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Dragon Ball Super - Super Hero Key and profile additions (SPOILERS!!)

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This CRT shall discuss on adding profile keys to Gohan and Piccolo along with the additions of Gammas 1, 2 and Cell Max. Other profiles that need to be added and discussed that could be added, please let me know in the comments section below.

Secondly SPOILER WARNING!! This crt will contain massive spoilers for DBS Superhero. Please refrain from clicking onto this thread if you do not wish to be spoiled of the movie. Here we go












































Profile Additions

First off are the profile additions of Gamma 1, 2, and Cell Max. Based on scaling to the other characters, here are my suggestions.

Gammas One and Two get a 3-A tiering. Gamma 2 was able to overpower base Piccolo in their first encounter and also during their second encounter after Piccolo got his potential unlocked by Shenron. He did get one shot by Orange Piccolo.

Gamma 1 gets his 3-A by outpacing both base and SSJ Gohan before getting pummeled by Ultimate Gohan

Cell Max gets an "At least 3-A" rating as he effortlessly took on both Gammas, Trunks, Goten, 18, and Piccolo. He even managed to easily pummel Orange Piccolo.

Key Additions

Gohan in his Super Hero key gets a "3-A" tier with a "far higher" in his new transformation (Gohan Beast was it??)

When facing Gamma One, he was having trouble in base and SSJ before needing to go to Ultimate to take him down. Gohan in Beast Form, easily shrugged off a punch from Cell Max that was hurting Orange Piccolo and effortlessly punched him miles back before easily one shotting him with a Special Beam Cannon to the head.

Orange Piccolo gets a 3-A key with a "higher in Orange Piccolo" where he faced against Gamma 2, having trouble in their first encounter and on their second encounter even after having his potential unlocked by Shenron. When he went Orange, he easily shrugged attacks from Gamma 2 before promptly one shotting him with a punch.

And thats about it. I do have a proposal on a possible Low 2-C key for Cell Max, based on an author statement, but I'll refrain from it and see what the others think.
 
Gonna be honest, you really should've made a sandbox for the profiles instead of just saying what should be added. The movie's only been out for a day in the West, give people some time to make profile sandboxes and then we can talk about doing a CRT.

I think this thread should be temporarily locked until sandboxes are made with the new characters and forms in mind.
 
Haven't read the OP, but I am looking for a place where the movie is online for free. No URLs though.
 
This could've been done better but that's alright I'll be seeing it next week and there's a lot more scans you could've still used
 
I've seen the movie so I will do this in small chunks.
MrLuk2000 said:
First off are the profile additions of Gamma 1, 2, and Cell Max. Based on scaling to the other characters, here are my suggestions.

Gammas One and Two get a 3-A tiering. Gamma 2 was able to overpower base Piccolo in their first encounter and also during their second encounter after Piccolo got his potential unlocked by Shenron. He did get one shot by Orange Piccolo.

Gamma 1 gets his 3-A by outpacing both base and SSJ Gohan before getting pummeled by Ultimate Gohan
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Simple scaling here, I agree and if that's not enough if I recall didn't Piccolo said that they're comparable to Goku and Vegeta(Base Form)? cause if so, then that's more than enough.
MrLuk2000 said:
Cell Max gets an "At least 3-A" rating as he effortlessly took on both Gammas, Trunks, Goten, 18, and Piccolo. He even managed to easily pummel Orange Piccolo.
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I agree, Gamma 2 should also get "higher with" and then insert the move he used to damage Cell Max as that really damaged him heavily to the point it blew a whole side of his body.
MrLuk2000 said:
Gohan in his Super Hero key gets a "3-A" tier with a "far higher" in his new transformation (Gohan Beast was it??)

When facing Gamma One, he was having trouble in base and SSJ before needing to go to Ultimate to take him down. Gohan in Beast Form, easily shrugged off a punch from Cell Max that was hurting Orange Piccolo and effortlessly punched him miles back before easily one shotting him with a Special Beam Cannon to the head.
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I agree, and yea it's called Gohan Beast(ngl I honestly prefer Final Gohan but that's just me), Gohan should also get Special Beam Cannon in his techniques and abilities section. Now whether or not we want to put the "Higher with Special beam Cannon" that's up to yall.
MrLuk2000 said:
Orange Piccolo gets a 3-A key with a "higher in Orange Piccolo" where he faced against Gamma 2, having trouble in their first encounter and on their second encounter even after having his potential unlocked by Shenron. When he went Orange, he easily shrugged attacks from Gamma 2 before promptly one shotting him with a punch.
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I agree, but I think it should be "3-A, higher with Potential Unleashed, far higher with "Orange Piccolo"" as he can transform into the Potential Unleashed state as well as Orange Piccolo now.
MrLuk2000 said:
And thats about it. I do have a proposal on a possible Low 2-C key for Cell Max, based on an author statement, but I'll refrain from it and see what the others think.
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By any chance is it that "If Cell max actually completed his process, Broly wouldn't even be able to defeat him"? Cause if it is, I don't think that would matter on this site man. I think the only thing that may qualify and this is being VERY generous is "Potentially At Least Low 2-C"
But overall I agree with the CRT.
 
MrLuk2000 said:
This CRT shall discuss on adding profile keys to Gohan and Piccolo along with the additions of Gammas 1, 2 and Cell Max. Other profiles that need to be added and discussed that could be added, please let me know in the comments section below.

Secondly SPOILER WARNING!! This crt will contain massive spoilers for DBS Superhero. Please refrain from clicking onto this thread if you do not wish to be spoiled of the movie. Here we go












































Profile Additions

First off are the profile additions of Gamma 1, 2, and Cell Max. Based on scaling to the other characters, here are my suggestions.

Gammas One and Two get a 3-A tiering. Gamma 2 was able to overpower base Piccolo in their first encounter and also during their second encounter after Piccolo got his potential unlocked by Shenron. He did get one shot by Orange Piccolo.

Gamma 1 gets his 3-A by outpacing both base and SSJ Gohan before getting pummeled by Ultimate Gohan
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MrLuk2000 said:
Cell Max gets an "At least 3-A" rating as he effortlessly took on both Gammas, Trunks, Goten, 18, and Piccolo. He even managed to easily pummel Orange Piccolo.

Key Additions

Gohan in his Super Hero key gets a "3-A" tier with a "far higher" in his new transformation (Gohan Beast was it??)
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I'm not agree.From the official data it has been confirmed that the Perfect Cell Max is stronger than Broly. The Movie has been confirmed that the Cell is finished and lacks only Mind control progarm, so he Also should have been Low 2-C, but maybe still be less powerful than Broly. Gohan should get Low 2-C too and higher with special beam canon. (He can easily clap Cell max and one shot with special beam canon)

MrLuk2000 said:
When facing Gamma One, he was having trouble in base and SSJ before needing to go to Ultimate to take him down. Gohan in Beast Form, easily shrugged off a punch from Cell Max that was hurting Orange Piccolo and effortlessly punched him miles back before easily one shotting him with a Special Beam Cannon to the head.

Orange Piccolo gets a 3-A key with a "higher in Orange Piccolo" where he faced against Gamma 2, having trouble in their first encounter and on their second encounter even after having his potential unlocked by Shenron. When he went Orange, he easily shrugged attacks from Gamma 2 before promptly one shotting him with a punch.
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I though Piccolo should get Low 2-C because he can fight against Cell Max for a while.

Gamma 2 should get 3-A up to Low 2-C with his special move. (Because he can destroy Cell Max's arm.)
MrLuk2000 said:
And thats about it. I do have a proposal on a possible Low 2-C key for Cell Max, based on an author statement, but I'll refrain from it and see what the others think.
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Okay, after watching the movie, I agree with the new keys. The cast should be well above how strong Piccolo and Gohan were during the ToP.

And a side note, Goku and Vegeta have so surprisingly hefty upgrades that apply even to their base forms. And they've even been training with Broly. Low 2-C base forms anyone?

Though one knit pick, I'm pretty sure Orange Piccolo was kind of faking his pummeling (What what seemingly appeared to be a death) because he wanted to motivate Gohan to be as strong as him. Because once Gohan did awaken, Piccolo got back up quick and was able to match Cell Max and restrain him with his arms. He mentioned something about "Having a plan" during that same battle.
 
Would Gotenks get an upgrade since he hurt cell max or do we chalk that up as a gag

also krillin’s destruction disk did hurt cell as well
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Okay, after watching the movie, I agree with the new keys. The cast should be well above how strong Piccolo and Gohan were during the ToP.

And a side note, Goku and Vegeta have so surprisingly hefty upgrades that apply even to their base forms. And they've even been training with Broly. Low 2-C base forms anyone?

Though one knit pick, I'm pretty sure Orange Piccolo was kind of faking his pummeling (What what seemingly appeared to be a death) because he wanted to motivate Gohan to be as strong as him. Because once Gohan did awaken, Piccolo got back up quick and was able to match Cell Max and restrain him with his arms. He mentioned something about "Having a plan" during that same battle.
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so. basicly a low 2-c piccolo?
 
For scaling chains you have:

Beast Gohan >> Beyond Limits Gamma 2 > Cell Max > Orange Piccolo

Ultimate Gohan >>/> Gamma 1 = Gamma 2 >Potential Unleashed/Ultimate Piccolo > Super Saiyan Gohan > Base Gohan ~ Base Piccolo

The first scaling chain is for the potential Low 2-C's from the film.
 
Mr.Cinos15 said:
Beast Gohan >> Beyond Limits Gamma 2 > Cell Max > Orange Piccolo
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Why would Gamma 2 in his sacrifice state be above Cell Max? Just because Gamma 2 blew off his arm doesn't mean that he'd be above Cell Max; we don't scale Vegeta above Perfect Cell because he was able to destroy Cell's arm with the Final Flash, and we don't scale Goku above Cell because he was able to blow off Cell's upper body with the Instant Kamehameha, so why should this be any different?
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Okay, after watching the movie, I agree with the new keys. The cast should be well above how strong Piccolo and Gohan were during the ToP.

And a side note, Goku and Vegeta have so surprisingly hefty upgrades that apply even to their base forms. And they've even been training with Broly. Low 2-C base forms anyone?

Though one knit pick, I'm pretty sure Orange Piccolo was kind of faking his pummeling (What what seemingly appeared to be a death) because he wanted to motivate Gohan to be as strong as him. Because once Gohan did awaken, Piccolo got back up quick and was able to match Cell Max and restrain him with his arms. He mentioned something about "Having a plan" during that same battle.
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Is base Broly Low 2-C?
 
As a note, Cell Max should not be Low 2-C as Toriyama's statement said if he was completed, not even Broly could beat him. Cell Max was not yet complete when the heroes fought him.

Edit: Gamma 2 also gets some sort of Perception Manipulation as Piccolo could see his sound effects.
 
Mageman460 said:
As a note, Cell Max should not be Low 2-C as Toriyama's statement said if he was completed, not even Broly could beat him. Cell Max was not yet complete when the heroes fought him.
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broly gains strength the longer he fights so who's to say he wouldn't win eventually
 
thetechmaster36 said:
Why would Gamma 2 in his sacrifice state be above Cell Max? Just because Gamma 2 blew off his arm doesn't mean that he'd be above Cell Max; we don't scale Vegeta above Perfect Cell because he was able to destroy Cell's arm with the Final Flash, and we don't scale Goku above Cell because he was able to blow off Cell's upper body with the Instant Kamehameha, so why should this be any different?
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Because he pierced through Cell Max's guard, even when Cell Max was pushing back and was aware of the attack. Those other two examples have Cell being caught of guard, surprised, or isn't actively blocking.
 
Yeah, Cell Max was never completed, hence why he's a berserk mode and not the Composite Z Fighter that the original Cell was. Would have been cool if it was the same premise, but Super era + Godly Ki stuff. But the unfinished versions have no proof of being above, Goku, Vegeta, or Broly. Though at least in the English sub Arceus recommended for me, one of the characters mention that they didn't think even Goku or Vegeta could have taken on Cell Max, but the statements are still rather iffy.

Veronica said:
Is base Broly Low 2-C?
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His wrath state is, and Goku intitally matched that form in base form despite SSB Vegeta getting overwhelmed, though we decided not to use that under the possibility of outliers. But all three of them should be considerably stronger given the 3 year time gap and all that training. Broly was also training to use his strength without needing a wrath state, and he studied and was shocked by how strong Goku and Vegeta both became despite both of them remaining in base forms throughout the entire fight. I know that's Vegeta's trying to learn Ultra Instinct.

But as a couple others asked, I do think Orange Piccolo could have release a special beam cannon similar to the one Gohan Beast unleashed and killed Cell Max.
 
I only watched the dubbed version and even then I recall Dr. Hedo saying that while Cell Max was complete physically, his powers were still stabilizing and if unleashed prematurely, he would have just wrecked havoc. WoG even said that "IF" Cell Max was completed, not even Broly could have stopped him so yeah, Cell Max being a flat out Low 2-C, I disagree so that's why I'd made a proposal of a "possibly Low 2-C" using WoG statement.
 
MrLuk2000 said:
I only watched the dubbed version and even then I recall Dr. Hedo saying that while Cell Max was complete physically, his powers were still stabilizing and if unleashed prematurely, he would have just wrecked havoc. WoG even said that "IF" Cell Max was completed, not even Broly could have stopped him so yeah, Cell Max being a flat out Low 2-C, I disagree so that's why I'd made a proposal of a "possibly Low 2-C" using WoG statement.
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IMO Final Gohan (or whatever they're calling him now) should upscale to just Low 2-C.
 
Didn't Piccolo compare The Gammas' power to Goku and Vegeta?
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SirAlex09 said:
He can in the Broly Movie. And even if he can't as of the manga continuity ..he can still sense their opponents as a proxy.
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No he can't. Not in god forms. God Ki is completely unsensable to those that doesn't have it
However, yeah he could do it by sensing their opponents, but it's still not that reliable

Also, Anime Goku can't access UI after the ToP, so he would max at SSBKK20 (Since he never learned to use UI at will)
 
They're clearly above anyone Piccolo and Gohan went all out against during the ToP; including Pilina and Saonel. I'd roughly say they're comparable to the likes of Dyspo or Hit at bare minimum. Oranga Piccolo and Gohan Beast of course are stronger yet than them.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
They're clearly above anyone Piccolo and Gohan went all out against during the ToP; including Pilina and Saonel. I'd roughly say they're comparable to the likes of Dyspo or Hit at bare minimum. Oranga Piccolo and Gohan Beast of course are stronger yet than them.
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Yeah, considering they said they may be a problem for Goku and Vegeta, I think scaling them to SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta may be fine, especially since in the ToP, Ultimate Gohan was relative to SSB Goku
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Yeah, considering they said they may be a problem for Goku and Vegeta, I think scaling them to SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta may be fine, especially since in the ToP, Ultimate Gohan was relative to SSB Goku
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I agree Piccolo and Gohan only had a glimpse of MUI, and they had no understanding of such power and I assume they also are aware that Goku can't just UI. So I believe what we can at least base them on is the Blue levels and even maybe the beyond Blue levels like Kaioken and SSJBE
 
AwkguyDB said:
I agree Piccolo and Gohan only had a glimpse of MUI, and they had no understanding of such power and I assume they also are aware that Goku can't just UI. So I believe what we can at least base them on is the Blue levels and even maybe the beyond Blue levels like Kaioken and SSJBE
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Yeah, this is also why Goku doesn't try to use UI on Broly, as he can't command it at will
 
IMO

Beast Gohan >> Beyond Limits Gamma 2 > Cell Max > SSJBKKx20/SSJBE Saiyans >
Orange Piccolo >SSJB Goku/ Vegeta >= Ultimate Gohan >>/> Gamma 1 = Gamma 2 >Potential Unleashed/Ultimate Piccolo > Super Saiyan Gohan > Base Gohan ~ Base Piccolo
 
Just finished watching the movie, thought to throw my hat into the ring.

Shouldnt Beast Gohan at least get Low 2-C or a possibly Low 2-C alongside the other characters who would scale from the fight.

They clearly state that even if Goku and Vegeta was there they probably would have lost and that’s saying a lot.

Sorry if this was already brought up.
 
CurrySenpai said:
Just finished watching the movie, thought to throw my hat into the ring.

Shouldnt Beast Gohan at least get Low 2-C or a possibly Low 2-C alongside the other characters who would scale from the fight.

They clearly state that even if Goku and Vegeta was there they probably would have lost and that’s saying a lot.

Sorry if this was already brought up.
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He would be Low 2-C since he would scale above Cell Max, who is probably stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta, who are Low 2-C since the ToP
 
I believe that Cell Max's rating should be as follows

Low 2-C (Insert the current justification), potentially higher (Had Cell Max been completed even Broly would be unable to defeat him)
 
Beast Gohan, Beyond Limits Gamma 2 and Cell Max are solid Low 2-Cs
Orange Piccolo is a Possibly Low 2-C
 
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