PrinceofPein
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that is not my blog, what are you even reading man
here is the blog
Like all these that you just quoted are not even in the blog I posted here, what exactly is going on? but Damn
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SHINZA IS BACK!!!!!
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here is the blog
Like all these that you just quoted are not even in the blog I posted here, what exactly is going on? but Damn
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Oh, bruh. I saw another blog. My bad then. It's just that you also edited the blog I pasted from
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Yk that the spear is the physical form of gladsheim right?
Not really, Masada said that Muzan used Khvarenah as the foundation for his earth
Because it was directly stated that they were fighting on a blank canvas
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Spear existed before Gladsheim iirc
Khvarenah is not the throne god who gets erased if they die.
But they aren’t drawing on the throne
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Irrelevant, it is directly stated to be only the physical manifestation of it as now rein took it
That is thanks to Mercurius and Rein scans, the whole point is that gods can use other gods' corpses, Mercurius in k3 was erased but half of his body was sent into the singularity for example
They literally are, Ren at one point stopped it for example
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Okay @Tarang123 and @Reizen23 that is derailing, take it to the general shinza discussion
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That's because of the nature of star spirits, theirs is a degree of separation between star spirits' bodies and their minds, with the bodies being able to act independently to a degree if the mind is killed. So while the mind reached Big Bang and become an immutable concept, the body was still around and had not achieved godhood and was then killed to become the planet of Parsdise Lost.
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you mean for his body being erased? Honestly I didn't read all of avesta,I read the last 3 chapters cuz I wanted to read Mags vs Mithra and the joruney in zero,btw mind sending scans?(Will read avesta as soon as I learn jap) Also Mercurius' and Reinhard's bodies remained after Hajun killed them(Rein was torn to pieces and Merc was torn in half,one destroyed and the other sent in the singularity)
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???Fiction is just 2D
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No, Throne is a man-made thing. A Machine. That's what the Pantheon Prologue says.
PrinceofPein
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Yeah it was man-made at first, then mithra found it and created the throne system and the throne became something more than a machine
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why would they? I just explained in the mesage you tagged.
The throne a machine was created by humans, mithra a God found it then made the throne system and the throne became more than a machine,
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So, I'm noticing several odd things here:
Here the side pushing for 1-A admits that the Throne is a part of a 10-dimensional cosmology (i.e it's one of the Sefirot, Kether in specific, which seem to be explicitly referred to as dimensions here, and argued as such). The blog, though, seems to imply otherwise, since it says Kether is just a manifestation of the Throne:
Then later in the blog, there's this tidbit, which says that there are eight higher dimensions beyond Malkuth instead of 9, implying that only the Sefirot from Yesod to Chokmah are being considered higher dimensions, and the Throne is being deemed as something separate, even though, again, the side pushing for 1-A already admitted that the Throne is one of these dimensions. So it is itself a higher dimension and also... not?
And then there's this other bit, which says the Throne is a higher dimension (Scans are all in Japanese, though, so, can't verify):
... Which is contradicted by this, which says the Singularity (A realm lesser than the Throne, it seems) has no dimensional properties at all:
This flip-flopping only gets something resembling a post addressing it here:
Which is not an adequate response because while, yes, Tier 0s can have dimensions, 1-A is being pushed for in this specific case because of the idea that the Throne is beyond any possible additions of higher dimensions in the verse and stands as something whose nature is completely distinct from, and above them. You can't argue that and yet still say the Throne being one of the verse's higher dimensions is totally fine and doesn't hurt your point. In my eyes this is a crystal-clear case of special pleading, and the reasons given for why the Throne should be treated differently aren't too good either from what I've seen:
This means nothing. "You cannot access the Throne without a power equal to the Throne God" (Seems to be what you're saying here) isn't something that needs the Throne to surpass dimensions entirely to be true. Of course a 1-B realm wouldn't be reachable to a character whose only feats are accessing places that are lower into 1-B than it. "Transcending creation" isn't anything that supports 1-A, either, especially when you admitted that the Throne is one of the higher dimensions of the verse, that'd just mean "creation" isn't something that encompasses all higher-dimensional spaces in this case.
Quite honestly I'm really iffy on letting the verse back in on account of this thread. If this was better organized I'd be fine with it, but it seems to be a bunch of stuff that was pretty shoddily put together in a short period of time and isn't even consistent with itself at several points (Ontop of the OP apparently not even having proper knowledge of the source material, something that's seemingly dismissed as being just "nitpicking" every time something that points towards it is brought up). Hard no from me.
Here the side pushing for 1-A admits that the Throne is a part of a 10-dimensional cosmology (i.e it's one of the Sefirot, Kether in specific, which seem to be explicitly referred to as dimensions here, and argued as such). The blog, though, seems to imply otherwise, since it says Kether is just a manifestation of the Throne:
Then later in the blog, there's this tidbit, which says that there are eight higher dimensions beyond Malkuth instead of 9, implying that only the Sefirot from Yesod to Chokmah are being considered higher dimensions, and the Throne is being deemed as something separate, even though, again, the side pushing for 1-A already admitted that the Throne is one of these dimensions. So it is itself a higher dimension and also... not?
And then there's this other bit, which says the Throne is a higher dimension (Scans are all in Japanese, though, so, can't verify):
... Which is contradicted by this, which says the Singularity (A realm lesser than the Throne, it seems) has no dimensional properties at all:
This flip-flopping only gets something resembling a post addressing it here:
Which is not an adequate response because while, yes, Tier 0s can have dimensions, 1-A is being pushed for in this specific case because of the idea that the Throne is beyond any possible additions of higher dimensions in the verse and stands as something whose nature is completely distinct from, and above them. You can't argue that and yet still say the Throne being one of the verse's higher dimensions is totally fine and doesn't hurt your point. In my eyes this is a crystal-clear case of special pleading, and the reasons given for why the Throne should be treated differently aren't too good either from what I've seen:
This means nothing. "You cannot access the Throne without a power equal to the Throne God" (Seems to be what you're saying here) isn't something that needs the Throne to surpass dimensions entirely to be true. Of course a 1-B realm wouldn't be reachable to a character whose only feats are accessing places that are lower into 1-B than it. "Transcending creation" isn't anything that supports 1-A, either, especially when you admitted that the Throne is one of the higher dimensions of the verse, that'd just mean "creation" isn't something that encompasses all higher-dimensional spaces in this case.
Quite honestly I'm really iffy on letting the verse back in on account of this thread. If this was better organized I'd be fine with it, but it seems to be a bunch of stuff that was pretty shoddily put together in a short period of time and isn't even consistent with itself at several points (Ontop of the OP apparently not even having proper knowledge of the source material, something that's seemingly dismissed as being just "nitpicking" every time something that points towards it is brought up). Hard no from me.
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Ultima makes sense to me
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Yeah, I agree with Ovy7's suggestion, it's better to have a separate crt to prepare the cosmology blog and some other things first,
Considering that this Verse has a history of translation problems and massive downgrades that make some people on the wiki somewhat doubt whether the tiers are still accurate (the latest tiering system), especially for tier 1 which requires strong evidence.
Considering that this Verse has a history of translation problems and massive downgrades that make some people on the wiki somewhat doubt whether the tiers are still accurate (the latest tiering system), especially for tier 1 which requires strong evidence.
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Well since there are lots of misunderstanding, with Ultima's posts I will clear them up, but I should address this first
the entire point of this CRT is to bring Shinza back, the blog was made at a request of DT, so yes we were not ready to put out a blog, so on his request we had to work with what we have, after this thread was made
I will explain the points which you find contradicting in the latter post
Me dismissing people who are derailing and only point out to nitpick things does not mean I do not have proper knowledge and Yes it is nitpicking if what someone is worried about is, hey why did you remove a sentence from a scan, when it has absolutely nothing to do with what I am saying
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yes Keter is the manifestation of the throne and stands at the top of the sephiroth
Yes the throne is deemed as separate because anyone can ascend from Malkuth to Chokmah, simply by losing their sin or gaining greater sin, i.e. you can ascend from Malkuth to Yesod by losing your sin, then also ascend from Yesod to Hod by losing sin and so on till you reach Chokmah, but no matter how much sin you lose or how much you ascend, you will never reach Keter, even losing all your sins will not allow you to reach Keter, so satanael created beings with no sins in the hope of reaching Keter but still that could not happen. So yes Keter is not just one of this higher Dimensions but something different to use an analogy, you can ascend these steps from Malkuth to Chokmah, but after that you reach a wall you can never surpass.
the scan says "hyper-dimensional space" i used Higher for clarification but it means beyond in context, which is this
yes the singularity has no dimensional properties and a blank space, stated more than 20 times in the series, I can find at least 10 right away and it is a lesser realm than the throne, if you are a weaker God, no matter how much you drill into the singularity you can never reach the throne, you will drill keep falling for all of eternity
There is no special pleading here, I already explained above how it is possible to ascend to this higher dimension to quote "losing your shell and becoming something higher" so you can ascend these other dimensions by losing your sin but no matter what, you cannot reach the throne
So even though keter the top layer of the sephiroth was said to be a manifestation of the throne, it certainly does not act like the other ones. to put it simply Malkuth to chokhmah is part of creation, the throne is not, also PL is the first work of masada released back in 2004, a few things were retconned in the later works, and singularity was not introduced till DI the work after Paradise Lost, but no matter what there is something that was true the throne stood above creation and no one could access it no matter how much they ascend in Paradise Lost which would mean certainly although it was said to be the last dimension in PL, it has no antifeat of it not being a regular dimension
I believe I have explained this above but I should add, this will be you ignoring other contexts and evidence in the blog, and there are a lot which I would not bother mentioning again but I would say the reason for the throne in the first place is to keep the naraka out of the universe/multiverse controlled by the throne so it will not make sense for an area controlled by the throne to be outside the throne and yes creation encompasses all higher dimensional space in the verse and every other thing in the universe/multiverse
And what creation entails depends on what the God on the throne wills. To explain again what is in the singularity section, when two Gods clash, the winner becomes the new God and then he can paint over creation in his own color(law). After muzan defeated Mithra he painted/created the world of PL the one with sephiroth, after Merc defeated satanael he created the world of eternal recurrence, which turned the universe into infinite universes, after Marie took the throne, her law allows the infinite universes to keep branching out infinitely allowing for multiple choices, after Hajun took the throne, his own world destroyed every universe, as it does not allow for anyone to exist but himself. So creation is jsut a painting and the god can simply just paste their colors on it
So yes there is more than enough proof that the throne stands above the singularity which is above and disconnected from creation, as infact you need taikyoku to be able to access the singularity and afterwards you need to be strong enough to cross the singularity into the throne, here is another narration talking about the gods and creation
So to put it simply every concept or law in the verse are simply laws, but the laws of the Gods(taikyoku) is something more than any of creation laws.
That said, i think the only thing you have problem with is the PL structure, which I believe I have addressed.
But to reiterate what is in the blog, the gods see the creation as a mandala and this is not even a god on the throne, but rather probably the weakest god ever Yakou with 2 taikyoku and those taikyoku are even colorless and he said he could never reach the throne no matter how many years he uses “That thing sits in the depth that is unreachable, not even after hundreds, thousands of years or even more” even though he was guiding his own soul to a deeper existence in order to drill further he said he could never reach it, Ren and Reinhard would have fallen forever/endlessly in mercurius throne singularity.
but no matter the difference in power between these gods, all of them stand above creation and views it as a mandala, and to quote something from avesta
This is simply the unverse of avesta through mithra. and I should add one of the major purpose of the throne is to hold the weight of the god on the throne, cause aside that, the spiritual pressure they are exuding will destroy the painting/creation. In fact the gods needs sensories to enter creation.
So saying the throne is part of creation is really far off the mark
I think I have digressed a lot from the intial points, but the point is do not get hold up on PL and its sephiroth containing 10 dimensions with the keter the manifestation of the throne on top of it although it still stand unreachable, fact is that it was referred to as a dimension there, there is no denying it but that was retconned so we look at what was given to us in the later works about the throne and look at other evidences if you have any other contentions, please let me know.
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Christ on a stick wtf. I already said this should be dead cuz no one actually knowledgeable actually cares and that the ones that do didn't get the series but my brain can't handle the amount of mishaps here. Holy shit.
Firstly stop being anal about dimensions in PL. It's going to make ppl misunderstand cuz Keter IS the throne and the abyss is just the reverse way to get to Keter in a sense (since Judecca = Keter). Taikyoku is already said to be above and control ALL phenomenon within their creation so dimensions wouldn't be exempt since its not a taiji law and smth like the singularity and throne would also be above it by pretty simple logic. Creation is the lowest floor of this shit with singularity then going further to the throne (that's just gets further with a stronger god). And the fact we only know it's higher dimension doesn't mean much. Its just getting closer to the throne to some degree with Judecca and Keter being the end point (Though we have to make one thing clear: The abyss is based on the 9 circles of hell NOT the qlipphoth which would technically make cocytus the throne but Judecca which is its final layer is why Belial can kill Muzan)
Another is not everything is a hyperbole as Soujirou's narration made it obvious that Akuro didn't really tank the hit but more like even hitting him felt stupidly off. And they were crushed as a result.
Another is there are notable mistranslations or omitted parts that are not there for some reason which some did point out but another example.
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魂を同調させ、より深く、より強大な存在へと自らの存在を誘導し、奥へ奥へと自らを運ぶ。 肌から感じる感覚は、ここがまさに無色透明の空白地帯であるということ。踏み入った夜行に対して何一つ、僅かとして影響を及ぼさない無窮の闇。 これはまさに、極限まで透き通った水のようなものだろう。もしくは徹底的に清潔さを保った無菌の箱か。人間の考え付く『無』を体現しながら、同時に如何なる様にも発展する多様性すら有している。 これは、果たして底があるのか？ 正気の者ならそう思わずにいられぬ光景。大海原に投げ出された人間が海の広大さに恐怖を覚えるかのように、ここもまた、存在するだけで生半可な意志なら拡散する。 どこまでも続く変哲のない空間。薬にも毒にもならず、ただ在り続ける無色の太極。ひたすら巨大でありながら自己主張を行なわないものは、見る者の恐れを掻き立てるかのようだ。 だからこそ、夜行は思う。ここは神格にのみ許された世界なのだと。 常人の精神構造であればこの透明さに耐え切れない。大陸を沈没させるほどの真水に向かい、砂糖を一粒落としてみるようなものだ。当然、砂糖は溶かされ、水に甘味もつかぬだろう。 だが、それはあくまで凡夫の都合。ある一線を越えた場合、この場はまさに新世界の芽へ転身する。 即ち──太極の保有。現世界、丸ごと塗り潰すほどの波動を得た者に限り、この空にて活動を許され、また新たな理を生み出すことができるのだ。 されど色は一色のみ。神は両雄並び立てぬ。求道者ならばいざ知らず、覇道を持つなら、先住者を滅殺せねば存在できない。 夜行がここへ到達できたのも、太極有する求道であり、同時に覇道にあらぬからという理屈だった。 自らの外殻をかつてないほど強固に編み上げ、さらに深みへ沈み行く。自己の理を保ち続け、やがて、行き着いた先に──
What was translated:
Synchronise your soul and delve deeper into your existence, making it more powerful and profound. The sensation from your skin is like a blank canvas without color. This endless void has no impact on anything and is akin to a completely transparent liquid or a sterilized box. It embodies man-made emptiness, yet holds the potential to transform into anything. Does the abyss have an end? The scene can make even the sane pause to ponder. Similar to the fear a human feels when thrown into the ocean, this place can the weak-willed spread just with its mere existence. It's an unchanging space where neither poison nor cure exists, just the flow of colorless Taikyoku. It's massive yet elusive, evoking fear in those who witness it. That's why Yakou believes that only those with divinity can access this world. Normal humans cannot endure its transparency, like facing an ocean that can sink a continent or dissolving a grain of sugar in water, but the water remains unchanged. Crossing a certain line can lead to the creation of a new world through the power of Taikyoku. As long as one has Taikyoku, they have the ability to rewrite the current world and establish new laws and logic. However, only one color can exist. The existence of Gudou Gods is uncertain, while Hadou Gods are only allowed to exist if they are capable of destroying them. Yakou can reach this place only because he possesses Taikyoku, but he cannot become a Hadou.
What I found:
Synchronizing the soul, deeper, guiding his existence into a more powerful being, carrying himself deeper and deeper. The sensation felt on his skin was truly a colorless, transparent void. As Yakou stepped in, the infinite darkness had little effect on him. This would be just like water that is to the upmost purity. Or a sterile box that has been kept clean. This embodies the "nothingness" that humans conceive of, while at the same time possessing a diversity that can develop in any way. Does this have a bottom? A sight were no sane person could help but think of. Just as a man who is thrown into the ocean would be terrified of its vastness, here too, the existence of the half hearted will disperse. An uunchanging space that goes on forever. The huge yet unassertive object, inspires fear to those who see it. That is what Yakou thinks. This is a world reserved for the divine. An ordinary person's mental constitution would not be able to withstand this transparency. It's like trying to drop a grain of sugar within fresh water that can sink a continent. Obviously, the sugar would dissolve and the water wil not taste sweet. But that is the convenience of ordinary people. If a certain line is crossed, this place will turn into the bud of the new world. Namely-the possession of taikyoku/taiji. Within the current world, those who have the wave to crush the painting, can operate under the same sky, and create new truths. But there can only be one color. God does not stand with the heroes. Gudou path (transcendence) will not be affected, if one is a Hadou path (Hegemony), they cannot exist unless they destroy their predecessors. Yakou was able to reach this place, because he has a Gudou (transcendence) taikyoku, and not being a hadou (hegemony) at the same time. Weaving his outer shell more tightly than ever before, he sinks deeper. Continuing to maintain his sense of self, eventually, reaching his destination.
Commandments are more ways to life that ppl have to do lest they get tensui'ed so not sure on the soul part and the hero faction don't really have a change but that's more to demon lords.
While I'm a bit unsure if its 100% accurate despite triple checking, there are very notable things missing/not used at all.
「なんですか、これは......」
一見すると鉱物・・・・・みたいに思える。だけど私が知る限り、こんな代物はまったく見聞きした記憶がなかった。
まず色味が普通じゃない。 虹のようだと表現するのは簡単だが、七つどころか数十以上の色彩がに分かれて複雑怪奇に絡み合ってる。さらに形状自体が物理法則を無視していると感じられ、幾何学的な各種のブロックがぐちゃぐちゃでありながら整然と重なる様から、これの構造を読み解くなど不可能だ。
判じ物の立体パズルを、異次元の法則に従って昆虫の天才学者が組み上げたかのごとき出鱈目さ。つまり知性と理性の方向が、致命的なほど断絶した謎の極みに座標を持つ何かだった。これが善いものか悪いものか、我々の尺度や概念で量るのは無意味のため定義できず、ゆえにただただ“分からない"
そして、この正体不明さでも私たち向けに変換された姿なのだと直観できた。証拠に大きさは人の頭程度であり、鉱物かと思われた幾何学体が呼吸しているみたいに伸縮して万華鏡めいた色彩に穴が生じ瞬くと、さながら瞳に見えて私はその眼差しに覚えがあって
"What? Is this?"
At a glace a mineral...is what it looks like. But as far as I know, this thing is something I haven't heard or seen before.
Firstly the colors are not normal. A rainbow would be the best way to describe it, but it isn't just 7 colors but dozens or more of colors all mysteriously divided and intertwined. Moreover the shape itself felt like it ignores the laws of physics, these various geometric block messily while orderly overlapping, making it impossible to decipher this structure. A three-dimensional puzzle, as if an entomologist genius constructed it in a nonsensical way according to the laws of another dimension. In other words having something to do with the coordinate where there is a fatal disconnect with intellect and reason at the extreme height of mystery. Whether this is a good or bad thing, our scale or weighing in our concepts cannot define it as it would be meaningless, therefore simply "I don't know." Thus, I could intuit that this unidentifiable figure was converted for us. The evidence is that it is the shape of a human head, a geometrical body thought to be a mineral expands and contracts as if it's breathing where kaleidoscopic colors form holes when it blinks, it looked like an eye that gaze which I remember.
Context: Ferdows a character was converted into this thing by zero which was then made into something like a mineral for the inhabitants like quinn to observe cuz otherwise they won't understand it (cuz of all the weird fuckery it is).
Also stop using Yakou's barrier if anyone gets any ideas. It's just a dimensional barrier with nothing about higher dimensions (was used during Yuri's shit which was pointless).
To just put the dimensional thing to rest cuz really its getting out of hand Yakou's comment of near infinite just indicates anything not Taiji would be far inferior and just be shot out of their asses to death since taiji controls everything anyway (his was colorless yet he can do this which is inferior to colored ones as they had desires)
And we are JUST in aditya which is the prequel of the series. For crying out loud we still have info to go through especially the inner parts of the throne (like throne of souls, domain of gods) since most of the destruction of the throne is the outer parts.
Firstly stop being anal about dimensions in PL. It's going to make ppl misunderstand cuz Keter IS the throne and the abyss is just the reverse way to get to Keter in a sense (since Judecca = Keter). Taikyoku is already said to be above and control ALL phenomenon within their creation so dimensions wouldn't be exempt since its not a taiji law and smth like the singularity and throne would also be above it by pretty simple logic. Creation is the lowest floor of this shit with singularity then going further to the throne (that's just gets further with a stronger god). And the fact we only know it's higher dimension doesn't mean much. Its just getting closer to the throne to some degree with Judecca and Keter being the end point (Though we have to make one thing clear: The abyss is based on the 9 circles of hell NOT the qlipphoth which would technically make cocytus the throne but Judecca which is its final layer is why Belial can kill Muzan)
Another is not everything is a hyperbole as Soujirou's narration made it obvious that Akuro didn't really tank the hit but more like even hitting him felt stupidly off. And they were crushed as a result.
Another is there are notable mistranslations or omitted parts that are not there for some reason which some did point out but another example.
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魂を同調させ、より深く、より強大な存在へと自らの存在を誘導し、奥へ奥へと自らを運ぶ。 肌から感じる感覚は、ここがまさに無色透明の空白地帯であるということ。踏み入った夜行に対して何一つ、僅かとして影響を及ぼさない無窮の闇。 これはまさに、極限まで透き通った水のようなものだろう。もしくは徹底的に清潔さを保った無菌の箱か。人間の考え付く『無』を体現しながら、同時に如何なる様にも発展する多様性すら有している。 これは、果たして底があるのか？ 正気の者ならそう思わずにいられぬ光景。大海原に投げ出された人間が海の広大さに恐怖を覚えるかのように、ここもまた、存在するだけで生半可な意志なら拡散する。 どこまでも続く変哲のない空間。薬にも毒にもならず、ただ在り続ける無色の太極。ひたすら巨大でありながら自己主張を行なわないものは、見る者の恐れを掻き立てるかのようだ。 だからこそ、夜行は思う。ここは神格にのみ許された世界なのだと。 常人の精神構造であればこの透明さに耐え切れない。大陸を沈没させるほどの真水に向かい、砂糖を一粒落としてみるようなものだ。当然、砂糖は溶かされ、水に甘味もつかぬだろう。 だが、それはあくまで凡夫の都合。ある一線を越えた場合、この場はまさに新世界の芽へ転身する。 即ち──太極の保有。現世界、丸ごと塗り潰すほどの波動を得た者に限り、この空にて活動を許され、また新たな理を生み出すことができるのだ。 されど色は一色のみ。神は両雄並び立てぬ。求道者ならばいざ知らず、覇道を持つなら、先住者を滅殺せねば存在できない。 夜行がここへ到達できたのも、太極有する求道であり、同時に覇道にあらぬからという理屈だった。 自らの外殻をかつてないほど強固に編み上げ、さらに深みへ沈み行く。自己の理を保ち続け、やがて、行き着いた先に──
What was translated:
Synchronise your soul and delve deeper into your existence, making it more powerful and profound. The sensation from your skin is like a blank canvas without color. This endless void has no impact on anything and is akin to a completely transparent liquid or a sterilized box. It embodies man-made emptiness, yet holds the potential to transform into anything. Does the abyss have an end? The scene can make even the sane pause to ponder. Similar to the fear a human feels when thrown into the ocean, this place can the weak-willed spread just with its mere existence. It's an unchanging space where neither poison nor cure exists, just the flow of colorless Taikyoku. It's massive yet elusive, evoking fear in those who witness it. That's why Yakou believes that only those with divinity can access this world. Normal humans cannot endure its transparency, like facing an ocean that can sink a continent or dissolving a grain of sugar in water, but the water remains unchanged. Crossing a certain line can lead to the creation of a new world through the power of Taikyoku. As long as one has Taikyoku, they have the ability to rewrite the current world and establish new laws and logic. However, only one color can exist. The existence of Gudou Gods is uncertain, while Hadou Gods are only allowed to exist if they are capable of destroying them. Yakou can reach this place only because he possesses Taikyoku, but he cannot become a Hadou.
What I found:
Synchronizing the soul, deeper, guiding his existence into a more powerful being, carrying himself deeper and deeper. The sensation felt on his skin was truly a colorless, transparent void. As Yakou stepped in, the infinite darkness had little effect on him. This would be just like water that is to the upmost purity. Or a sterile box that has been kept clean. This embodies the "nothingness" that humans conceive of, while at the same time possessing a diversity that can develop in any way. Does this have a bottom? A sight were no sane person could help but think of. Just as a man who is thrown into the ocean would be terrified of its vastness, here too, the existence of the half hearted will disperse. An uunchanging space that goes on forever. The huge yet unassertive object, inspires fear to those who see it. That is what Yakou thinks. This is a world reserved for the divine. An ordinary person's mental constitution would not be able to withstand this transparency. It's like trying to drop a grain of sugar within fresh water that can sink a continent. Obviously, the sugar would dissolve and the water wil not taste sweet. But that is the convenience of ordinary people. If a certain line is crossed, this place will turn into the bud of the new world. Namely-the possession of taikyoku/taiji. Within the current world, those who have the wave to crush the painting, can operate under the same sky, and create new truths. But there can only be one color. God does not stand with the heroes. Gudou path (transcendence) will not be affected, if one is a Hadou path (Hegemony), they cannot exist unless they destroy their predecessors. Yakou was able to reach this place, because he has a Gudou (transcendence) taikyoku, and not being a hadou (hegemony) at the same time. Weaving his outer shell more tightly than ever before, he sinks deeper. Continuing to maintain his sense of self, eventually, reaching his destination.
Some plot points too:Commandments are more ways to life that ppl have to do lest they get tensui'ed so not sure on the soul part and the hero faction don't really have a change but that's more to demon lords.
While I'm a bit unsure if its 100% accurate despite triple checking, there are very notable things missing/not used at all.
「なんですか、これは......」
一見すると鉱物・・・・・みたいに思える。だけど私が知る限り、こんな代物はまったく見聞きした記憶がなかった。
まず色味が普通じゃない。 虹のようだと表現するのは簡単だが、七つどころか数十以上の色彩がに分かれて複雑怪奇に絡み合ってる。さらに形状自体が物理法則を無視していると感じられ、幾何学的な各種のブロックがぐちゃぐちゃでありながら整然と重なる様から、これの構造を読み解くなど不可能だ。
判じ物の立体パズルを、異次元の法則に従って昆虫の天才学者が組み上げたかのごとき出鱈目さ。つまり知性と理性の方向が、致命的なほど断絶した謎の極みに座標を持つ何かだった。これが善いものか悪いものか、我々の尺度や概念で量るのは無意味のため定義できず、ゆえにただただ“分からない"
そして、この正体不明さでも私たち向けに変換された姿なのだと直観できた。証拠に大きさは人の頭程度であり、鉱物かと思われた幾何学体が呼吸しているみたいに伸縮して万華鏡めいた色彩に穴が生じ瞬くと、さながら瞳に見えて私はその眼差しに覚えがあって
"What? Is this?"
At a glace a mineral...is what it looks like. But as far as I know, this thing is something I haven't heard or seen before.
Firstly the colors are not normal. A rainbow would be the best way to describe it, but it isn't just 7 colors but dozens or more of colors all mysteriously divided and intertwined. Moreover the shape itself felt like it ignores the laws of physics, these various geometric block messily while orderly overlapping, making it impossible to decipher this structure. A three-dimensional puzzle, as if an entomologist genius constructed it in a nonsensical way according to the laws of another dimension. In other words having something to do with the coordinate where there is a fatal disconnect with intellect and reason at the extreme height of mystery. Whether this is a good or bad thing, our scale or weighing in our concepts cannot define it as it would be meaningless, therefore simply "I don't know." Thus, I could intuit that this unidentifiable figure was converted for us. The evidence is that it is the shape of a human head, a geometrical body thought to be a mineral expands and contracts as if it's breathing where kaleidoscopic colors form holes when it blinks, it looked like an eye that gaze which I remember.
Context: Ferdows a character was converted into this thing by zero which was then made into something like a mineral for the inhabitants like quinn to observe cuz otherwise they won't understand it (cuz of all the weird fuckery it is).
Also stop using Yakou's barrier if anyone gets any ideas. It's just a dimensional barrier with nothing about higher dimensions (was used during Yuri's shit which was pointless).
To just put the dimensional thing to rest cuz really its getting out of hand Yakou's comment of near infinite just indicates anything not Taiji would be far inferior and just be shot out of their asses to death since taiji controls everything anyway (his was colorless yet he can do this which is inferior to colored ones as they had desires)
And we are JUST in aditya which is the prequel of the series. For crying out loud we still have info to go through especially the inner parts of the throne (like throne of souls, domain of gods) since most of the destruction of the throne is the outer parts.
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Thank you for commenting.
Edit: People knowledgeable enough care about it, I am one for one. Also we tried to make the translations as literal as possible without adding context of us that are knowledgeable.
I intially thought he was against and about to argue against this, but glad to see you are not.
Edit: People knowledgeable enough care about it, I am one for one. Also we tried to make the translations as literal as possible without adding context of us that are knowledgeable.
I intially thought he was against and about to argue against this, but glad to see you are not.
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I think this thread should be closed. That blog is not good.
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Okay I will like you to show me a verse where the fans all agree on everything? That aside, show me an argument here amidst the fans that has not been resolved.
Even though I did not partake in their derailing as it is best to keep out of it, I watched the arguments and also it getting resolved
It is not good because you said so?
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Fans of most verses don't disagree on basic facts about the verse though. People here are struggling to get basic facts right.
Also the infighting is like half of the thread. Most were simply resolved with "take it somewhere else".
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If you are insecure about your translation or the materials needed to revive this franchise, then don't do it. Unless you are a one-man army who can solo on the ENTIRE translation of Demonbane Mythos, with the help from my friend to write explanations.
It's all boils down to the very thing called Respect Thread anyway. I have every scan and translation needed to bring back this verse, so i don't worry about anything.
It's all boils down to the very thing called Respect Thread anyway. I have every scan and translation needed to bring back this verse, so i don't worry about anything.
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I do not see anyone here fighting about taikyoku, throne or singularity, rather what they argued was merc, satanael and muzan. those are not basic at all.
And which they did not and continued here till it was done
I am not insecure about them
well I am not a one-man army
Shinza or demonbane? cause shinza is back, had a dream about it
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I'm talking about Demonbane, ofc. I have played all VNs and read all LNs. That's why i can make my own RT. If your side doesn't have anyone who hasn't finished at least both DI and K3, well that's a big problem.
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The way I understand it is that the throne is the last dimension, yes, but disconnected to everything. This can be seen through this explanation in Dies Irae:
Essentially, everything is part of the canvas or picture of reality. Underneath that is the singularity, a void of colorless taikyoku. And beyond even that is the taikyoku throne, the origin of everything.
It's referred to as "another dimension", but one that lacks the concept of time, and is implied to lack space as well.
This is literally the most accurate response to the issue here. The issue is that people keep relying on this "Tier 0 characters can be bound by dimensions!" without addressing why they're tier 0 to begin with. If a character is 1A on the basis of being beyond the concept of dimensions, that being untrue or limited removes their 1A rating. It's as simple as that.
Overall, I do mostly agree with this assessment. Honestly, you'd get a stronger 1A argument just using the infinite dualities statements
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You should not have made the thread first. The entire point of our server was to make the blog. You should have completed that first, solidified that, and then proceeded. That was literally the point of the server
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We have atleast 5 that have finished those two
Most times how I have seen it, if a verse wants to come back you need a thread then examples of the pages, which we have ready. Since a blog was asked for they got it, and when/if the blog is accepted, we create a page proper for the cosmology.
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Nobody said you couldn't make a blog first. Most people have a blog already ready along with sample profiles from what I know beforehand
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So...
Anyone want to actually do the team work and collecting scan or continue arguing?
I honestly want Shinza to be back, i will help, 1-A never was a bullshit.
Remember high 1-A Shinza?
Good ol day.
Anyone want to actually do the team work and collecting scan or continue arguing?
I honestly want Shinza to be back, i will help, 1-A never was a bullshit.
Remember high 1-A Shinza?
Good ol day.
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It's not good because you didn't bring anything new. I wouldn't even consider you knowledgeable, because you can't even read 90% of the visual novels. All you did was use recycled and incorrect arguments because you couldn't be patient and wait for the other supporters.
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Wouldn't say that the last part was true. The server we had was dead for nearly a year. Not much was discussed either
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Also, my jap may not be good but yes i can read the VNs with a little help as long as it is not the chants and I will like for you to point out the incorrect arguments, please and please point them out.
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