The Magical Girl Illya-Chan fights the Witch of Envy. Pretty normal magical girl episode

[Fezzih_007]

Satella is High 6-C
Illya is in her Magical Key, and have only the Rider class card
Speed equal
Fight takes place on the forest near of Arlam village.
Start distance is 50 meters
Satella scales from 101.8 gigatons, and Illya scales for 962 gigatons, but her Bellorephon which is 1 teratton.

Spoiler: Fights conditions

Illya is chilling on her room holding the Rider class card on her hands, and remembering her first fight, while talking about with Ruby about. Then a flash of light covers her room and suddendly glows bright, and for the light appears Gohan Blanco for Dragon Ball X. He explain that Sans kinda spill ketchup on some the timelines, and messed them up. He needs help to deal with them, and ask Illya to help. Gohan can't deal with all of them because there's too many, and he send other people to the timelines that don't have much distortions. He ask Illya for help because he asked Fezzih who he should send to the Re:ZERO world, and i said and then HE said to send Illya, because HE(not me) was reading the manga at the moment. He explained these all in Mexican without noticing, because he just send El Tigre to the world of Dora the Explorer and forgot to change his translator, so Illya who lives on Japan was like "What the heck?", and before she can can say something, he sends her there.

In the Re:ZERO world, Satella have breaked free for her seal, and is rampaging near where Subaru is. The reason is because Subaru "Insert reason here, can be whenever you imagining" and also kinda is unconscious. Illya appears from a portal. While being confused as hell, she sees Satella destroying the area and killing people, so she decides to stop her.
There's no one around.

So bassicaly she knows Satella is dangerous.
The rest is SBA

Subaru always said to me, “Be envied, not envious.”
I’m so pissed off I didn’t think of that quote first(The Witch Of Envy):

Versus

All Japanese are Lolicons!(Illya, the magical girl): FantaRin_The_First, AThe1412, Vietthai96,TheKingStrategist13, Fezzih_007


Inconclusive-Chan appears and says "is inco time" and start inco all over the place:

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bu-Wow, i actually did this match, i trought i was dreaming-mp.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bump

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bump

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bump should i do the Wincon for both?

 

[Fezzih_007]

I gonna write wincon for both.

Satella-Tan have:

• Shadows, that can cancel out pyshical attack, meaning only magical attack works
• Slight better lifting strenght, so she can take Ruby out Illya Hands.
• Immortality
• Have a attack that can duraneg.
• Danmaku with 2000 dark hands.
• Time-Manipulation to reset herself
• Better range
• Better stamina

Illya-Kun have:

• 4,73 ap advantage and can one shot with her noble phantasm.
• Better mobility in the air, because of flight
• Have shield to protect of attacks
• Deal with Danmaku before, trought is smaller ones
• Can deal with Imortality using mystic eyes of petrification
• Energy blast for a distance
• Can resist all hax of Satella minus Emphatetic manipulation and stamina Reduction

Probally have more things, but i lazy to think.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bump

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bump

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bumped.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bump

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bump

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bumping

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bump

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bump

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Hm. I vote Illya FRA for this one. She has an AP/Dura advantage that ranges from decently higher than Satella's AP and shields with decent dura to above Satella's AP to a notable degree via Rider card to outright one shot her via NP, she resists a lot of Satella's hax, can deal with her immortality via Rider's eyes, and has the advantage of flight on her side.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Hm. I vote Illya FRA for this one. She has an AP/Dura advantage that ranges from decently higher than Satella's AP and shields with decent dura to above Satella's AP to a notable degree via Rider card to outright one shot her via NP, she resists a lot of Satella's hax, can deal with her immortality via Rider's eyes, and has the advantage of flight on her side.

Ok.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I think the problem with Rider install would be she can't use her shields anymore, so avoiding the duraneg os gonna be hard, but she gets a speed amp for It, so i guess is ok.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Uhh correct me if i am wrong but i dont see Illya having resistance to Satella's passive miasma or frar manipulation. Wouldn't she just go insane and kill herself?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Uhh correct me if i am wrong

Okay

but i dont see Illya having resistance to Satella's passive miasma

Madness, Mind and Soul Manipulation, Illya resist all that.

or frar manipulation.

The heck is that?

Wouldn't she just go insane and kill herself?

No, illya resist.

 

[Vietthai96]

Can resist all hax of Satella minus Emphatetic manipulation

She resist mind hax which also includes all other sub abilities of Mind hax, so she also resist Empathic hax. All Nasuverse resistance like this

Wouldn't she just go insane and kill herself?

No she resist, and at 4D level

 

[Fezzih_007]

She resist mind hax which also includes all other sub abilities of Mind hax, so she also resist Empathic hax. All Nasuverse resistance like this

Wow, that's cool.

Btw, can you spare a vote please?

 

[AThe1412]

The Loli FRA.

 

[Fezzih_007]

The Loli FRA.

Sure

 

[Vietthai96]

How Satella immortality type 2 work??, the scan is only for type 1 not type 2.

Anyway Illya stomp, not only she has stronger AP which get boosted if she use Class Card, resists everything Satella has at 4D level and if Illya use Magic then her magic hax also at 4D level which Satella has no hope to resist, it is even worse if Illya use Class Card like Lancer, with a Gae Bolg which reverse causality to always hit target's heart, attacking Satella at soul, informational and conceptual level

 

[Vietthai96]

Wait, forget that she can only use Rider class due to the match rule, but still blast Satella due to AP difference and her Pertrification hax

Edit: also forget, Rider class card increases her speed as well, and Bellerophon further increases her speed iirc, so she gonna outspeed Satella hard, along with combag experience from class card, Satella has no chance

 

[Fezzih_007]

How Satella immortality type 2 work??, the scan is only for type 1 not type 2.

Not really sure, but apparently this guy, this pet, and the sage(which is ominscentient) din't finda a way to kill her, so we Just hit.

Anyway Illya stomp

Satella does still have Wincons to not consider this a stomp, and she could achived It this Wincons in some way.

, not only she has stronger AP which get boosted if she use Class Card, resists everything Satella has at 4D level and if Illya use Magic then her magic hax

What Magic hax Illya have?

 

[Vietthai96]

Not really sure, but apparently this guy, this pet, and the sage(which is ominscentient) din't finda a way to kill her, so we Just hit.

This........isn't helping tbh

Satella does still have Wincons to not consider this a stomp, and she could achived It this Wincons in some way.

What wincon anyway, from what i see she can't do anything, even if Satella can damage Illya, Illya can just healing, Illya can also time travel to thw past yo redo the fight in case she actually need it, Rider class card gonna make Illya outspeed and out AP Satella

What Magic hax Illya have?

I don't remember much, but since magic in nasuverse capable of attacking at soul, concept and information level, probably Illya can pull out those ***** in the long run

 

[AThe1412]

Just looked at Reid's profile. He has some Conceptual cutting ability, which he used to kill the concept of sound and light, and that didn't kill Satella. Him and the Dragon also has Spatial Hax.

 

[Fezzih_007]

This........isn't helping tbh

I going to ask someone tomorrow.

What wincon anyway, from what i see she can't do anything

She have dura neg illya, which she don't resist, and her Danmaku can overwhelm Illya. She also have better lifting strenght, so she can pin down Illya on the ground to attack her from there. And her immortaly is gonna help tank attacks, when we get around to know about how that work.

Illya can just healing,

How her healing work?

Illya can also time travel to thw past yo redo the fight in case she actually need it

I don't think that's in-character. And she only sends her conscious to the past, How that's gonna help? And i pretty sure she did the time travel with help of Tanaka and kid Gil, can she do It alone? Also, Satella can reverse time. It won't affect Illya, but still, she can use It on herself.

Rider class card gonna make Illya outspeed and out AP Satella

How fast she would be?

I don't remember much, but since magic in nasuverse capable of attacking at soul, concept and information level, probably Illya can pull out those ***** in the long run

She don't have on the profile trought.

 

[Vietthai96]

She have dura neg illya, which she don't resist, and her Danmaku can overwhelm Illya. She also have better lifting strenght, so she can pin down Illya on the ground to attack her from there. And her immortaly is gonna help tank attacks, when we get around to know about how that work

Illya resist Space-Time dura neg

Better LS, did she ever use it in battle, how she gonna pin down Illya

How her immo type 2 work is unknown, and good luck trying to tank Rider class card attacks

How her healing work?

I don't remember tbh, watched the series long ago

I don't think that's in-character. And she only sends her conscious to the past, How that's gonna help? And i pretty sure she did the time travel with help of Tanaka and kid Gil, can she do It alone? Also, Satella can reverse time. It won't affect Illya, but still, she can use It on herself.

Fair enough

How fast she would be?

Pretty fast, probably close to blitzing if she use Rider Noble Phantasm. Bellerophon in Heaven's Feel allow Rider to outspeed a Blackened Saber who get extremely boosted in stats and spam Excalibur Morgan

She don't have on the profile trought.

Magic or Magecraft can do all these shit by default though, still probably i'm not gonna dive into these territory

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What is the fascination with putting Re Zero cast with the smurf Nasuverse?

Like Re Zero top tiers are vague, i can look away when it comes to Reinhard or even Reid, since we have a good grasp of a lot what they can do, but Satella is a big mystery.

For people asking about Satella's immortality we don't know to what extent it works for now, cause that's endgame stuff, and we are only halfway into the story, so what's there now, types 1 and 2 are a lowball, yes Reid can kill concepts, yes Flugel is supposedly omniscient, but why exactly they can't kill Satella, and how exactly her immortality works, is unknown, we just knew she can't age or die.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Got curious and gave a look at this, so here are my two little cents things:

Illya scales for 216.2 gigatons

No, her normal self downscale a unknow amount from 962 gigatons, same with her nerfed Class Cards, so she have an ap advantage of around around x9.44.

How her healing work?

Just watched the first season (couldn't reach the good parts) several years ago, but if I have to guess based on her servant profile I suppose it probably come from the mysterious drug Ruby have, that or just one of the aid spells that Ruby can give. With Caster Card she sure can use healing magic as Medea is an expert with it.

And I share Pegasus opinion, is better if characters with a know skillset are used instead of people like Satella as fights with them are always speculation due to how little is actually show about them.

 

[Vietthai96]

we are only halfway into the story

Wait, still only halfway, i thought the LN should close to the ending. I still remember watching the first season of anime years ago

 

[Fezzih_007]

Illya resist Space-Time dura neg

Her have other duraneg ability that don't work with space-time.
Durability Negation and Spatial Manipulation (Has the ability to separate space from space as well as the ability to separate objects, regardless of their durability),

Better LS, did she ever use it in battle, how she gonna pin down Illya

She can gonna get Illya with one of her shadows, drags her down on the ground and nuraneg her. She can create 2000 of them.

How her immo type 2 work is unknown, and good luck trying to tank Rider class card attacks

Satella have powernull with physical attacks, so Illya have to go with belhorephon immediality, so she won't get dura neg. Or does her powerlnull resist that too?

Pretty fast, probably close to blitzing if she use Rider Noble Phantasm. Bellerophon in Heaven's Feel allow Rider to outspeed a Blackened Saber who get extremely boosted in stats and spam Excalibur Morgan

Fair, i actually use the Rider Class card due to the speed amp, so she can Dodge Satella Danmaku.

Magic or Magecraft can do all these shit by default though, still probably i'm not gonna dive into these territory

Fair, but If is not on the profile, i don't think we can use here.

What is the fascination with putting Re Zero cast with the smurf Nasuverse?

I like both of the series, i want too SEE the characters beating the crap of each other.
I gonna do It again later.

No, her normal self downscale a unknow amount from 962 gigatons, same with her nerfed Class Cards, so she have an ap advantage of around around x9.44.

I kinda know, but since i couldn't find the right valeu, i use the calc on the page, to lowball her AP, same with Rider each is 2 ranks lower than her normal self, according with the page.
I don't exactly know the AP value, so i just lowball them.

And I share Pegasus opinion, is better if characters with a know skillset are used instead of people like Satella as fights with them are always speculation due to how little is actually show about them.

I also kinda agree, but since Satella appeared a bunch of times already, we can atleast confirme what she can actually do. So i don't think she is complety unusuable.

 

[Vietthai96]

Her have other duraneg ability that don't work with space-time.

lol no, space-time and spatial is most the same, she can resist power can twist and cut space-time to dura neg, so Satella not gonna do a thing

Satella have powernull with physical attacks, so Illya have to go with belhorephon immediality, so she won't get dura neg. Or does her powerlnull resist that too?

yes she resist Power null, also she is a magical girl, her attack gonna be magical anyway

 

[Fezzih_007]

lol no, space-time and spatial is most the same, she can resist power can twist and cut space-time to dura neg, so Satella not gonna do a thing

But her dura neg is different for her spartial Manipulation trought, she can separate space for space, and separate a object regardless of the durability, is two separate ability, the latter don't work with spartial Manipulation.

yes she resist Power null, also she is a magical girl, her attack gonna be magical anyway

I mean more like, in her Rider self, If she Góes with physical attacks, Satella shadows can powernull her attacks, minus bellerephon.

 

[Vietthai96]

But her dura neg is different for her spartial Manipulation trought, she can separate space for space, and separate a object regardless of the durability, is two separate ability, the latter don't work with spartial Manipulation.

sematic argument, space-time and spatial is the same, just due to space and time are connected (space-time) so sometime people have space-time hax

 

[Fezzih_007]

sematic argument, space-time and spatial is the same, just due to space and time are connected (space-time) so sometime people have space-time hax

I know that, Illya is resisting her spartial Manipulation, but she won't resisti the duraneg, that is a different power.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

I kinda know, but since i couldn't find the right valeu, i use the calc on the page, to lowball her AP, same with Rider each is 2 ranks lower than her normal self, according with the page.
I don't exactly know the AP value, so i just lowball them.

Bruh, your lowballing made her x4.44 weaker and reduced the gap with the opponent from x9.44 to x2.12
Ranks aren't super reliable and consistent that make you scale to an specific value depending of the rank, which means that at practical effects anyone scaling to servants are just 962 Gigatons.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bruh, your lowballing made her x4.44 weaker and reduced the gap with the opponent from x9.44 to x2.12

Well, i was using the Caladalbog feat from the wiki to based on my number, but okay i gonna edit the Wincons for her

Ranks aren't super reliable and consistent that make you scale to an specific value depending of the rank, which means that at practical effects anyone scaling to servants are just 962 Gigatons.

Not sure why even mention that they are two Rank lowers then. If they are weaken than the normal Servants, not scaling them fully makes sense.