X-Men Film Series General Discussion Thread

[RoTt35]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Jean could replicate the Big Bang

 

[AnonymousBlank]

PF = Life = Creates life = Creation = Big Bang

 

[RoTt35]

Jean's abilities so far from the Novelization, we should find some feats and statements for her mind hax

Mater Manipulation (Made matter a glob of primordial ylem. Can separate matter from molecular components to atoms, and from there to agglomerations of charms, quarks, muons and gluons), Deconstruction (Slashed across molecular bonds that gave objects their shape and definition, reducing them to their elemental components. Discorporated Professor X into less than atomic components, leaving nothing. She was discorporating the planet, stripping existence around her down to its primal component states), Transmutation (Can alter the shape, state and the very physical nature of matter. Can manipulate the states of existence so what is solid and opaque became utterly transparent, and utterly nonexistent after that), Quantum Manipulation, Reality Warping and possibly Dimensional Manipulation (Can shred the boundaries between states of reality and possibly even dimensions on a quantum level. Explored the subatomic quantum world or microverse within a raindrop), Spacial Manipulation (Created tears in the fabric of the universe), Density Manipulation (Can alter the density of matter), Life Manipulation (Infused a spark of life into wood so that it can grow into a tree), Light Manipulation (Can compose herself entirely of light. Can flare matter beyond incandescent, as bright as the Big Bang and brighter than any conceivable sun. Passively generated so much radiance that even sunglasses would be of little help), Radiation Manipulation (Passively bombarded Wolverine with lethal levels of radiation, who compared it to a thermonuclear blast), Black Hole Creation (Can compress matter until it transitions into a microsingularity), BFR (Can put a person into orbit with a thought)

 

[RoTt35]

I updated Jean's sandbox

 

[Dalesean027]

I updated Jean's sandbox

was expecting tier 3 lmao

 

[RoTt35]

was expecting tier 3 lmao

We still don't calculate Jean destroying the world beyond the subatomic level, her creating a microsingularity and replicating the luminosity of the Big Bang. I don't know about Tier 3, but Tier 5/4 is very likely, but the most important is her OP hax

 

[RoTt35]

We still don't calculate Jean destroying the world beyond the subatomic level, her creating a microsingularity and replicating the luminosity of the Big Bang. I don't know about Tier 3, but Tier 5/4 is very likely, but the most important is her OP hax

Btw, does someone know how to calculate any of these feats (world destruction, microsingularity, Big Bang)? We still need to decide a timeframe for her discorporating Earth

 

[RoTt35]

What ability would this be? This is the scene from the movie for further context

 

[RoTt35]

More questions about more abilities: Resurrection? Bone Manipulation or Healing? What would this be?

 

[Lonkitt]

I’ll take a look at those when I get back

 

[AnonymousBlank]

More questions about more abilities: Resurrection? Bone Manipulation or Healing? What would this be?

Did Jean actually die or? Limited Healing via bone manip? Not too sure on the ruby quartz one. Some kind of power mimicry for copying the properties of the shades is my best guess.

 

[RoTt35]

Did Jean actually die or?

The novelization gives this flashback

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I don’t see the words die or dead. Low-mid/mid regen

Resurrection it is.

 

[RoTt35]

I guess it wouldn't be combat applicable, should it be included in her Base or Phoenix key?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Base imo. It stems from the PF but it still resurrects her even when she isn’t actively using the power. My question is how it fits with Logan ganking her at the end of the movie.

 

[RoTt35]

Base imo. It stems from the PF but it still resurrects her even when she isn’t actively using the power. My question is how it fits with Logan ganking her at the end of the movie.

Maybe her awakening the Phoenix allowed her to resurrect? The novelization says this right after her death

 

[Qawsedf234]

Due to the big differences between the movie and the novelization, is it possible that Jean could have two keys (Movie | Novelization)?

I know I'm late here, but basically, with novelizations that have heavy purple prose/extreme statements like this one, we wouldn't make a new profile (or key) but just limit what we use for the sake of consistency.

For example, Jean destroying stuff by breaking molecular change can work, because it fits with the visuals. Her making a mini-Big Bang would just be considered literary exaggeration.

 

[RoTt35]

Her making a mini-Big Bang would just be considered literary exaggeration.

Actually Jean was going to do that in the movie, but unfortunately it was changed by this scene

 

[Qawsedf234]

Actually Jean was going to do that in the movie,

I wasn't talking about her collapsing the cup into a ball of energy, I meant the power comparison between it and the big bang.

 

[RoTt35]

I wasn't talking about her collapsing the cup into a ball of energy, I meant the power comparison between it and the big bang.

Oh, and what about her other feats? Her creating a microsingularity by compressing matter and her discorporating Earth beyond the subatomic level?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Her creating a microsingularity by compressing matter

Worth giving it a "possibly" tag since it's part of that purple prose style of speech.

er discorporating Earth beyond the subatomic level?

I think that is fine, since as I said before it fits in with what we see visually.

Basically what I'm saying is that stuff like this shouldn't be taken at face value profile-wise.

 

[RoTt35]

I think that is fine, since as I said before it fits in with what we see visually.

Good, this is the feat in question, we only need to decide a timeframe for it, any suggestion would be very helpful

 

[Qawsedf234]

we only need to decide a timeframe for it,

The timeframe it takes and the nature of the power wouldn't give you Tier 6 or 4 results.

However.

Destroying a human on the sub-atomic level is a 7-A feat, so considering the range on her she's probably 6-C or something.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Didn’t she dust all of Alcatraz in a minute or something? Could be pretty high.

 

[RoTt35]

The timeframe it takes and the nature of the power wouldn't give you Tier 6 or 4 results.

Subatomic destruction of Earth is Low 4-C, and I don't think the timeframe is higher than 12 hours since Wolverine says he doesn't know if they will live to see the dawn

 

[Qawsedf234]

Subatomic destruction of Earth is Low 4-C

For doing it in one shot.

I don't think the timeframe is higher than 12 hours since Wolverine says he doesn't know if they will live to see the dawn

Because they're 40 feet away from her. If she's not killed then they all die to the wave.

 

[RoTt35]

For doing it in one shot.

I know, that's why we need to choose a timeframe for the feat

Because they're 40 feet away from her. If she's not killed then they all die to the wave.

Wolverine stated that after Magneto told him that Jean was discorporating Earth and saying that he wouldn't know if the world would survive. And the other X-Men were already leaving the island before all of that

 

[RoTt35]

For Jean's feat of discorporating Earth at the subatomic level to be weaker than destroying a human at the subatomic level, the timeframe of her feat should be of 5.3871559633e22 seconds

 

[Qawsedf234]

I know, that's why we need to choose a timeframe for the feat

If its overtime I feel like it's more of a range thing than an AP thing. Since it's just a slowly growing zone of death.

For Jean's feat of discorporating Earth at the subatomic level to be weaker than destroying a human at the subatomic level, the timeframe of her feat should be of 5.3871559633e22 seconds

Scaling AP to AoE isn't linear like that. Her initial wave was already much larger than a normal human. The easiest way would just be finding out the area she did destroy and then giving her a likely rating by downscaling a timeframe from the Earth by 12 to 24 hours.

 

[RoTt35]

If its overtime I feel like it's more of a range thing than an AP thing. Since it's just a slowly growing zone of death.

Her power allowed her to reach the core of the Earth in an instant, it should be noted that Jean was focused and distracted by Wolverine and her love for him

The easiest way would just be finding out the area she did destroy

Here

 

[Qawsedf234]

Her power allowed her to reach the core of the Earth in an instant, it should be noted that Jean was focused and distracted by Wolverine and her love for him

This is what I meant earlier. Compare it to the film and this doesn't happen. It's impressive, but it's from a book with heavy statements like this that is implying a far greater level of power shown compared to the movie.

Here

Probably best to just take Alcatraz and try to calc a sub-atomic destruction of it.

 

[RoTt35]

This is what I meant earlier. Compare it to the film and this doesn't happen. It's impressive, but it's from a book with heavy statements like this that is implying a far greater level of power shown compared to the movie.

Fair

Probably best to just take Alcatraz and try to calc a sub-atomic destruction of it.

The whole island?

So her tier would be "X (Jean destroying Alcatraz), possibly/likely X (Jean discorporating Earth overtime)?

 

[RoTt35]

The novelization says this right after her death

If I understood this correctly when Jean died at the end of X2, her mind was still alive in an "astral journey" seeing her possible futures or something like that, then she decided that it was not her time and it seems that she revived herself, but when Wolverine killed her she wanted him to kill and this save her

 

[PhantomØ4]

Oh hey, this is a thing. Are y'all aware the Quicksilver calc mathz is a bit ******?

 

[PhantomØ4]

This one. He makes incorrect assumptions about the explosion travel and forgot to convert in one of the steps which resulted in a much slower explosion.

I have an old version of a re-calc I made for it cuz I noticed that the conversion was wrong.

Here is my version though I did more stuff around it.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So her tier would be "X (Jean destroying Alcatraz), possibly/likely X (Jean discorporating Earth overtime)?

Yeah. Something like "X, possibly Low 4-C (The novelization suggested she would dismantle the Earth which would be this tier)"

Then just put a note that the novelization for three contradicts some scenes for the movie which is why its not a solid rating.

 

[RoTt35]

Yeah. Something like "X, possibly Low 4-C (The novelization suggested she would dismantle the Earth which would be this tier)"

Okay, to calculate her destroying Alcatraz should we use the whole island?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Dunno about the whole island since the movie only shows her destroying the buildings on top of it iirc.

 

[Qawsedf234]

should we use the whole island?

Just the building, since the island still remained after the shockwave.

 

[RoTt35]

Okay, although the feat will most likely never be calculated