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One-Punch Man CGT: Settling the Topic of Serious Punch²
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That's my point; these are not in the same area. Around the black hole is a massive amount of stars, but not a single galaxy in sight. Murata did not seem to intent for their blast to reach other galaxies.
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The distance between galaxies are technically within thousands of light years as well, but overall I am in the 4A camp.
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GodlyCharmander
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Which would require the hole to reach, and obliterate, said Galaxy, as otherwise it's light source would not be diminished and we would still be able to see said galaxy's light in the hole
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they're fighting in space my guy, one punch man is fiction and even the earth is shaped differently
have you considered the cosmology is just changed up? We should go by what the verse has shown us a bit more, since it is far more unrealistic that the illustator gave enough care to research the exact locations and distances of galaxies, there is no intent shown of them doing something like that
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I'm gonna have to stop you right there.
First, they are fighting close to Earth, if it was real galaxies and not a random background, it would be seen from Earth very clearly so.
Second, it being fiction isn't a counter to a logical problem with accepting that panel at face value. In fact, being a fictional setting would be more of a reason for Murata to go wild and drawn a very visible galaxy in Earth's sky. He doesn't do that, it's most likely a background.
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Just out of curiosity, what tier would it be if that 'hole' stretched all the way to the end of the observable Universe?
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The lack of it being there quite literally just means the camera is pointed away from it. That's it. The earth rotates, camera angles change, we don't have to have seen it before for it to exist. It would be pointless to arbitrarily add a space themed background while they're literally already fighting in space, if he wants an excuse to draw galaxies, those are literally already on garou's design lmao. This is an unreasonable assumption only made because it's inconvenient for your side of the argument
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But, tbf, those galaxies look too large. How close would those even be, lol, and would they even be proper galaxy-sized galaxies?
GodlyCharmander
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Oh, so the dozens of shots of Earth (which takes 24 hours to rotate on it's own axis, if you remember) from a multitude of angles are all just missing an entire galaxy close enough to be in the local group? The sheer luminosity of that thing would be enough to appear in broad day light, yet we haven't seen it once in nearly a decade of serialization. They camera must have missed.
(Also, we have both shots from East to West of Earth, ain't no giant galaxy)
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Basically, I feel like what he's saying is that the OPM verse is such that it has galaxies that are that close and/or galaxies in that quantity and that we should go by what the verse is showing.
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I'm just not seeing this argument honestly, the problem is that it would be unreasonable to assume that murata planned this particular feats dozens and dozens of chapters ago and wanted make the galaxy near earth lining up with the shot to prevent a minor continuity error, instead of just it having been used to show galaxies are visible, which I'm quite sure was also shown in chapter 167, giving more consistency to there being nearby galaxies during the fight instead of it just being "it's a background"
I can see the argument that it's hard to say there was a galaxy in that hole, but galaxies being more consistently drawn as visible makes it easy to justify a "possibly" rating for 3-C, not even a likely, but maybe like a 30% or so chance at worst that the intent was for galaxies to have been destroyed
although something tells me this could get cleared up in an interview, which is why it would be better to have both a 4-A and 3-C calc on the profile, in case it was ever confirmed that no galaxies were in there
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like I said before it's kinda just a bad system to toss out high ends when a feat like this is very ambiguous, because having both would be much better than being here arguing about something that neither of us can actually confirm
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also I quit, you guys can go ahead and make him 4-A
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You cannot pay me to involve myself with this mess before the arc is wrapped up and there's a proper volume release that somehow retcons all of this
(That last part seems unlikely at this point but you never know)
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That's completely fair. I made a CGT similar to this one for Garou's planet bulg feat, then it got redrawn a couple days later.
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hey guys are your eyes broken? there is a clear difference in the appearance how can you say that it is the same, even though it is clear that the views are very different, look at the picture again
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i think the mid end speed is reasonable too, can we go with the mid end for the speed?, it looks good too, and we should be able to take the mid endOkay. My apologies about that then.
It seems like the following calculated low end 4-A and Massively FTL+ values are currently favoured then.
USklaverei/sandboxGarouvsSaitama
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bruh, this fiction is clearly different from our real life, how can we not equate fiction with real life if there is no further explanation about it
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Fair point
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Agree
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It's really weird, we have two perspectives and one is on a higher level than the other. But why should we ignore the thoughts that support the lowball and accept the highball?
It also seems absurd that some of us would scale this distance to the furthest celestial body we can see with the naked eye, and therefore think that the collapsed field could destroy every celestial body it travels along its distance. If we could somehow create an explosion that stretches back to 16000 light years at the direction of Andromeda, all the stars we can saw with the naked eye gets destroyed, but Andromeda could still appear. Now let's imagine that we subtract Andromeda out of that direction. In this case, according to the idea advocating the intergalactic distance, since we cannot see even a galaxy there, it is necessary to argue that the distance is intergalactic, not 16000 light years, because while we can see even galaxies with the naked eye, we cannot see anything in that collapsed direction. This seems so ironic.
Personally, I would like to find at least one galaxy in the collapsed direction as evidence for level 3. Or it could be a statement like "this explosion is at the level that can destroy every celestial body that can be seen with the human eye".
It also seems absurd that some of us would scale this distance to the furthest celestial body we can see with the naked eye, and therefore think that the collapsed field could destroy every celestial body it travels along its distance. If we could somehow create an explosion that stretches back to 16000 light years at the direction of Andromeda, all the stars we can saw with the naked eye gets destroyed, but Andromeda could still appear. Now let's imagine that we subtract Andromeda out of that direction. In this case, according to the idea advocating the intergalactic distance, since we cannot see even a galaxy there, it is necessary to argue that the distance is intergalactic, not 16000 light years, because while we can see even galaxies with the naked eye, we cannot see anything in that collapsed direction. This seems so ironic.
Personally, I would like to find at least one galaxy in the collapsed direction as evidence for level 3. Or it could be a statement like "this explosion is at the level that can destroy every celestial body that can be seen with the human eye".
GodlyCharmander
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The calculations, all of them, assume the explosion destroyed one star at the edge. The stars and galaxies are just used for diameter of the hole, nothing more.
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To run it back, @KLOL506, @Therefir, @Damage3245, @Qawsedf234, and some other non staff members (myself included) are advocating for the 4-A rating used by USa’s calculation.
GodlyCharmander
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Some CGM seem to prefer the 4-A end, as the galaxy distance high end is too speculative, thus, using a star as the distance is safer. I find myself on that side of the argument.
Some members still hold on the argument that the galactic density of the OPM universe is indeed massive, thus, it's possible (50/50) that there were one galaxy obliterated by the attack.
I don't think we have anything definitive as of now, but the tides are pulling towards 4-A calculations.
GodlyCharmander
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Oh, nevermind. 4-A is definitely the conclusion so far.
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Given how there has been at least two threads regarding which ends to use, I don’t think it is needed at this point
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If 4-A is put on the profiles, are we gonna have a tier for over time with accelerated development put on it too?
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Nah, Saitama would have to reach a tier higher than 4-A in-verse for us to list it.
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I already know. What does this have to do with what I said? The purpose of writing this article is already related to the diameter I think should to be taken.
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I don't understand why you tend to use the low time frame in the speed of a serious hit in the square.
The feat appears to be instantaneous and Blast and KO didn't have time to notice that Saitama and Garou, who were supposed to be moving at the same speed as the shockwave, disappeared.
The feat appears to be instantaneous and Blast and KO didn't have time to notice that Saitama and Garou, who were supposed to be moving at the same speed as the shockwave, disappeared.
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https://**********/read/gist/OPM/167/9/ to https://**********/read/gist/OPM/167/10/
Has to been accounted for.
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Dude have you like not seen that one meme where there’s a galaxy after the character is getting shocked by something? Those galaxies are just Garou going Wut inside his own mind after hearing Saitama say he caught up to him by farting. They aren’t actual galaxies.
even if one or two of these aren't galaxies, it's still a pretty clear showing that the galaxy density is much higher than it's believed to be otherwise
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well, due to limiter breaking we know for a fact that he could go to 3-A since accelerated development would just keep going exponentially forever
you know I said that idrc anymore, 4-A can stay
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Of course, but we can only list the tier he actually reached.
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It still will been “Higher” thanks to RPL ability of his, I think, assuming it is RPL anyway.
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well, in vs matches though, he would effectively be allowed to reach 3-A still, I don't seem the harm in having a "up to 3-A with AD" since that's just a potential tier, but he'd still start off as 4-A
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