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That can be discussed later. Right now, the priority isn't getting the verse to 1A, but to get the verse back at allbut isn't the singularity an outright infinite hierarchy and the throne 1-A being confirmed to be inaccessible by it?
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That can be discussed later. Right now, the priority isn't getting the verse to 1A, but to get the verse back at allbut isn't the singularity an outright infinite hierarchy and the throne 1-A being confirmed to be inaccessible by it?
If you clicked on the link, it, for some reason, directs you to Darkseid's page. I think that needs to be fixed.As such, the only way of truly accessing it is by opening a Singularity, that is, tearing the canvas of reality asunder, and diving through the newly made hole.
First of all, these scans aren't in the blog at all, so it's just baseless claims as of now. Especially witht he layers of laws or whatever. There is zero implication that laws layer on each other or something like thatFor the singularity we can use what is implied during the routes and then stated directly, beri'ah actually dwarfs creation no matter how many laws are added, layers of laws are stacked and so on, this is shown with every recurrence of mercurius and is directly stated to ignore the laws of creation everytime it is activated, this is the same thing that is stated in k3 with distortions which is just beri'ah but under another name, the singularity is then above all beri'ah minus divine ones
Basically, Shinza would become 1A and the old profiles would be brought back with the changes. That seems to be what the conclusions of the blog areAnyway, what are the conclusions here so far, and can somebody write a good explanation post regarding what our staff members need to evaluate here?
He's asking conclusions of the thread, not the "blog"Basically, Shinza would become 1A and the old profiles would be brought back with the changes. That seems to be what the conclusions of the blog are
Cuz I had not time to send themFirst of all, these scans aren't in the blog at all, so it's just baseless claims as of now. Especially witht he layers of laws or whatever. There is zero implication that laws layer on each other or something like that
How is that any different?He's asking conclusions of the thread, not the "blog"
there is nothing agreed on the thread so far btw. The admins haven't evaluated anythingThe blog can freely claim anything whatsoever, but what's agreed on in here can easily be very different.
Oh, I meant the conclusions of the thread that are being aimed for, not what's actually agreed upon. In that regard, there are no conclusions, It's a shithole without any actual directionThe blog can freely claim anything whatsoever, but what's agreed on in here can easily be very different.
The blog makes the arguments. You can agree or disagree with thatI keep seeing 1-A but haven't seen the arguments for it.
I think a better attempt can be made later when the fans coordinate and decide upon a consistent interpretation with a good blog instead of having inner disagreements and everything being all over the place. But I am disagreeing for now.As much as I'd love to have Shinza profiles again, you're bringing up a lot of good points. Staying neutral here
This is a reasonable point, yeah. We had over a year, yet this felt like it was still rushed and disorganized. But, just because I was part of the server and provided some scans to be used, I'll remain neutral for now.I think a better attempt can be made later when the fans coordinate and decide upon a consistent interpretation with a good blog instead of having inner disagreements and everything being all over the place. But I am disagreeing for now.
Really? Then I didn't see anything that qualifies.The blog makes the arguments. You can agree or disagree with that
hey I read what you said in the previous pages, I was planning on ignoring it as I cannot be bothered to get into the argument but I will say the leylines are not dimensions. Anyway if you want me to explain it to you I will in the DM and not hereParadise Lost does have more than just 10D. You should check the script.
chase is a TL he does not want anything to do with battleboarding, I think I mentioned that in the OP about him being the translatorBecause what Darksmash said really makes sense. It's a bit obvious that there is no coordination between the supporters, and I think Chase's words more or less support that. (But I don't think that should be a reason not to add the verse to the wiki, because it's an easily fixable problem)
Actually the cosmology is the throne, the singularity and tiakyoku, the universes themselves has little to go on off.The Cosmology Blog also seems to be incomplete, but for some reason it seems to focus more on why it should be 1-A than on providing information about cosmology in general. And I don't think it should be like that.
If the evidence is sufficient enough then it's probably fine but I don't see anything that qualifies for 1-A even the FAQ as proven above would change soon according to ultima.1-A is not hard, if your verse does not have infinite dimensions, you just have to prove you are above the dimensions even if your verse has just a regular 4-D universe.
If they are proven to be qualitatively superior then it's fine for 1-B.then we have a universe consisted of 12 Dimensions,
I know that, but I thought if we're going to talk about cosmology, it's not a bad thing to talk about multiverses and multiple timelines within universes and things like that. That was just an idea.Actually the cosmology is the throne, the singularity and tiakyoku, the universes themselves has little to go on off.
I already said in my comment that the blog is not yet complete, so I don't see why what I said is a dishonesty.And let me call you out on dishonesty there, the blog did not even get to versus tiering till the last section and has just like 5 lines on it, so that is obviously wrong what you just said now
I know that, but I thought if we're going to talk about cosmology, it's not a bad thing to talk about multiverses and multiple timelines within universes and things like that. That was just an idea.
I already said in my comment that the blog is not yet complete, so I don't see why what I said is a dishonesty.
this is false, check the blog againbut for some reason it seems to focus more on why it should be 1-A than on providing information about cosmology in general.
and that is not relevant right nowI mean, the cosmology have also the throne of soul, nonexistential realms and stuffs like that
What Darksmash means is that they're the same arguments that got the verse to 1A in the past, while not countering any of the stuff from Yuri's downgrade. This was something I specifically said needed to be done before any kind of 1A upgrade.@Tarang123 and @Darksmash what do you mean it is the same information as the previous shinza? I do not understand, did we write another shinza? or why are shocked that I am using the same scans and statements that may have been used before? Am I supposed to write another shinza or write a blog while making sure I did not mentiion something that has ben used before shinza was deleted? I am honestly still trying to wrap my heads around it, it is the same shinza so yes you are bound to see some things you have seen before, just this time I at least explained and not using things out of context or using mistranslations - Like justify your claims that says it is almost as the same as the previous upgrade reason, firstly half of what is in the blog, like the explanation and stuffs has never being used in any blog also not to details like that with all the scans.
You have to prove that you are above any number of dimensional constructs (in oversimplified terms). Where'd you get the 12 dimensions? I also have to point out that simply being able to control all of existence and being above it (even with some number of dimensions) doesn't particularly equate to 1A. Just a little note. I don't agree or disagree with the 1A logic.1-A is not hard, if your verse does not have infinite dimensions, you just have to prove you are above the dimensions even if your verse has just a regular 4-D universe. We know for a fact that Dimensions in the verse hold ontological difference, as shown in PL and explicity stated in k3, And in the blog you will see in the first era, we have a single regular universe, then we have a universe consisted of 12 Dimensions, then in the next one we know little about, but the one after that the fourth era, we have a regular universe although they are infinite in number compared to the last one. And also there are tons of scans that says the Gods, throne, taikyoku and singularity is above creation, and there is one that says "they have control over all of creation while disconnected from it" and many more that says they are the origin of all laws, concepts and phenomenons in the verse.
Last I remembered, transcending concepts isn't really 1A. In fact, the biggest downgrading point was that transcending concepts wasn't enough as Shinza supposedly had evidence of being bound to dimensional stuff. That's why I said you'd have to first debunk Yuri's downgradeBy default they indeed transcend all laws, phenomenons and concept in the verse, so yes that is enough for 1-A.
I was talking to Ultima. He said that isn't really going to change too much. Being above a cosmology regardless of dimensional stuff could still become 1A, given context.If the evidence is sufficient enough then it's probably fine but I don't see anything that qualifies for 1-A even the FAQ as proven above would change soon according to ultima.
It is pretty easy to debunk that btwLast I remembered, transcending concepts isn't really 1A. In fact, the biggest downgrading point was that transcending concepts wasn't enough as Shinza supposedly had evidence of being bound to dimensional stuff. That's why I said you'd have to first debunk Yuri's downgrade
I mean, it's a cosmology blog.and that is not relevant right now
Okay, but until that's debunked, the reasoning for 1A hits a pretty big road blockIt is pretty easy to debunk that btw
So we should make a thread against the downgrade of Yuri to say how it is wrong?Okay, but until that's debunked, the reasoning for 1A hits a pretty big road block
Let me explain what I said before. What I said before (like way earlier) is that the Shinza profiles should be brought back to their former 1B states. Then, in a CRT with the cosmology blog or whatever the ****, we can make changes and discuss the actual tier of the verse.So we should make a thread against the downgrade of Yuri to say how it is wrong?
OK and I alr said I agree with this way of bringing Shinza backLet me explain what I said before. What I said before (like way earlier) is that the Shinza profiles should be brought back to their former 1B states. Then, in a CRT with the cosmology blog or whatever the ****, we can make changes and discuss the actual tier of the verse
Still gonna change, currently it talks about a structure being independent of the number of layers/dimensions present on the setting, if they are unaffected by dimensions being arbitrarily added or removed from physical space by virtue of transcending it entirely, or if they exist as a "background" or canvas of sorts in which any amount of them can be inserted.I was talking to Ultima. He said that isn't really going to change too much. Being above a cosmology regardless of dimensional stuff could still become 1A, given context.
I directly asked him, though...let me just quote what he said.Still gonna change, currently it talks about a structure being independent of the number of layers/dimensions present on the setting, if they are unaffected by dimensions being arbitrarily added or removed from physical space by virtue of transcending it entirely, or if they exist as a "background" or canvas of sorts in which any amount of them can be inserted.
He said even a single transcendence can do this and will probably be changed, probably in a way similar to the root that's stated to be beyond any dimensional structure, but let's wait and see how he plans to update it.
He's basically saying that it would still be 1A, with context. Of course, without context it could just be High 1B, which is beyond any expansion of finite dimensions.Me: would being above the expansions of some construct regardless of dimensional stuffs not be eligable for 1A anymore?
Ultima: Would be, yeah.
all the stuffs from Yuri downgrade as to do with mistranslation and the gods being referred to as Higher dimensional, but hey news flash, even a tier 0 can be referred to as higher dimensional by a 3-D and it will not change anythingWhat Darksmash means is that they're the same arguments that got the verse to 1A in the past, while not countering any of the stuff from Yuri's downgrade. This was something I specifically said needed to be done before any kind of 1A upgrade.
not the offical blog and this will be deleted, after the blog is made into a page, also it is the wiki. or rather let me say this is just a blog the actual cosomology will be in a pageAs well as that, you are copy-pasting text from the Shinza wiki without crediting them.
are you sure you also read the blog?You have to prove that you are above any number of dimensional constructs (in oversimplified terms). Where'd you get the 12 dimensions?
I already did that in the blog, again lets wait for the knowledgeable staffs to decide.I also have to point out that simply being able to control all of existence and being above it (even with some number of dimensions) doesn't particularly equate to 1A. Just a little note. I don't agree or disagree with the 1A logic.
I never said the reason for the 1-A is just transcending concepts, please and please read this thing.Last I remembered, transcending concepts isn't really 1A. In fact, the biggest downgrading point was that transcending concepts wasn't enough as Shinza supposedly had evidence of being bound to dimensional stuff. That's why I said you'd have to first debunk Yuri's downgrade
prove you did not read what I wrote in the blog, so I will imploy you to read again. If I added the throne to be a regular dimension we will be talking about 13. (4+9) and not (4+8)Just mentioning again that the so called "12 dimensions" of PL also include the throne
In your head? yesso the whole "Singularity doesn't care about dimension changes to the cosmology" narrative is kek