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Strongest Non-Smurf Low 2-C (Discussion)

deonment said:
Veldora gets merked by both Crota whose interdimensional range allows him to reach and go into spaces 2-A distances away, and while Sertous negs his immo and regen and ggs
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No, it can't do anything at all. It looks like you don't know anything about Veldora.

Dracula cannot defeat Veldora. Veldora's real body resides in 2A imaginary space.
 
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CodeCCLL said:
No, it can't do anything at all. It looks like you don't know anything about Veldora.

Dracula cannot defeat Veldora. Veldora's real body resides in 2A imaginary space.

This also applies to Medea.
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It literally can, it can permanently kill other gods who have all of vVldroa's relevant immoralities and regen, whose true forms and avatars exist across the entire DND multiverse and is far greater than Veldora's 2-A range, in addition, he already has access to spells which can let him reach Imaginary space or can just use Gate and rip Veldora's true self out of imaginary space
CodeCCLL said:
This must really be a joke. You talk without even looking at the profiles of the characters.
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Powers and Abilities: Sublime Paragon Cultivation minus Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), Divine Sense, Pocket Reality Manipulation (Can warp and manipulate the miniature universe inside itself), Large Size (Type 7. Large enough to contain 100,000 galaxies within themselves), Plant Manipulation (Can control virtually all plant life in the universe)
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You are the one not reading the profiles, so please, shut
 
deonment said:
It literally can, it can permanently kill other gods who have all of vVldroa's relevant immoralities and regen, whose true forms and avatars exist across the entire DND multiverse and is far greater than Veldora's 2-A range, in addition, he already has access to spells which can let him reach Imaginary space or can just use Gate and rip Veldora's true self out of imaginary space
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It doesn't even have a 2A Range. If you can't update his profile, stop talking about things he doesn't have.
 
CodeCCLL said:
Someone is not reading links in Profiles. Even please click on the links in the profile.
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I am, hell I've read the novels in the verse
But if you look here, you will see for Third Step mentions:
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However, if we go over to read Ecang's profile now
Powers and Abilities: Sublime Paragon Cultivation minus Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1)
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IT LITERALLY SAYS HE LACKS CONCEPT MANIP TYPE 1 FROM THE THIRD STEP
You are clearly not reading
CodeCCLL said:
It doesn't even have a 2A Range. If you can't update his profile, stop talking about things he doesn't have.
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Straight up trolling at this point
Range: Hundreds of meters, up to universal with peak abilities | Multiversal+
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This is straight up on the range section of Sertrous, and the second key, which is the Low 2-C one, has 2-A range
 
deonment said:
You are the one not reading the profiles, so please, shut
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deonment said:
I am, hell I've read the novels in the verse
But if you look here, you will see for Third Step mentions:

However, if we go over to read Ecang's profile now

IT LITERALLY SAYS HE LACKS CONCEPT MANIP TYPE 1 FROM THE THIRD STEP
You are clearly not reading

Straight up trolling at this point

This is straight up on the range section of Sertrous, and the second key, which is the Low 2-C one, has 2-A range
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My fault. I'm really sorry. Sertrous definitely takes the #1 spot. Ecang also does not have Conceptual Manipulation Type 1.

But I still haven't changed my mind for other issues.
 
CodeCCLL said:
My fault. I'm really sorry. Sertrous definitely takes the #1 spot. Ecang also does not have Conceptual Manipulation Type 1.

But I still haven't changed my mind for other issues.
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Sorry I got annoyed for a bit
I assume those are Veldra getting beaten by Dracula and Crota having the ability to reach 2-A distances away yes?
 
Dracula cannot kill Veldora because of his Rimuru-based immortality in imaginary space 2A.

Rimuru had a battle against Dracula from the main series of games and it was inconclusive.

So it's probably going to be inconclusive too.
 
Arata immortality type 4 makes no sense, this is type 8. Someone need to fix it.
 
deonment said:
I assume those are Veldra getting beaten by Dracula and Crota having the ability to reach 2-A distances away yes?
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Crota has Multiversal Range.
Dracula has Low Multiversal Range.

So both characters can't do anything against Veldora.(Multiversal + Distance)

Am I wrong?
 
I noticed that Arata does not even have that type of Immortality in his Low 2-C key.

Plus he does not resist any of Giygas' hax, and lacks feats of interacting with AE1 lol.
 
CodeCCLL said:
Crota has Multiversal Range.
Dracula has Low Multiversal Range.

So both characters can't do anything against Veldora.(Multiversal + Distance)

Am I wrong?
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Oh, the interdimensional range can reach 2-A distances away, it only isn't multiversal+ range because he cant affect the entirety of a 2-A structure, however he can travel to one via his dimensional travel, for the relevant CRT see this, but tldr, he cut outside of a countless 2-B sized multiverse and into a 2-A one
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Dracula cannot kill Veldora because of his Rimuru-based immortality in imaginary space 2A.

Rimuru had a battle against Dracula from the main series of games and it was inconclusive.

So it's probably going to be inconclusive too.
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Should Dracula and Veldora share spot?
 
StrymULTRA said:
I noticed that Arata does not even have that type of Immortality in his Low 2-C key.

Plus he does not resist any of Giygas' hax, and lacks feats of interacting with AE1 lol.
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He does, he has two low 2-C keys. The second one has the immortality.
 
deonment said:
Oh, the interdimensional range can reach 2-A distances away, it only isn't multiversal+ range because he cant affect the entirety of a 2-A structure, however he can travel to one via his dimensional travel, for the relevant CRT see this, but tldr, he cut outside of a countless 2-B sized multiverse and into a 2-A one
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Ok, They should be above Veldora for now.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Then ****.

His power null has 0 explanations too, and Giygas's shit is mostly 4D, and can use his status effects on Ness who is as well with a HDE mind.
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I think his AE and NEP is just limited because there's an ability that lets him gain that. At least based on skimming past CRTs.
 
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Anyways I'm would argue that Koriel should be above giygas but I also just realized that armor, due to not being as brainrotted as I, left some stuff off the profile, so atm they would take the spot below giygas due to getting passived but beats arata due to just ee'ing or removing his Idea Sefirah
 
deonment said:
Anyways no, the fate manip isn't passive and so Koriel just thinks and erases them on a CM1 and Info Type 2 level and the same applies to Altair, this would at worst let him incon the former before he decides to rip her Idea Sefirah from her body which stops people from using thier powers, and for Altair getting erased on a CM1 level would just neg her from being able to use her immo
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Looking at his range being only uni+ and her having type 9 immo from what I believe is her true self being in the court of fate he has no way of actually gging her.
And same as Altair, her immortality is reliant on beings across the multiverse, Koriel doesn't have that range to neg either of their immortalities.
 
Arkenis said:
Looking at his range being only uni+ and her having type 9 immo from what I believe is her true self being in the court of fate he has no way of actually gging her.
And same as Altair, her immortality is reliant on beings across the multiverse, Koriel doesn't have that range to neg either of their immortalities.
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Not court of fate, but dream world
 
Arkenis said:
Oh mb, is it outside of the regular universe? Should add how her immortality functions. And are any of her abilities passive?
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Her Paralysis Inducement is Passive one, since she can paralyze someone movement with gaze only and also also his Catastrophic Aura

Her Immortality actually there already explanation in her profile in other ability like Type 5 (Since she freed from concept of death, Type 6 (Through Possession to her human vessel that allow her exists in the human world), Type 9 (Since she exists in the dream world where is conceptual plane of existence and metaphysical world beyond human worlds (infinite worlds exist in the verse))
 
I also think Parca should share same spot with Veldora since Veldora range only universal+ and can't do anything to Parca Immortality (Type 9). Same like Parca can't do anything to Veldora Immortality (Type 9) which she must has 2-A range to deal with it, Parca range only 2-C.
 
deonment said:
Oh, the interdimensional range can reach 2-A distances away, it only isn't multiversal+ range because he cant affect the entirety of a 2-A structure, however he can travel to one via his dimensional travel, for the relevant CRT see this, but tldr, he cut outside of a countless 2-B sized multiverse and into a 2-A one
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If Crota cannot affect the entire 2A structure How will he find Veldora in imaginary space? As far as I understand he can only travel 2A distance. Crota can go anywhere in structure 2A, but it takes forever to find Veldora.

Finally, What do you think about this?
 
Megaraptor149 said:
I also think Parca should share same spot with Veldora since Veldora range only universal+ and can't do anything to Parca Immortality (Type 9). Same like Parca can't do anything to Veldora Immortality (Type 9) which she must 2-A range, Parca range only 2-C.
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Weaknesses: Parca's form of existence is far from ideal, this is why she needs rituals and the human body as a vessel.

Veldora destroys Parca's vessel. In this way, it sort of disables it.

Also, Veldora and Dracula share same spots. Dracula stomps Parca.
So incon with Veldora is not enough.
 
CodeCCLL said:
Weaknesses: Parca's form of existence is far from ideal, this is why she needs rituals and the human body as a vessel.

Veldora destroys Parca's vessel. In this way, it sort of disables it.

Also, Veldora and Dracula share same spots. Dracula stomps Parca.
So incon with Veldora is not enough.
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Actually her human vessel to exist in the human world that's meaning why her existence is far from ideal. She cant do it without her verssel to exist in human world that's why She needs human vessel through 12 week ritual to do it her goal.

Veldora can beat Parca while using her vessel in the human world, but can deal with her true self which is has Immortality (Type 9)? I already explain above about her Immortality (Type 9).

Incon is enough i think, since both can't do shit each other
 
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Question, but Veldora it's really has Immortality (Type 9) in his Low 2-C key?

Because i see in his 3-A key, he has it
 
Actually Dracula one is really indeed problem for her than Veldora because Dracula has better range than Veldora. But after i see again can Dracula hax can deal with her Immortality (Type 9) as already explain above @Phsccarvalho ?
 
Megaraptor149 said:
Actually Dracula one is really indeed problem for her than Veldora. But after i see again can Dracula hax can deal with her Immortality (Type 9) as already explain above @Phsccarvalho ?
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In addition to Dracula having Low Multiversal range, he can negate the regeneration and immortalities of chaos creatures, which have type 9 immortality, as they are dependent on Chaos. Chaos is a being/concept that exists throughout the Castlevania Multiverse with its "true self" being in the Chaotic Realm, a dimension beyond the normal world that only Dracula can access in the story (though others have 2-C in range as well.).

So I think he can kill Parca.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
In addition to Dracula having Low Multiversal range, he can negate the regeneration and immortalities of chaos creatures, which have type 9 immortality, as they are dependent on Chaos. Chaos is a being/concept that exists throughout the Castlevania Multiverse with its "true self" being in the Chaotic Realm, a dimension beyond the normal world that only Dracula can access in the story (though others have 2-C in range as well.).

So I think he can kill Parca.
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Ok i see, Parca should get spot 4 below both Dracula and Veldora, since Dracula can kill her.

Eventhough she can incon with Veldora, but Dracula really problem for her
 
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