uses this to demonstrate.
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1 it is a game, not canon and as such no information from it can be used for the main canon
2 the game does change the story about the work, the scene you just showed where omega said that didn't happen in GT for example
3 i see nothing about "concept of using the dragon balls" so i don't know how you reached that it is concept based at all

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Dragon Ball GT databook

THE LAST WISH

The last wish Goku asked the Dragon God to grant was to return Earth to the way it was before. Goku felt responsible for polluting the Earth with the negative energy caused by the overuse of the Dragon Balls, and thought that he should return it to what it was. The Dragon Balls, having fulfilled Goku's last wish, disappeared with him.

In the anime it is portrayed that excessive use of Dragon Balls happens and using them too much brings disorder to nature.



This happened other times in another cosmos, it was stated by lord Popo that the evil dragon appeared after the excess of spheres on a planet and destroyed everything.

History of the saga of the evil dragons taken from the Toei website



site


In addition to Sheilong mentioning that he would remove the existence of the Dragon spheres so that this cannot happen anymore



Short summary of what will happen to the characters
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Don't see why any of the talk about the overuse poluting the planet was needed, regardless, i agree on immortality type 8, but it would not be combat aplicable as they would need the dragon balls to be overused to get revived, so it would also be "limited" immortality, and it would also be type 4 just like nuova, type 8 is having other types of immortality as long as something exists to grant it, this being the dragon balls, so it would be:

Immortality type 4 and 8 (Not combat aplicable, Every time the dragon balls are overused the shadow dragons will appear due to the evil energy accumulated in them)
 
omegabronic said:
short of agreed, but it would be limited since he needs omega shenron to give him evil energy for him to revive


1 it is a game, not canon and as such no information from it can be used for the main canon
2 the game does change the story about the work, the scene you just showed where omega said that didn't happen in GT for example
3 i see nothing about "concept of using the dragon balls" so i don't know how you reached that it is concept based at all


Don't see why any of the talk about the overuse poluting the planet was needed, regardless, i agree on immortality type 8, but it would not be combat aplicable as they would need the dragon balls to be overused to get revived, so it would also be "limited" immortality, and it would also be type 4 just like nuova, type 8 is having other types of immortality as long as something exists to grant it, this being the dragon balls, so it would be:

Immortality type 4 and 8 (Not combat aplicable, Every time the dragon balls are overused the shadow dragons will appear due to the evil energy accumulated in them)
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I'm going to put you as disagree, okay?
 
I agree with the Immortality additions as it does come from the Dragon Balls, but I would prefer using the Anime as an example rather than Budokai 3.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:




Nuova Shenron type 4 immortality

He was killed and then reborn through the four-star sphere itself because of the evil energy obtained through Omega (thus being able to restore his entire body completely)

Type 8 Immortality for Evil Dragons



At the end of DBZ Budokai 3, Omega Shenron said that he will always exist as long as the concept of overuse of Dragon Ball exists.

Nothing in the game changes story about work, everything is taken from it, I think it's valid, since both happen the same way, apart from which work uses this to demonstrate.

Dragon Ball GT databook

THE LAST WISH

The last wish Goku asked the Dragon God to grant was to return Earth to the way it was before. Goku felt responsible for polluting the Earth with the negative energy caused by the overuse of the Dragon Balls, and thought that he should return it to what it was. The Dragon Balls, having fulfilled Goku's last wish, disappeared with him.

In the anime it is portrayed that excessive use of Dragon Balls happens and using them too much brings disorder to nature.



This happened other times in another cosmos, it was stated by lord Popo that the evil dragon appeared after the excess of spheres on a planet and destroyed everything.

History of the saga of the evil dragons taken from the Toei website



site


In addition to Sheilong mentioning that he would remove the existence of the Dragon spheres so that this cannot happen anymore






Short summary of what will happen to the characters





Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus

Disagree: @omegabronic (disagree with some things, but agree with limited), @BestMGQScalerEver ( agrees with Omega)

Neutral:
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I agree with your suggestions. For the bringing disorder to nature, elder kaioshin mentions that the dragon ball are like "cosmic cheat codes" and can hurl the cosmos order into chaos. So this should possibly warrant chaos manipulation, the power of disorter opposed to order.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I agree with the Immortality additions as it does come from the Dragon Balls, but I would prefer using the Anime as an example rather than Budokai 3.
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opinions on this DDM?
Borutonarutodebunked said:
I agree with your suggestions. For the bringing disorder to nature, elder kaioshin mentions that the dragon ball are like "cosmic cheat codes" and can hurl the cosmos order into chaos. So this should possibly warrant chaos manipulation, the power of disorter opposed to order.
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omegabronic said:
short of agreed, but it would be limited since he needs omega shenron to give him evil energy for him to revive


1 it is a game, not canon and as such no information from it can be used for the main canon
2 the game does change the story about the work, the scene you just showed where omega said that didn't happen in GT for example
3 i see nothing about "concept of using the dragon balls" so i don't know how you reached that it is concept based at all


Don't see why any of the talk about the overuse poluting the planet was needed, regardless, i agree on immortality type 8, but it would not be combat aplicable as they would need the dragon balls to be overused to get revived, so it would also be "limited" immortality, and it would also be type 4 just like nuova, type 8 is having other types of immortality as long as something exists to grant it, this being the dragon balls, so it would be:

Immortality type 4 and 8 (Not combat aplicable, Every time the dragon balls are overused the shadow dragons will appear due to the evil energy accumulated in them)
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Is agree with omega's points. Immortality 4 and 8 are ok but it needs to be explained that it's not combat applicable.
 
Aside from the fact Omega Shenron absolutely does not says “concept of the overuse of dragon balls exist” as well as the fact that evidence is from a non canon video game, the CRT is fine.
 
Hasty12345 said:
Aside from the fact Omega Shenron absolutely does not says “concept of the overuse of dragon balls exist” as well as the fact that evidence is from a non canon video game, the CRT is fine.
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In fact, the Kaioshins say that exactly that, I put the concept because that is basically what works in the anime, in the game there is no mention of the concept either, but the mention of the excessive use of Dragon spheres, has more than 4 scan citing this, please don't just read from the game.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
In fact, the Kaioshins say that exactly that, I put the concept because that is basically what works in the anime, in the game there is no mention of the concept either, but the mention of the excessive use of Dragon spheres, has more than 4 scan citing this, please don't just read from the game.
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If there is no mention of concept at all. Why are you saying that it is conceptual based?
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Is agree with omega's points. Immortality 4 and 8 are ok but it needs to be explained that it's not combat applicable.
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In fact, you would have to eliminate all the negative energy that is caused by the excess spheres to defeat the evil dragons (so that they can return to what they were before), killing just one will not help, as they are made of energy and evil energy. can bring them back, like case that happened with 4 sphere, right here it is mentioned that you need to purify the evil energy to end it

Goku at the end of episode 63 had to use genki dama to purify all negative energy (it was said that it is the only way to kill evil dragons), purifying all evil energy.

Could I come again, bro?
 
Hey, look, scans from the original Japanese dialogue! Kudos!
おめでとうございます!
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Nuova Shenron type 4 immortality

He was killed and then reborn through the four-star sphere itself because of the evil energy obtained through Omega (thus being able to restore his entire body completely)
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No.

Type 4 Immortality requires that the user can resurrect/reincarnate indefinitely. However, Nuova Shenron was only able to return to life because Omega Shenron restored life to his Dragon Ball with his Negative Energy. This is a Resurrection feat for Omega Shenron, not an Immortality feat for Nuova Shenron.
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Type 8 Immortality for Evil Dragons
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Agree, just cut that Budokai shit out.
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Could I come again, bro?
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Yes, please do.
And this time, return with evidence of Immortality on a conceptual-based level, and not an energy-based level.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Hey, look, scans from the original Japanese dialogue! Kudos!
おめでとうございます!

No.

Type 4 Immortality requires that the user can resurrect/reincarnate indefinitely. However, Nuova Shenron was only able to return to life because Omega Shenron restored life to his Dragon Ball with his Negative Energy. This is a Resurrection feat for Omega Shenron, not an Immortality feat for Nuova Shenron.

Agree, just cut that Budokai shit out.

Yes, please do.
And this time, return with evidence of Immortality on a conceptual-based level, and not an energy-based level.
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Nullflower comedian 😭
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
In fact, the Kaioshins say that exactly that, I put the concept because that is basically what works in the anime, in the game there is no mention of the concept either, but the mention of the excessive use of Dragon spheres, has more than 4 scan citing this, please don't just read from the game.
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I don’t disagree with type 8 immortality, I disagree with it being concept reliant type 8.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:


In fact, you would have to eliminate all the negative energy that is caused by the excess spheres to defeat the evil dragons (so that they can return to what they were before), killing just one will not help, as they are made of energy and evil energy.
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Goku killed all of them sans from omega by just killing them, they certainly can be killed normally, it is just that when the evil energy in the dragon balls get overused after dozens of years of them being used non stop they simply get brought back from saif energy

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
can bring them back, like case that happened with 4 sphere, right here it is mentioned that you need to purify the evil energy to end it
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Yeah, you need to do that so the dragon balls won't get overflowing with evil energy and they get revived, they certainly can't revive every time they die after this process however

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Goku at the end of episode 63 had to use genki dama to purify all negative energy (it was said that it is the only way to kill evil dragons), purifying all evil energy.
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No idea where you got "purify" from when all goku was concerned there was purely power, which makes sense since Omega could regenerate
 
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