I mean,point them out,it is easy to say this,a little harder to defend it
They weren't just 5 people to begin with, as you might imagine, Naraka was originally just Varuna, Mitra's lover, as we've been told in KKK VFB, and then it progressed into a 5 gang, which was later revealed to be just rangers of the original Naraka, the original coordinate.
We are made blatantly aware during MItra's dispute with Mags that she did not create the throne; rather, she merely found it first, and it is no different than being first in a treasure hunt or race.
Taikyoku values are no longer relevant, or at least not as absolute as most of you believe, especially in the current lore. And listing Mags below most of the gods is OmageKek.
The entire second page, frankly.
Wot.
are you saying original naraka is different from varuna and his gang? Also yes Mithra only created the system in the sense that she became the first goddess
I agree on Mags>All hadou gods bar Hajun
which ones are shiori and soujirou probs?
most likely the change adds strength to the throne and singularity from what Ik,at best,Hajun's world is better than the others cuz of the massive amps it gave to creation,singularity and his srgalas dudes who surpass the yatsukahagi(or him turning the 6th heaven into a Gudou structure)
What I said above about calling Soujirou a class and Shiori a cloud.
That's not what it said. Mercurius putting alternate universes changed the throne a lot, and makes him not very compatible with old gods. It also gave him a bigger territory than the gods before.
my bad,didn't see
yeah I agree with merc stuffs
It makes stronger people who are very narcissist like Reizen, but not everyone. It makes the world smaller and makes everything fight with no reincarnation or paradise.
In Reizen's page it is stated that those like him become srgalas and are stronger than others,tho unless you want to say base Shiori and Soujirou>Tenmas(Edit,read now the part of keishirou,I am a bit tired as it is late here so I missed that. Keishirou too iirc was stated to be angrier than ever which should put him above his kessenka version given the whole rage=power stuffs said in the prologue of pantheon. Tho you can argue that he had that level without effectively being angered)
I too don't understand jap but learning it,so atm I have to mtl and ask friends who know jap sometimes
Reizen isn't everyone, even if there is a lot of people like Reizen.
I don't understand why people want to put a series they don't understand... It doesn't seem very fun or good
Iirc it was stated that The whole rage=power applies to everyone in shinza(minus Mithra and Marie),btw not interested in moksha keishirou scaling atm
depends,if someone have a way of understanding it,it is still good to try(imo)
and narakas are mentioned in the blog? please show me where
scans of this (also my blog has this " The Divine Throne System (神座システム, Shinza Shisutemu) was created during an era of Interstellar War as a byproduct of reaching the land of beginnings,created to counter naraka.") so yes I know that
And where did I say the taikyoku values are absolute? they are only relevant in the struggle for the throne anyway.
no one worries about that anymore, we moved on to the blog
Okay. That seems good then.
What he said is true. Mithra created the system, not the Throne.
Their is none currently.
It was in chapter 14 of avesta where dudes reached zero right?
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and this is literally what I wrote in the blog
I only responded to your answer to what he wrote. It had nothing to do with the blog.
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A lot of retcons would be like DC and Marvel. Shinza has like 2 or 3 in total, and most have additional context so that they don't break the rules of the verse
The universe is one part of the hierarchy, so its destruction would likely not be High 1C or something like that
He's saying that she didn't create the throne, which is true. She just found it
That isn't really what happened. He didn't add parallel universes, he rewrote the system itself allowing for the existence of alternate universes.
In my opinion, I think we need some more arguments for 1A apart from just being above and disconnected from the multiverse. If you could elaborate more in the blog, that would be great.
In context, it isn't being literal. That doesn't mean this wouldn't apply to the higher dimensions that are shown or mentioned in the verse.
That isn't how things work. Especially when the verse uses various different kinds of cosmologies ranging from Buddhist concepts to Kabbalah and whatnot across different eras. You need to prove the dimensions in question work like that. Especially when the throne is literally one of the dimensions(Keter) in PL.
But you are arguing Gods are supposed to be above the dimensions? So why use that as a supporting argument?
Even if it was talking about actual dimensions, it wouldn't be true by default for all kinds of dimensions since Shinza uses multiple cosmology models.
If you insist that higher dimensions cannot function differently across the verse then that also concedes to 10D throne. So pick your poison I guess.
It wouldn't apply to them in the same manner given context, but the R>F stuff applies to the dimensions in K3 at least.
If you're arguing that it wouldn't apply to, say, Paradise Lost, then sure. We can discuss that later. But it would apply to worlds past Mercurius' as their worlds have their own similarities. Masada applying different religious philosphies and concepts in the cosmology doesn't really change that. You'd also have to prove that Shinza has multiple different types of dimensions.
Like I said, I personally think this discussion is best suited for a separate thread. This thread should be for, and only for, bringing the profiles back. We can discuss what the revised tiers should be later. That requires its own CRT. But yeah, you do make a good point. But I believe that someone made a point that higher dimensional beings in Paradise Lost can instantly obliterate lower beings, with higher dimensions being completely inaccessible to most people. That's just something to note.
so they would be 10D as of now?
Might be lower depend on the evaluation, 10D is the safest bet for now
but we agree that the singularity has R/F difference with rest of the cosmology right? with reality being a painting on it.
I think we should first settle for their original tiers (1B) and then make changes later
but isn't the singularity an outright infinite hierarchy and the throne 1-A being confirmed to be inaccessible by it?
Reality is not a painting on the singularity. Reality is a painting on this "paper", and the singularity is the hole through the paper itself. Through the hole is the blank slate (ie. the entirety of the singularity). At least, that's how I've interpreted it. But yes, it would have a R>F difference
