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This is should works but actually not.
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Garou vs Luffy
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azontr
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Scans.
Future sight.
Luffy deadass just puts up some Buso.
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Once again, projectiles.
Are you insinuating he's immune to all physical attacks?
Lastly whirlwind iron cutting fist doesn't fire air pressure
azontr
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He's immune to most physical attacks lmao.
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Also newtons 3rd law
How is this gonna stop garou from dodging? He can still choose to dodge the ryou and reflect the punch.
Damage would still accumulate.
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Most not all
azontr
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1. That says nothing about vibrations. It just says he times his heartbeat with his attacks, nothing saying he resists his own vibrations.
2. Luffy sees Garou dodging in the future and attacks where he dodges lmfao.
3. Barely.
Most is more than enough here lol.
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Then what? Vibration like Chinjao? Broooo
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There's no way he isn't affected by vibrations released from his own body without either resisting it or his organs being durable enough to resist it.
Garou just dodges again or can reflect his attack and dodge the dura negg. What's the point of FS if you can't keep up? And garou can jump speed tiers in milli seconds.
He's still gonna eat some damage. Its not like he's immune. Add that you the fact that garou's AP is gonna be continuously increasing every milli second.
WrongIdea21
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Adapt
azontr
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Because Garou ain't blitzing nobody after "miliseconds" of fighting. Stop wanking his RE to actual nirvana and then some. Luffy attacks his insides dozens of times, future sight doesn't let Luffy get touched, Luffy's RE went from>blitzed and one-shot by Kaido to >Putting Kaido on his ass and getting KO'D to> Fighting on equal grounds and forcing Kaido to use empowerment, have a haki growth, and use like 4 states of his Shuron Hakke to fight Luffy in LITERAL MINUTES. (Less than 5 going by what Yamato said about Onigashima landing on the capital). His RE is just as busted. They'll cap at the highest 6A and keep getting faster against each other (because again- Luffy's RE also carried his ass from getting blitzed by a bagua with FUTURE SIGHT to moving so fast Thunder Bagua took like 5 panels to occur during his reaction).
You might be shocked to hear this, but fighting Luffy is way harder than fighting the "strongest creature" in his verse.
That's not how that works. Unless it's stated the vibrations have to be supported or sustained (similiar to Sanji saying he has to have that exoskeleton and armament to sustain his fire) then it ain't hurting him. By that logic Luffy's attacking his organs with every Ryuou attack and not even feeling it either because he lets it flow through his body before striking as well. Don't give Garou a feat based off an assumption.
"Garou just dodges again". Brother.
Luffy's FS can read minds, foresee intent, sense emotions, see the LITERAL FUTURE that'll occur based on what you have planned out via your intent alone. Garou's very idea of dodging in a certain direction will be known to Luffy before Garou even does it. That's literally how Katakuri was walking all over Luffy until Luffy started countering it with his own future sight based on emotions/will sensing, knowing exactly how and where Katakuri would attack to avoid the future-sight based interception.
Kenbun counters kenbun. Analytical prediction doesn't. And Luffy doesn't have to "counter" by hitting him, he can just awaken the ground and have Garou's footing look like a penguin's. Grab the ground and FLIP HIM while laughing. He can even dodge Garou and leave the ground awakened to where Garou sinks into it and bounces into the air or off walls, etc, etc..
And so will Luffy. "Milisecond" is a wank. Garou evolves in minutes at best, and so does Luffy. Again- they'll both hit the cap of the tier and just keep getting faster. Once Luffy is in Gear 5 Garou is basically not damaging him anymore because of his increased body control (to the point of breaking apart and remolding, awakening the environment itself to counter, etc).
Garou gets his innards consistently obliterated and his regen negged. Every RE will have Luffy's RE respond, and Luffy's got a HAKI BLOOM STACK on top of that which'll give him two layers of RE.
Not even his skill is carrying him out of this. Luffy with basic fighting knowledge can adapt to Rokushiki so fast it's actually ridiculous, he even steals their technique for kicks while at it.
Garou's skill and RE isn't carrying him this fight. Luffy's too versatile in comparaison, has ridiculous RE with two layers, is CONSTANTLY coated in Busoshoku and Haoshoku in Gear 5.
Even if Garou kills him once
Luffy ressurects stronger, faster, with FULL STAMINA which he can literally restore another time when he starts getting tired again via the drums of liberation, greater body control, basically environmental dominance, greater durability, even greater damage absorption to the point where he can tank slashes that upscale from 6A and only get basic cuts on him--- which he can regenerate anyway since he's a mythical Zoan.
Luffy's basically bodying Garou more times than Garou's bodying Luffy.
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But he actually did blitz someone after milliseconds of fighting lmao. Maybe read the manga before making stupid claims like "I'm wanking" thank you. Garou has went from being blitzed to blitzing in way more absurd timeframes. Like, literally seconds or less.
Don't compare Luffy's RE to Garou's. You destroyed your own argument the moment you brought up "Minutes"
His RE is nowhere near Garou's LOL.
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These people who keep insisting that Garou can adapt and raise his AP and shit don't realize that having even planet level AP won't do shit because physical attacks can't hurt him. Any attack would either do nothing or just send him flying ( neither do anything unless you want to send him flying into something sharp )
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I'm not arguing AP, I'm arguing speed.
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I meant Tatsumi's statement
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Because those were miliseconds of actual fighting. He didn't get hit once and suddenly gow to blitz and one shot. Those miliseconds were basically "normal time" for Garou, Flashy Flash and PS.
And?? Luffy's fight with Kaido felt like damn hours with the sheer amount of things that were going on and it was all less than 5 minutes. "Miliseconds" or minutes are entirely dependant on what occurs in said timeframe. If Luffy and Garou fight at their own pace, they're BOTH getting the benefits via RE. The only reason the "miliseconds" logic exists is because the fight in real time was that fast while they had 2 different battles in that timeframe.
With Luffy and Garou's speeds you can argue they'll do the same, only Luffy's RE is going to be working the whole while through as well.
So am I. Luffy without FS or even Kenbun can react to FTE characters.
With Kenbun his reactions are even HIGHER. Between Round 2 and Round 3 he went from getting blitzed by Ragnaraku to intercepting thunder bagua and kicking Kaido before Kaido's Bagua was even done. They'll both continue getting fasterand cap at the highest possible value for their tier, then it comes down to "Can Garou beat Luffy with equal stats."
And the answer's no. One has a limit. The other's got a ridiculously higher limit. Garou has RE, cutting (via WICF) and skill advantage. Luffy has layered precog, enhanced reactions even without layered precog, regen negging, dura neg obliteration, can reset his stamina and even ressurect stronger, barrier creation both at a close and long range, blitz amps upon amps with G2, Boudnman, Snakeman's Hydra and Soru.
This "Garou can RE" shit is getting memed for a reason.
He's not going to evolve with his organs being blown away, without his regen being ALLOWED to fix him for RE to even matter, or without Luffy's layered RE catching up while Luffy's at a nigh-constant stamina advantage and regeneration that Garou can't even negate to begin with.
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Let's argue speed.
Garou was FTL after he woke up. Started off nigh-equal to FF/PS , then continued getting faster. Let's say at the very absolute least he was as fast as FF's only available speed calc of 0.55. He went from that to 4x ftl with the constellation feat.
Luffy went from being slower than an attack twice as fast as Garou's constellation feat WITH FUTURE SIGHT, an advanced superior form of Luffy's Kenbun before Katakuri, to moving so fast that exact same attack looked like it was in slow-mo, FROM A FAR FASTER Kaido, WITHOUT using precognition, in less than 5 minutes.
And it's only THAT LONG of a duration because he couldn't get back to the island in time. You can take the 5 minutes count entirely out because most of it was Luffy being away from the fight because of Momonosuke being too scared to fly him up there.
Luffy's RE speed hop is arguably superior to Garou's, and that's not even counting the two faster gears or his precognition. You're too impressed by Murata drawing fancy lights.
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WrongIdea21
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Most votes can be canceled if Argument Phoenks have made can counter Luffy's wincon with RE Garou.
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False equivalence. Unless a character is a literal glass canon we scale their durability to their AP based on newtons 3rd law. Ryou is in no way any kind of conventional force, vibrations and shockwaves on the other hand are and are first of all propagated in garou's body
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I have not seen new arguments that i havent seen already. If they have a contention then they can make a new thread. Stalling for no reason when people are already tired of this thread isnt fair.
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WrongIdea21
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Again y'all ignore me.
Vibration didn't works on Luffy's body, but Shockwave is works.
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If it's vibrations then Luffy's busoshoku tanks Hasshoken, which is based on vibrations that ignore durability and nail your shit inside out.
If that's Garou's best dura neg, then Luffy literally negates it with busoshoku.
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Garou's RE evolved so hard he's dragging this debate out
He's built different
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ong now who finna take initiative (and the heat from OPM supporters) and put the W on Luffy’s profile
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Garou has never adapted to gain enough speed to blitz someone with layered Precognition that'll only continue to grow.
Garou gets faster? Luffy's Kenbunshoku evolves and gets better.
Also no, Garou's shockwaves don't effect himself at all so his organs aren't durable especially going by his own words.
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Today's a good day for Garou bullying.
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You guys are just proclaiming the fact that you know nothing about OPM.
Bang is only MHS+, garou went from fighting bang on almost equal footing to matching FF (0.55c) and PS when they made the first constellation. He only blitzed a few fodders (They're fodders relative to him at this point) before proceeding to fight FF and PS.
He basically grew from MHS+ to rel+ in the few seconds it took him to wake up after fighting silver fang. He effortlessly matches FF (0.55c) then evolves to perform the (4.33c) feat in only 13 milli seconds.
I can't believe y'all have the nerve to say luffy's RE is equal to garou's or to even say this is wank when the facts are all there.
Talking about AP, this man actually jumped from 6C to 6A to 5C all in the space of a few minutes.
I have literally nothing to say yo this downplay anymore
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That's not a false equivalence at all so I'd suggest you learn to use that term properly. Secondly, no again you'd actually be wrong here. Newton's Third Law doesn't scale the organs of characters go AP, we've never scaled organs to the AP or durability of a character unless they're specifically stated to have durable organs.
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This isn't AP though it's dura negg
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Which doesn't change my argument, if anything it goes against your own argument. You brought up Newton's Third Law which isn't even applicable to Durability Negation, and given the fact that Garou literally stated that organs in OPM (barring Saitama.) are incapable of increasing in Durability regardless of strength.
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Also Luffy's RE isn't as good as Garou's is, I will say that but the implications of indefinite growth for Garou in vs matches is ******* stupid and wanked to hell. He can't continue to get faster and faster and faster, eventually he'll reach a cap.
Shit Saitama is currently slapping around Garou in his strongest form with one arm, yet his evolution didn't allow him to become stronger or faster than Saitama whenever Saitama isn't tiers above Garou. And he can't dodge everything either, People without precognition and people who are much less skilled than Garou have hit him in the past.
Shit Saitama is currently slapping around Garou in his strongest form with one arm, yet his evolution didn't allow him to become stronger or faster than Saitama whenever Saitama isn't tiers above Garou. And he can't dodge everything either, People without precognition and people who are much less skilled than Garou have hit him in the past.
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"after he woke up" not after he fought bang. After he was CONSCIOUS as a half-monster. Garou was weakened the whole time because he was fighting Bang without any of his own consciousness to it. Garou always gets STRONGER after he awakens.
When he was fighting Darkshine unconscious, he did worse than when he woke up. When he was fighting Bang "unconscious", he was weaker than when he woke up.
AFTER he was awake Garou basically stopped being nerfed. Not every instance of getting stronger is "look it's RE", there's a difference between being unconscious and being conscious and knowing what you're doing. That much is made very clear for Garou as well.
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How does Garou, the fist fighter, hurt Luffy with physical blows?
"He evolves"
How do his shockwaves effect Luffy when Luffy's haki negates internal vibration shockwaves from Hasshoken?
"He evolves"
How does Garou evolve fast enough to go through several layers of precognition AND future sight?
"He evolves"
How does Garou's cutting effect Luffy enough when his physical dura>6A slashes and busoshoku stack is even greater?
"He evolves"
What does Garou do if he's hit by constant regeneration negating attacks that destroy his insides?
"He evolves"
How does he capitalize on his evolving if he can't even move because of missing organs, several injuries and exhaustion while his opponent also continues to grow, regenerate AND restore his stamina with a laugh
"He continues evolving"
Trust me bro
He evolves
"He evolves"
How do his shockwaves effect Luffy when Luffy's haki negates internal vibration shockwaves from Hasshoken?
"He evolves"
How does Garou evolve fast enough to go through several layers of precognition AND future sight?
"He evolves"
How does Garou's cutting effect Luffy enough when his physical dura>6A slashes and busoshoku stack is even greater?
"He evolves"
What does Garou do if he's hit by constant regeneration negating attacks that destroy his insides?
"He evolves"
How does he capitalize on his evolving if he can't even move because of missing organs, several injuries and exhaustion while his opponent also continues to grow, regenerate AND restore his stamina with a laugh
"He continues evolving"
Trust me bro
He evolves
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