Went ahead and rewatched the scene; yeah, I'm okay with this.
That’s an idiotic disingenuous statement it’s not like the enemy they fight also have God Ki like Broly or Jiren so your statements are invalid you just scale them of there enemy and Gohan said that Goku and Vegeta could help out and they still would lose also there’s a statement from a guide saying it’s the strongest battle so Beast Gohan is therefore low 2-c it makes no sense for him to be weaker the Golden Frieza or 17 especially from the Gamma statements or the statements saying the Gammas are the strongest androids.
there is also no statement piccolo equals goku and vegeta makes a statement toriyama should not be equal to ultra instinct
Actually there is Toriyama say Piccolo is finally at the level of Goku and the rest so nice try but I read a lot of the sources also Piccolo already saying the Gammas are Goku level speaks for its self
i mean maybe gohan and picolo can't feel divine ki but this statement comes toriyama omniscient narrator who says explicitly at the goku and vegeta level i don't see why the lower end piccolo and gohan should minimally be far above the likes of vegeta blue evolution kaioken 20 and maximon by ultra instinct base piccolo gohan expected first hand ultra instinct
Also I’m referring to them at max so if it’s Blue KKx20 or the Moro arc when it gets animated at the very least he should be Low 2-C especially Gohan who should be above MUI Goku, Jiren, Broly and Gogeta especially when he’s stated to be the strongest warrior and that the battle was the strongest ever which includes Broly Vs Gogeta or Moro Vs MUI Goku but let’s exclude that at the end of the day Gohan, Piccolo, Cell Max, Gamma 1 and 2 should be Low 2-C
Like I said before it’s disingenuous to say they can’t fell God Ki unless your an idiot who did MUI Goku fight okay a non God Ki user and who did SSJ Blue Gogeta fight another non god Ki user who Piccolo sensed so stop bringing up an idiotic point that’s just blatantly appeal to ignorance
a support would be that if I'm not mistaken piccolo felt the power kefla more or less superior taste sjlue kaioken x20 and something comparable ultra instinct signal also damage
Piccolo did sense Kefla’s power which is more evidence showing that they have a gage of what Goku’s power is around but that’s another Low 2-C character that they both should scale above
yes then orange piccolo should climb above likes signal first ultra instinct and gohan cell max gamma with his finishing move also if we go by the notion less high
Agreed. In the end of the day Super Hero is going to be adapted in both anime & manga and since its after Grannolah arc, Gohan will end being the strongest of all regardless all the previous Arcs.
Where exactly was this stated? Could you maybe provide a scan or two, because I am extremely iffy about putting Gohan above MUI Goku when the scaling seems to imply a lot otherwise.
Toriyama says otherwise
I hope you realize that he's basically going "well, it's SAID that he's the strongest, but he's never actually gotten a chance to prove that".
Piccolo in the movie said that Gohan can be the strongest if he cuts loose. This lines ups with Toriyama's statement.
Except Piccolo doesn't yet know the full extent of MUI Goku's power, much less a hypothetical Post-TOP MUI Goku. Nor does he know the full extent of Broly's or Gogeta's power because he never faced either of them or watched that fight unravel (he can't even sense Blue Gogeta's power anyways), so why should we take his word for gauging how powerful Gohan is compared to Goku or any of the other characters mentioned?
He felt Broly's full power If memory serves right and Super Sayain Gogeta at least (who is low 2C). Cell Max also is > Broly by what Toriyama said and goes with DB's theme of the new villains/threats being above the previous ones in terms of power. Cell Max was completed but lacked the program that controlled him which would make him a more compented fighter.
Cell Max was, by all means, not complete. The in-movie dialogue even says that he is still an incomplete creation, so Toriyama's words don't hold that much water in this regards. Besides that, Toriyama himself says IF Cell Max was completed, then Broly wouldn't stand a chance. Keyword: if. Meaning Cell Max was, by Toriyama's own admission, incomplete.
Manga ≠ Anime, so Vegeta's words don't affect the scaling of the movie or the anime whatsoever. Even if it's said that Gohan has the potential to be the strongest character, he has yet to have the appropriate (and agreed upon) scaling to confirm it.
the word toriyama has more value than anyone else's we cell was complete only brain programming was missing
Incomplete he was because of the mind control program... Doesn't affect his power... Without being controlled by the RR he is just a beserk monster.
I suppose if they're outright referring to his mind control program, then sure, Cell Max would physically be above Broly, and then the scaling, yada yada.
Piccolo does have good gauges in power, but we can't just put Gohan above Goku and Vegeta because of a couple of statements that were never outright confirmed on top of the fact that Piccolo doesn't have a full grasp on the characters' peaks, especially because Goku hasn't reactivated UI Sign or MUI after the ToP, and Vegeta hasn't shown off his SSBE form again.
piccolo's aim could feel the power of kefla and as it increased the same type exceeded kaioken 20 and ultra instinct signal
We can literally see him sense him and he also said that Goku is having a hard time. So he could feel him drop in Ki levels
That and he's outright shown sensing Super Saiyan God Goku
Has he?
Yeap. Here is the vid showing him sensing SSG Goku's defeat and talking to him (telepathically I believe)...
That was during Battle of Gods. By the time of DBS Broly, he was able to sense godly ki
