X-Men Film Series General Discussion Thread

[Lonkitt]

Wolverine stuff

The "She couldn't kill him, only make him stronger" is followed up by saying that if she wanted him dead, he'd be gone. Keep this in mind

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

The "She couldn't kill him, only make him stronger" is followed up by saying that if she wanted him dead, he'd be gone. Keep this in mind

She can't kill him but she can

 

[Propellus]

She can't kill him but she can

For better wording, she doesn't want to kill him, but she could if she really wanted it

 

[RoTt35]

The "She couldn't kill him, only make him stronger" is followed up by saying that if she wanted him dead, he'd be gone. Keep this in mind

Yes, this is the complete quote:

The harder she hit him, the more efficiently his body healed. She couldn't kill him, only make him stronger. If she really wanted him gone, there were ways to accomplish it. Throw him away for instance; he had no doubt, at her level, she could put him into orbit with a thought. If he was still here, it was for a reason.

 

[RoTt35]

Barrier Lake was used as the stand in for Alkali Lake, the closest mountain to the lake is Mount Baldy, we can use that to calculate the mountain feat

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Yes, this is the complete quote:

That doesn’t say that she can kill him though. Just that she could yeet him away if she wanted. The quote you’re looking for is this one.

“The adamantium was partly what saved him, because it possessed the tightest molecular binding of any substance conceivable. Given time and will, she could deconstruct it the way she was shredding everything else, but right now her mind was focused on greater things.”

 

[Lonkitt]

Jean's Pre-Retcon key could be:

Key: Base | Phoenix Unleashed

 

[RoTt35]

Jean's Pre-Retcon key could be:

When Jean was holding back the flood and lifting the X-Jet at the end of X-Men 2, would it be her base key or as the Phoenix?

 

[Lonkitt]

Base

 

[RoTt35]

Base

Then we can use this statement which implies that she was holding back millions of tons of water for her LS, and I think it would work for AP as well using a KE calc

 

[RoTt35]

Jean vs Professor X also has interesting stuff

 

[RoTt35]

Cyclops feat

Scarlet glory erupted through the air, as though someone had opened a window to the surface of the sun, and raw concussive energy gouged a momentary trench directly to the bottom of the lake, parting the waters like the hands of God through the Red Sea. Unchecked for once, wholly unrestrained, the bolt hammered at the rock along the opposite shore, following Scott's line of sight so that when his gaze flicked towards one of the remaining towers of the dam, the entire structure shuddered with the initial impact, as though struck by a celestial battering ram. Then, with breathtaking suddenness, it shattered, not into rocks and boulders but powder, allowing the implacable beam to strike the mountainsides beyond.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

The Scott feat is before he gets amped by Jean, right?

 

[RoTt35]

The Scott feat is before he gets amped by Jean, right?

Yes, is when he fires his Optic Blast into the lake and then Jean appears

 

[RoTt35]

Another feat for Jean

Energy pulsed from her body, spiraling outward across bay and city in successive waves that churned the water more powerfully than any storm of nature. She rose from her perch and descended from bridge to island [...] Jean was hovering above the center of the courtyard that had been the main battlefield, streamers of fiery energy swirling faster and farther from her body as though she were becoming the core of her own galaxy. She was certainly blazing brightly enough, generating so much radiance that even sunglasses would have been little help.

 

[RoTt35]

Due to the big differences between the movie and the novelization, is it possible that Jean could have two keys (Movie | Novelization)?

 

[RoTt35]

Another feat for Jean but most likely an outlier for Wolverine

She hit him with her telekinesis, a shot to the chest containing the full force of a Category Five hurricane. Anyone else would have been pulped on contact, but Logan merely made a body-sized dent in the wall.

And also a feat for Storm

In the space of a few heartbeats, Ororo ramped up her storm to better than Category Five on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale, and unleashed its full fury into the heart of the attackers, striking them with wind-driven rain that knocked some off their feet and left the rest too dazed and disoriented to cope with the storm surge that followed, a wave that rose to twice their height and swept the battlefield clean of debris and combatants.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Does Wolverine have other feats like this?

 

[Lonkitt]

Due to the big differences between the movie and the novelization, is it possible that Jean could have two keys (Movie | Novelization)?

No, thats really not required and would simply clutter things up. The novelization can be used for her general stuff. Sure, the descriptions are pretty bold, but they technically aren't contradicted in the film given this is all information conveyed through descriptions

 

[RoTt35]

Instinctive Action and Analytical Prediction for Wolverine

He was quick, but that was just the start of it. His healing factor gave Logan a reaction time that was significantly greater than the average sapien, or the average mutant. He rarely needed to think as he fought, on any conscious level; his body, working through backbrain and instinct and physical memory, did that for him. He reacted to the slightest of cues, on levels more subtle than most hunting dogs, which allowed him to begin his counter at virtually the same time, so it seemed to his adversaries as though he was reading their minds, anticipating their every attack.

 

[Lonkitt]

Another feat for Jean but most likely an outlier for Wolverine

Lol this is like the claim that Raimiverse Venom could crush mountains

 

[RoTt35]

Jean discorporating Earth would be AP or just hax? Since she was mainly doing it with Matter Manipulation (Deconstruction and Transmutation)

 

[Lonkitt]

I suppose hax based on how its described? Plus, the text provides other stuff that would place her higher

 

[RoTt35]

Plus, the text provides other stuff that would place her higher

Which ones?

 

[Lonkitt]

Didn't the stuff in the novel peak at 3-A?

 

[RoTt35]

Didn't the stuff in the novel peak at 3-A?

It was a joke because of the flowery language

 

[Lonkitt]

Depending on how you interpret this, you could argue 2-C

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Jean discorporating Earth would be AP or just hax? Since she was mainly doing it with Matter Manipulation (Deconstruction and Transmutation)

Should still count for AP since she is reducing the planet down to quarks and shit and she can focus this energy if she wants to like with Wolverine.

 

[RoTt35]

Should still count for AP since she is reducing the planet down to quarks and shit and she can focus this energy if she wants to like with Wolverine.

Is there a calc for the subatomic destruction of Earth? Although her Matter Manipulation reaches quantum level. And which timeframe should we use?

 

[RoTt35]

Is there a calc for the subatomic destruction of Earth?

I found one, it's Low 4-C

 

[Lonkitt]

I found one, it's Low 4-C

You say that like it isn't a good ranking for a CBM verse

 

[RoTt35]

You say that like it isn't a good ranking for a CBM verse

I said it because originally Jean was going to be just 7-C with the feats from the movie, now she's stronger than the Phoenix Force of the Revised Timeline

 

[Lonkitt]

Yeah but thats a good thing

 

[RoTt35]

This feat is also very interesting, and crazy, Jean creating a microsingularity and recreating the luminosity of the Big Bang because she was bored

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I found one, it's Low 4-C

It do be consistent with all the star comparisons

 

[RoTt35]

Although the feat would probably be High 5-A since it was overtime, which timeframe should we use?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Does the novel give an indication beyond everyone being terrified she will do it?

 

[RoTt35]

Does the novel give an indication beyond everyone being terrified she will do it?

This is all the context the novel gives (first three images)

 

[RoTt35]

This calc for base Jean was accepted

 

[RoTt35]

Jean has these two statements

She played with the core molecular structure of the metal, altering its density, its shape, its state, its very physical nature. She made it a glob of primordial ylem

"Discorporating the planet," was the reply. "Stripping existence around her down to its primal component states."

The Ylem is this, would that just be Matter Manipulation/Transmutation or could it be something else?